Speculation: Marner blocked a trade to Carolina for Rantanen

[Tie Domi Esquire]

If Dubas wasn’t a worthless, garbage GM, he would habe stiff armed both of them and made them either sit or sign. Instead, he did it to Willy - and it worked in that case.

As soon as Paul Marner opened his mouth, Dubas should have punished mitch. He had all the power to set an example and build the culture of the team but not only did he cave but he caved in the worst way. All the cards were in his corner and he still signed that joke of a deal.

Dubas ruined all chances of the leafs ever wjnning. Not in salary cap hockey. Now watch them resign Marner for 14m, lose more depth then rince and repeat.

He didn't do it to Nylander. They signed Nylander to the exact contract he wanted (more than all of his comparables, including players that were better than him). The cap hit was low because the deal was signed 5 minutes before the deadline. In year 1 of the deal (the final year of Matthews and Marner's ELCs) his cap hit was 10.28 million. The Leafs folded, Dumbass even admitted it.

They followed it up by handing Matthews that garbage contract.

Eichel: 10x8
McDavid: 12.5x8
Matthews: 11.634x5

No public negotiations, no media warfare. Just one random day they announced it. And now with McDavid and Eichel still on their old deals, Matthews is somehow the highest paid player in the league. But it doesn't stop there, when McDavid signs his next deal making him the highest paid player in the league, guess who needs another extension making him #1 again?

What type of deal is Marner expected to sign after they folded on Nylander, and then just gifted Matthews that joke of an overpayment? Nobody else thought about the team, not even the management. They even gave players away to make room. But now Marner's the bad guy for not being a team guy. They're all going to the bank and sleeping well at night as they lose to underdogs, zamboni drivers, and get blown out in pivotal playoff games at home on Hockey Night in Canada after Bob Cole's death.

 

[General Fanager]

Mitch the bitch f***ing over the Leafs for hopefully the 2nd last time.. disappears in the playoffs again then he can GTFO July 1

Why is it his job to help out The Leafs?

The way I see it The Leafs screwed themselves at least twice concerning Marner. When Dubas said anything was on the table and they fired him that was a mistake. Not the firing Dubas part but being unwilling to make a change to the big 4. Then they sat on their hands while his full no move kicked in. They messed up bad and now guys like you are here blaming Marner. There is zero way being traded to Carolina makes sense for him. This mess is not his fault in the least.

 

[General Fanager]

you know exactly what I mean, unless you completely missed the deadline.

Oh you mean Carlo? yea that was one game who cares.

I just meant that if Marner leaves there will be tons of cap space to play with. There can always be improvements to any team.

 

[John Mandalorian]

It doesn't feel like he's going to leave

It feels like he's going to leverage UFA and potentially a strong playoff run to bleed us dry. He doesn't want to leave, he wants to cash out in Toronto

Rantanen signing yesterday was the best case scenario for Mitch, there's no one competing with him for top dog on the market come July 1. Teams will throw themselves at Marner and he will use that to get 13+

Not necessarily. The optics of a superior player in Rantanen getting traded twice gives Toronto license to move on.

 

[Legion34]

Why is it his job to help out The Leafs?

The way I see it The Leafs screwed themselves at least twice concerning Marner. When Dubas said anything was on the table and they fired him that was a mistake. Not the firing Dubas part but being unwilling to make a change to the big 4. Then they sat on their hands while his full no move kicked in. They messed up bad and now guys like you are here blaming Marner. There is zero way being traded to Carolina makes sense for him. This mess is not his fault in the least.

No. He has invoked his NMC for a year. He reportedly has refused to negotiate and has not been receptive to big offers.

Ok. If he doesn’t want to be here. Find out where he wants to go and move him there.

It doesn’t have to be Carolina. Sure fine. Agreed. But he’s not retiring so he clearly wants to go somewhere right? If it’s not Toronto then where

Vegas? Ok try to get one of Hague/whitecloud and a C. Spend the 1 1 Minten elsewhere

Does he want LA ok we take Clarke and a winger.

If he wants to sign then sign. If he doesn’t then move on. He has been here 9 years.

 

[Coffee]

Marner to the Oilers this offseason now

Give them Hyman back if you’re planning to pull something like that

 

[John Mandalorian]

Give them Hyman back if you’re planning to pull something like that

If I’m an Oilers fan, I’d rather keep Hyman.

 

[Coffee]

If I’m an Oilers fan

One day..

 

[Rafafouille]

Yea... awesome team guy and "leader'. Other players talk about want to leave money on the table to win. Meanwhile Marner, for the 2nd time, is doing every single thing he can to try and get overpaid. He's already been significantly overpaid and didn't live up to that contract.

