Earn this last contract first before we talk about almost another 2 million on top
Yes he is game 4-7 he is when you play with the top 3 player in the game there’s no excuse to disappear when your team needs you the most everyone shares that blame but the stats speak for themselves
He's made some bad plays, and he, like the rest, haven't accomplished anything, but he's also been our active playoff points leader since 2018. He has 47 pts in 50 GP. The stats do speak
f*** points look in what game he gets them if you read what I said you wouldn’t even pass that comment off as a dignified response look at his game 4 -7 stats since he’s started playing with matthews and you tell me what you just said again from your chest
He has 20Pts in 27GP for games 4-7 (I counted games 3-5 in the shortened Columbus season)
Posters like to shit o marner playoffs 4-7 but give Willy matthews and Tavares a pass. We are paying matthews to step up and he doesn’t either
I don’t think it’s unwarranted just like nylander took 11.5 eyes will be on him only difference is he’s made 11.5 as a ufa In his prime the offersheet and playing overseas shenanigans doesn’t help you want a top 3 player as a comparable fine he got it but 2 top 3 players look a lot better than that tbh he makes no difference on mattys line in the past but here’s to him changing the narrative
He is though. Marner scores at a career ~30 goal pace in the regular season, yet his goal scoring cuts in half in the playoffs. Against Columbus and Montreal he had 0 goals in back-to-back playoffs. His production in the second half of series (i.e. elimination games) is also putrid and falls off a cliff. In general, his game gets impacted the most between regular season vs playoffs, as teams play much tighter and there is less time and space to do things, plus the increased physicality which seems to rattle him. This is also while getting top ice time and being glued to Matthews' hip.
What makes you think Marner is the only one who gets blame? Not true at all.
Again, nobody is getting a pass. If you don't think Matthews, Willy and JT are getting passes you've somehow managed to miss a great many posts. What, you think you're only one that's mentioned Willy not hitting people?
Good summary!He is though. Marner scores at a career ~30 goal pace in the regular season, yet his goal scoring cuts in half in the playoffs. Against Columbus and Montreal he had 0 goals in back-to-back playoffs. His production in the second half of series (i.e. elimination games) is also putrid and falls off a cliff. In general, his game gets impacted the most between regular season vs playoffs, as teams play much tighter and there is less time and space to do things, plus the increased physicality which seems to rattle him.
This is even proven through data:
Why Maple Leafs fell short again and what to do with Matthews, Marner
So another disappointing end to a Maple Leafs season comes with huge off-season questions. Justin Bourne looks at exactly why this year's group fell short again, and explores what it should mean for Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner, and more.www.sportsnet.ca
Marner's shot distance suffers the most as he falls more to the perimeter vs the others.
On top of this, his stat line also gets boosted because he racks up points in early series blowout / high scoring games. In 2022, he had 8 pts in 7 games against Tampa, but 3 of those came in a 5-0 win in game 1, and in games 3-7 he only had 3 assists total. In 2023, he had 14 pts in 11 games, but 6 of those (including 2 of his 3 total goals) came in games 1 and 2 against Tampa where we lost 7-3 and won 7-2, and he had 1 goal and 7 assists in his remaining 9 games.
The others have been disappointing too, but it's the most painful for him IMO.
It also comes with the territory when you have a contract negotiation like he did. He wanted to get paid big bucks and got basically $11M/yr when he didn't deserve it...what did he think was gonna happen lol? He was gonna catch that smoke. No shit people are less upset with Willy when he was making $4M less and leads the team in playoff goals since 2020, while also performing better in elimination games.
It's really just a few for whatever reason. The vast majority of fans look at things a little more sensibly and realize the entire team needs to be better.
The goals are certainly his most damning stat.He is though. Marner scores at a career ~30 goal pace in the regular season, yet his goal scoring cuts in half in the playoffs. Against Columbus and Montreal he had 0 goals in back-to-back playoffs. His production in the second half of series (i.e. elimination games) is also putrid and falls off a cliff. In general, his game gets impacted the most between regular season vs playoffs, as teams play much tighter and there is less time and space to do things, plus the increased physicality which seems to rattle him. This is also while getting top ice time and being glued to Matthews' hip.
This is even proven through data:
Why Maple Leafs fell short again and what to do with Matthews, Marner
So another disappointing end to a Maple Leafs season comes with huge off-season questions. Justin Bourne looks at exactly why this year's group fell short again, and explores what it should mean for Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner, and more.
Marner's shot distance suffers the most as he falls more to the perimeter vs the others.
On top of this, his stat line also gets boosted because he racks up points in early series blowout / high scoring games. In 2022, he had 8 pts in 7 games against Tampa, but 3 of those came in a 5-0 win in game 1, and in games 3-7 he only had 3 assists total. In 2023, he had 14 pts in 11 games, but 6 of those (including 2 of his 3 total goals) came in games 1 and 2 against Tampa where we lost 7-3 and won 7-2, and he had 1 goal and 7 assists in his remaining 9 games.
The others have been disappointing too, but it's the most painful for him IMO.
Agreed, Matthews has been pure dogshit when it matters in the playoffs, yet somehow Mitch gets all the blame. It's fair comment, but to focus on him while ignoring 34 just highlights who the bullshit agenda posters are. As for Bill, he's been decent in the playoffs, not the stud argued here by some. Recall say the TB game when he was garbage, we were down 5-0, game was over he pots 2 late nothing goals. Context matters.
Last two years, first 3 games of each series (9 games total):
I find they have all had their share of being good, but never collectively.
And played with the second or third best player in the world while your comparing a 10.9 mil assistant captain to a 6.9 second tier player are you serious? Nylanders 11.5 doesn’t kicc in til next year technically but I’m watching him this year and expecting him to be held to the same as the other 11 mil players it’s not harping on Mitch we already know jts a mistake But you fuccin wet the bed against Montreal too disappear like your being paid for results that’s through out the playoffs n if I remember he disappeared for the whole florida series
That’s the point these use stats in general which mitch will look good he gets em in bunches you need to focus on when the issue lies
Agreed, the team has to step up, they're a big part of that, but I prefer "they" as opposed to "him" because it isn't one guy that's the reason we keep coming up short. Marner disappointed me a lot last playoffs, you won't find one post of me defending him last summer, because he didn't deserve it. Also true 34 didn't do squat, he roamed around waiting for someone else to spark the team, it was maddening to watch. Also, teams don't focus on Nylander in the playoffs, he gets easier match ups, the game plan is stop M and M, simple stats don't quite tell the whole story, it's a lazy narrative, matchups matter too, you should feast.
Putting aside the 37M+ which would then be dedicated to that trio of forwards, I might have anticipated something worse than this (potentially aside from the "minimum").
I'm curious - can you show us even one post where someone has said that Marner alone is to blame for our playoff failures? I mean if it's true like you say that he gets all the blame, there should be hundreds, if not thousands of posts saying this so it should be super easy to find just one.
Again, who ever said it's "one guy"? Show us where someone has said that it's all Marner's fault. Put up, or shut up.
