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The Athletic (Scott Wheeler) ranks the Leafs prospect pool 28th in his latest rankings.

1. Cowan (projects as a top 9 forward)
2. Minten (projects as a 4th line C)
3. Danford (projects as a 3rd pair dman)
4. Akhtyamov (solid NHL goalie)
5. Hildeby (possible #2 or good organizational depth goalie)
6. Grebenkin (bottom 6 winger)
7. Niemela (5-8 D somewhere else)
8. Chadwick (7-8 D with possible upside)
9. Holinka (might play some NHL games)
10. Villeneuve (possible call up option one day)
11. Tverberg
12. Quillan
13. Johansson
14. Moldenhauer
15. Miller
 
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ChazzMichaelMichaels said:
The Athletic (Scott Wheeler) ranks the Leafs prospect pool 28th in his latest rankings.

1. Cowan (projects as a top 9 forward)
2. Minten (projects as a 4th line C)
3. Danford (projects as a 3rd pair dman)
4. Akhtyamov (solid NHL goalie)
5. Hildeby (possible #2 or good organizational depth goalie)
6. Grebenkin (bottom 6 winger)
7. Niemela (5-8 D somewhere else)
8. Chadwick (7-8 D with possible upside)
9. Holinka (might play some NHL games)
10. Villeneuve (possible call up option one day)
11. Tverberg
12. Quillan
13. Johansson
14. Moldenhauer
15. Miller
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Oof. In his opinion, not much upside.
 
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ChazzMichaelMichaels said:
The Athletic (Scott Wheeler) ranks the Leafs prospect pool 28th in his latest rankings.

1. Cowan (projects as a top 9 forward)
2. Minten (projects as a 4th line C)
3. Danford (projects as a 3rd pair dman)
4. Akhtyamov (solid NHL goalie)
5. Hildeby (possible #2 or good organizational depth goalie)
6. Grebenkin (bottom 6 winger)
7. Niemela (5-8 D somewhere else)
8. Chadwick (7-8 D with possible upside)
9. Holinka (might play some NHL games)
10. Villeneuve (possible call up option one day)
11. Tverberg
12. Quillan
13. Johansson
14. Moldenhauer
15. Miller
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Is it just me.or do these ratings seem low.

All of Cowan, Minten, and Danford appear to be undervaluations. Even Hildeby as a possible #2 comes across as pessimistic. The rest of the chumps listed here are hardly consequential so not worth getting worked up over.

But I'd like to think the blue chips have more upside.

Why draft a guy in the first round if he only projects as a bottom pair defenseman or fourth line centre. Those types of players are available in free agency every year. The whole point of drafting is to be able to beat the market.

Don't waste a valuable pick on a player who has high probabilty to make the NHL in some capacity but limited upside.

That's why seeing these projections has me kinda confused. In particular I thought Cowan had first line potential. Classifying hom as a top 9 forward really takes the shine away from what he has accomplished since being drafted.

I already have him pencilled in as Marner's replacement next year.
 
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TMLBlueandWhite said:
Is it just me.or do these ratings seem low.

All of Cowan, Minten, and Danford appear to be undervaluations. Even Hildeby as a possible #2 comes across as pessimistic. The rest of the chumps listed here are hardly consequential so not worth getting worked up over.

But I'd like to think the blue chips have more upside.

Why draft a guy in the first round if he only projects as a bottom pair defenseman or fourth line centre. Those types of players are available in free agency every year. The whole point of drafting is to be able to beat the market.

Don't waste a valuable pick on a player who has high probabilty to make the NHL in some capacity but limited upside.

That's why seeing these projections has me kinda confused. In particular I thought Cowan had first line potential. Classifying hom as a top 9 forward really takes the shine away from what he has accomplished since being drafted.

I already have him pencilled in as Marner's replacement next year.
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I really don't care what someone ranks our prospects at. Some highly ranked prospects bust, some lowly ranked ones end up surprising. Any of these guys could become better than we expect, or worse... and part of the fun is cheering them and their development on. If you've been a fan long enough, you've seen your share of promising guys amount to nothing, and a few nothing guys become useful. What some media guy thinks of them, has no bearing on what they become for us..
 
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ChazzMichaelMichaels said:
The Athletic (Scott Wheeler) ranks the Leafs prospect pool 28th in his latest rankings.

1. Cowan (projects as a top 9 forward)
2. Minten (projects as a 4th line C)
3. Danford (projects as a 3rd pair dman)
4. Akhtyamov (solid NHL goalie)
5. Hildeby (possible #2 or good organizational depth goalie)
6. Grebenkin (bottom 6 winger)
7. Niemela (5-8 D somewhere else)
8. Chadwick (7-8 D with possible upside)
9. Holinka (might play some NHL games)
10. Villeneuve (possible call up option one day)
11. Tverberg
12. Quillan
13. Johansson
14. Moldenhauer
15. Miller
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Could be correct, but almost anyone here could have those same projections.
Way too soon ... have an 18 and 22 year old on the same list kind of loses perspective on development.
 