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If you guys are dumb enough to let him hit UFA I'm definitely rooting for him to sign at 13m in Montreal. He's absolutely elite.

 

[Legion34]

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If you guys are dumb enough to let him hit UFA I'm definitely rooting for him to sign at 13m in Montreal. He's absolutely elite.

I love how Marner was one of the most hated players here for a decade. Now he is going to be a superstar

 

[snipes]

Give them Hyman back if you’re planning to pull something like that

He’s a UFA this offseason

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

LOL no he wont. Guy will get cooked by MTL fans and media. Good luck with that.

Why?

As it is right now with our first line, he'd get 2nd line QoC probably playing with Demidov next season. You compare that to what we've endured with lame Dach, newhook, and a Patrik Laine who plays at HFserver speed, and I think it would take quite some time before he gets any flack from the majority, including the media. Montreal sports media is highly self-serving, but are desperate for the Habs to regain relevance, so I'm guessing they'd also spare him for quite some time. It's not like he'd be coming in as a saviour either.

 

[Coffee]

He’s a UFA this offseason

Fine, sign him.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

How much you willing to pay lol

Habs will have much cap space, now and for some time. Big useless contracts coming off each year for the next 3 years, with strong prospects coming in to replace them.

This summer, we have Dvorak, Armia, Savard for 11.35mil coming off the books, plus 4.3mil in salary retention, plus the cap increase. We have Demidov, Reinbacher and probably Kapanen who will be added at discount prices of ELCs.

July 26, we have Price and Laine coming off the books. We're at 89mil full cap right now if we include Price's contracts. So that's 19.2 mil, plus the cap increase. Enough to carry Hutson's and Demidov's future increases, and more.

In July 27, there's Anderson and Gallagher coming off the books, for 12mil, plus the cap increase. Might also have Dach also coming off/getting traded (3.35m).

That's 49 mil without the cap growth, which itself is projected to be 25mil total in the next 3 years. It's almost impossible the Habs won't be major players at some point on the FA market, even after paying players like Demidov and Hutson.

 

[Divine]

Glad to see the Leafs are open to trading him.

Their team would be a lot more balanced spreading his cap hit out. Let someone else have him and I hope he milks that team for 14M+.

 

[Divine]

Habs will have much cap space, now and for some time. Big useless contracts coming off each year for the next 3 years, with strong prospects coming in to replace them.

This summer, we have Dvorak, Armia, Savard for 11.35mil coming off the books, plus 4.3mil in salary retention, plus the cap increase. We have Demidov, Reinbacher and probably Kapanen who will be added at discount prices of ELCs.

July 26, we have Price and Laine coming off the books. We're at 89mil full cap right now if we include Price's contracts. So that's 19.2 mil, plus the cap increase. Enough to carry Hutson's and Demidov's future increases, and more.

In July 27, there's Anderson and Gallagher coming off the books, for 12mil, plus the cap increase. Might also have Dach also coming off/getting traded (3.35m).

That's 49 mil without the cap growth, which itself is projected to be 25mil total in the next 3 years. It's almost impossible the Habs won't be major players at some point on the FA market, even after paying players like Demidov and Hutson.

Highly doubt Marner is joining the Habs for any less than 20% of the cap on a 7 year deal. If you're willing to pay him that, he's yours.

If he's going to UFA, he's chasing 14M+as he's losing the 8th year the Leafs can offer. If he can't get that, he's going to the most competitive team that will pay the most is and going to sell the idea that he wants to win.

If you want him to both forgo the 8th year of his deal AND sign with a non-playoff team, you're talking 20% of the cap. Plus all the negatives in Toronto are even worse in Montreal - arguably even more media attention, he'll be cricized for not speaking French, and if they happen to make the playoffs and he disappears like he usually does - he'll have it way worse in Montreal than he had in Toronto. He's greedy though, so 20% of the cap at max term and he can overlook all of that.

 

[General Fanager]

Yea... awesome team guy and "leader'. Other players talk about want to leave money on the table to win. Meanwhile Marner, for the 2nd time, is doing every single thing he can to try and get overpaid. He's already been significantly overpaid and didn't live up to that contract.

The other guys in the big 4 did not take less so why should Marner?

No. He has invoked his NMC for a year. He reportedly has refused to negotiate and has not been receptive to big offers.

Ok. If he doesn’t want to be here. Find out where he wants to go and move him there.

It doesn’t have to be Carolina. Sure fine. Agreed. But he’s not retiring so he clearly wants to go somewhere right? If it’s not Toronto then where

Vegas? Ok try to get one of Hague/whitecloud and a C. Spend the 1 1 Minten elsewhere

Does he want LA ok we take Clarke and a winger.

If he wants to sign then sign. If he doesn’t then move on. He has been here 9 years.

Thanks you made my point for me. They fired the one guy who said change was possible, then they let his no move kick in. Leaf fans are upset and need someone to blame but you should blame Shanny not Marner. Its not Marners job to fix The Leafs manegments mistakes...

 

[Jive Pawnbroker]

Is that trade the first thing he's blocked all season?

 

[General Fanager]

Glad to see the Leafs are open to trading him.

Their team would be a lot more balanced spreading his cap hit out. Let someone else have him and I hope he milks that team for 14M+.

Its too late. If the plan for him is to sign elsewhere the best The Leafs can hope for is someone makes a small trade for his rights before July 1st so they can get the 8th year on his deal. Even then The Leafs won't get much value for him.

Highly doubt Marner is joining the Habs for any less than 20% of the cap on a 7 year deal. If you're willing to pay him that, he's yours.

He wants a fair deal, I have read nothing that shows he want anywhere near that.

 

[Legion34]

The other guys in the big 4 did not take less so why should Marner?




Thanks you made my point for me. They fired the one guy who said change was possible, then they let his no move kick in. Leaf fans are upset and need someone to blame but you should blame Shanny not Marner. Its not Marners job to fix The Leafs manegments mistakes...

1.) you could make the argument that he could take less because he didn’t really live up to his contract.
Willy was a 40 goal 80pt plater for 7. Marner was a 30 goal 95 pt player for 11

Matthews won the hart 3 rockets and is a top 7 all time goal scorer by 27 despite injuries/covid years and starting at 19.

2.) the point is the lack of logic. If Marner wants to leave then why force the team to keep you? He could have picked his market in the summer got his 8 years, had time to settle in, start his family.

I get not wanting to just move to Carolina today with a pregnant wife.
Makes zero sense to start a family, risk injury, lose 12-13 million gauranteed and have a baby in a new country. Have to find doctors etc.

 

[benfranklin]

It doesn't feel like he's going to leave

It feels like he's going to leverage UFA and potentially a strong playoff run to bleed us dry. He doesn't want to leave, he wants to cash out in Toronto

Rantanen signing yesterday was the best case scenario for Mitch, there's no one competing with him for top dog on the market come July 1. Teams will throw themselves at Marner and he will use that to get 13+

Yup we knew $12 was the minimum and now it really is.

 

[Divine]

Its too late. If the plan for him is to sign elsewhere the best The Leafs can hope for is someone makes a small trade for his rights before July 1st so they can get the 8th year on his deal. Even then The Leafs won't get much value for him.



He wants a fair deal, I have read nothing that shows he want anywhere near that.

The Leafs don't need a return for him to use his cap space. Walking away from Marner could be a net benefit. They were never going to be able to trade him after Dubas gave him that full NMC at the end of his deal.

He wants a fair deal from Toronto not from Montreal. I'm not saying he wants 20% of the cap from Toronto, but that'd no doubt be his ask to sign in Montreal and lose a year on his contract. You aren't getting him on a 'fair deal' on a rebuilding team with all the hype and scrutiny of Toronto (arguably more + French) just to sign in Montreal.

I can see him taking less of the cap to sign in LA, Anaheim, some US team where he can live in privacy. Not Montreal.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Highly doubt Marner is joining the Habs for any less than 20% of the cap on a 7 year deal. If you're willing to pay him that, he's yours.

He's a Quartexx client iirc. And would be dealing with Hughes (Quartexx co-founder) who's really great at negociations. If Marner is willing, he won't come at 20% of the cap. Would be a great middle finger to the team that was willing to trade him.

 

[Divine]

He's a Quartexx client iirc. And would be dealing with Hughes (Quartexx co-founder) who's really great at negociations. If Marner is willing, he won't come at 20% of the cap. Would be a great middle finger to the team that was willing to trade him.

He's not leaving Toronto for Montreal and giving up an 8th year to go to Montreal unless they make him the highest paid player in the league.

Another team maybe, definitely not Montreal. He wants to get out of the limelight, not into French tabloids on top of English.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

1.) you could make the argument that he could take less because he didn’t really live up to his contract.
Willy was a 40 goal 80pt plater for 7. Marner was a 30 goal 95 pt player for 11

Matthews won the hart 3 rockets and is a top 7 all time goal scorer by 27 despite injuries/covid years and starting at 19.

2.) the point is the lack of logic. If Marner wants to leave then why force the team to keep you? He could have picked his market in the summer got his 8 years, had time to settle in, start his family.

I get not wanting to just move to Carolina today with a pregnant wife.
Makes zero sense to start a family, risk injury, lose 12-13 million gauranteed and have a baby in a new country. Have to find doctors etc.

Carolina might've asked for it to be sign and trade only.