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TMLBlueandWhite said:
Is it just me.or do these ratings seem low.

All of Cowan, Minten, and Danford appear to be undervaluations. Even Hildeby as a possible #2 comes across as pessimistic. The rest of the chumps listed here are hardly consequential so not worth getting worked up over.

But I'd like to think the blue chips have more upside.

Why draft a guy in the first round if he only projects as a bottom pair defenseman or fourth line centre. Those types of players are available in free agency every year. The whole point of drafting is to be able to beat the market.

Don't waste a valuable pick on a player who has high probabilty to make the NHL in some capacity but limited upside.

That's why seeing these projections has me kinda confused. In particular I thought Cowan had first line potential. Classifying hom as a top 9 forward really takes the shine away from what he has accomplished since being drafted.

I already have him pencilled in as Marner's replacement next year.
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They're not low at all, they're perfectly reasonable "most likely outcome" predictions, and if you have Cowan penciled in as Marner's replacement next season I don't know what to tell you. His junior resume is not so impressive that he's a guaranteed top line forward.

The top 7 prospects all have projections of "NHL player" and the rest have a chance, maybe. What's wrong with that? Some will make it, some will bust. I mean look at one of his lists from 2018:

1. Rasmus Sandin, LHD, 18 (Toronto Marlies)
2. Timothy Liljegren, RHD, 19 (Toronto Marlies)
3. Carl Grundstrom, LW, 20 (Toronto Marlies)
4. Jeremy Bracco, RW, 21 (Toronto Marlies)
5. Sean Durzi, RHD, 20 (Owen Sound Attack)
6. Pierre Engvall, RW/LW, 22 (Toronto Marlies)
7. Yegor Korshkov, RW, 22 (Lokomotiv Yaroslavl)
8. Mac Hollowell, RHD, 20 (Sault Ste. Greyhounds)
9. Filip Kral, LHD, 19 (Spokane Chiefs)
10. Semyon Der-Arguchintsev, C, 18 (Peterborough Petes)
11. Joseph Woll, G, 20 (Boston College)
12. Ian Scott, G, 19 (Prince Albert Raiders)
13. Adam Brooks, C, 22 (Toronto Marlies)
14. Eemeli Rasanen, RHD, 19 (Jokerit)
15. Pontus Holmberg, LW/C, 19 (Växjö Lakers HC)

Prospects #4, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14 are all busts - that's 8/15. Of the remaining 7, Sandin is now a top 4D but certainly didn't make it with us, Liljegren is still a question mark, Durzi's a top 4D (again with another team), Grundstrom is an okay bottom 6 forward, Engvall is waiver fodder and Holmberg is likely to be soon too, and Woll's a good goalie albeit injury-prone. So 7 are NHLers right now but 2-3 are on the bubble depending on your opinion of Grundstrom. Is our current crop really any better as prospects? I don't think so.
 
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It makes me iritionally angry that the Leafs did not draft or trade for a young #3 center with some upside for the entirety of the Tavares' contact.

A player like Minten with 3+ more years of development would be exactly what we need right now
 
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I am Canadian said:
It makes me iritionally angry that the Leafs did not draft or trade for a young #3 center with some upside for the entirety of the Tavares' contact.

A player like Minten with 3+ more years of development would be exactly what we need right now
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Dylan Strome a top 3 pk in 2015 was not qualified by Chicago in 2022 of season.
He had played for 2 crappy teams
He signed a 1 yr deal for 3.5 mil by Washington
Chicago 2021-22 48 pts
Washington 2022-23 65 pts
Another missed opportunity by Dubas

I wanted him back then
 
I am Canadian said:
It makes me iritionally angry that the Leafs did not draft or trade for a young #3 center with some upside for the entirety of the Tavares' contact.

A player like Minten with 3+ more years of development would be exactly what we need right now
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I thought that was supposed to be Kerfoot?
 
I am Canadian said:
It makes me iritionally angry that the Leafs did not draft or trade for a young #3 center with some upside for the entirety of the Tavares' contact.

A player like Minten with 3+ more years of development would be exactly what we need right now
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Development is different than drafting

SDA, Abramov, Abruzzese, Hirvonen, Ovchinnikov, Tverberg
McGregor, Stotts, Miller

We drafted Cs. Some complete pipe dream projects, some players with NHL upside.
Not one of them stuck with us in the 5-8 years since.


(And will concede, the highest of that group was Hirvonen in the second round. No firsts spent on a C prospect.)
 
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uncleben said:
Development is different than drafting

SDA, Abramov, Abruzzese, Hirvonen, Ovchinnikov, Tverberg
McGregor, Stotts, Miller

We drafted Cs. Some complete pipe dream projects, some players with NHL upside.
Not one of them stuck with us in 5-8 years since.
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If you don't draft well, you end up overpaying either in UFA season or TDD.

Let's hope the new management is better at it.
 
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