Value of: Marco Scandella

[57special]

Dumba has always been the guy playing outside the top 4 unless we had injury issues, but in general, we don't have a traditional top 4. The Wild are running Suter and Spurgeon, but after that we are trying to ice two D pairs that are equal in strength, so we don't have a weak pairing.

In other words, there is no clear cut top 4 on the Wild. More of a top 5. Scandella's minutes have been down as he returns from a sprained knee.

 

[10coach*]

i don't see the leafs having much interest in scandella.
Dumba or Spurgeon more likely, but Kadri won't be part of the return

But Scandella would be one of your top 2 D

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

what picks, what prospects? We've got a pretty strong bunch of Finnish fans on our board, they'll probably go crazy, one way or another, about Jokinen.

Surprised the ownership hasn't changed the name to the Team Finland
I'll warn ya, JJ has been a fair bit rusty coming back from his injury but with more games and more ice time he should bounce back to his top 6 form. He can also be on a 3rd line or do all 3 forward positions and PK.

I'd open with an offer of



-- Jussi Jokinen (I'd add a bit of retention as a sweetner, maybe 15-20%)

--2017 conditional 3rd round pick (Arizona's pick) (becomes a 2nd round pick (Florida's pick) if we make 2017 ECF)

--2018 2nd round pick (Arizona's pick)

--(1) of Ian McCoshen OR Dryden Hunt




--Marco Scandella

--Jason Zucker


McCoshen is a 2013 31st overall pick, 6'3 220lb LD, shutdown defender with a booming shot, played at Boston College and now with our AHL team in his 1st pro season with 2 goals in 14 games.

Hunt is an undrafted 6'0 200lb LW who we signed in off-season, tore up the WHL in his last year with 58g/116pts in 72 games. Currently in 1st pro season with our AHL team with 4g/9pts in 18 games.

**Both prospects are expansion exempt.**

Scandella = Jokinen (with some retention) + 2018 2nd round pick + prospect
Zucker = 2017 conditional 3rd

Too much quantity for quality? I think it's close in value.

 

[10coach*]

respectively disagree on that statement. His numbers are helped due to how deep he wild blue line is and how DD stands on his head

Clearly you are talking out of your but here.

 

[10coach*]

Surprised the ownership hasn't changed the name to the Team Finland
I'll warn ya, JJ has been a fair bit rusty coming back from his injury but with with games and more ice time he should bounce back to his top 6 form. He can also be on a 3rd line or do all 3 forward positions and PK.

I'd open with an offer of



-- Jussi Jokinen (I'd add a bit of retention as a sweetner, maybe 15-20%)

--2017 conditional 3rd round pick (Arizona's pick) (becomes a 2nd round pick (Florida's pick) if we make 2017 ECF)

--2018 2nd round pick (Arizona's pick)

--(1) of Ian McCoshen OR Dryden Hunt




--Marco Scandella

--Jason Zucker


McCoshen is a 2013 31st overall pick, 6'3 220lb LD, shutdown defender with a booming shot, played at Boston College and now with our AHL team in his 1st pro season with 2 goals in 14 games.

Hunt is am undrafted 6'0 200lb LW who we signed in off-season, tore up the WHL in his last year with 58g/116pts in 72 games. Currently in 1st pro season with our AHL team with 4g/9pts in 18 games.

**Both prospects are expansion exempt.**

Scandella = Jokinen (with some retention) + 2018 2nd round pick + prospect
Zucker = 2017 conditional 3rd

Too much quantity for quality? I think it's close in value.

I think you'd be more than okay, you'd be thrilled

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

I think you'd be more than okay, you'd be thrilled

I don't follow...you suggesting I'm fleecing the Wild?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Why would Minnesota even consider dealing a player before the expansion? They're going to lose a good player regardless.

We should only consider it if in somehow made sense to deal two.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Surprised the ownership hasn't changed the name to the Team Finland
I'll warn ya, JJ has been a fair bit rusty coming back from his injury but with more games and more ice time he should bounce back to his top 6 form. He can also be on a 3rd line or do all 3 forward positions and PK.

I'd open with an offer of



-- Jussi Jokinen (I'd add a bit of retention as a sweetner, maybe 15-20%)

--2017 conditional 3rd round pick (Arizona's pick) (becomes a 2nd round pick (Florida's pick) if we make 2017 ECF)

--2018 2nd round pick (Arizona's pick)

--(1) of Ian McCoshen OR Dryden Hunt




--Marco Scandella

--Jason Zucker


McCoshen is a 2013 31st overall pick, 6'3 220lb LD, shutdown defender with a booming shot, played at Boston College and now with our AHL team in his 1st pro season with 2 goals in 14 games.

Hunt is an undrafted 6'0 200lb LW who we signed in off-season, tore up the WHL in his last year with 58g/116pts in 72 games. Currently in 1st pro season with our AHL team with 4g/9pts in 18 games.

**Both prospects are expansion exempt.**

Scandella = Jokinen (with some retention) + 2018 2nd round pick + prospect
Zucker = 2017 conditional 3rd

Too much quantity for quality? I think it's close in value.

I'm not a fan.

A 33 year old Jokinen does very for me and the $4M next year is a killer; as does McCoshen (even without Scandella, our organizational strength is still LD with Suter, Brodin, Reilly and Olofsson); 2nd rounders are always nice, I guess, but I do think it's too much quality for quantity.

 

[57special]

Surprised the ownership hasn't changed the name to the Team Finland
I'll warn ya, JJ has been a fair bit rusty coming back from his injury but with more games and more ice time he should bounce back to his top 6 form. He can also be on a 3rd line or do all 3 forward positions and PK.

I'd open with an offer of



-- Jussi Jokinen (I'd add a bit of retention as a sweetner, maybe 15-20%)

--2017 conditional 3rd round pick (Arizona's pick) (becomes a 2nd round pick (Florida's pick) if we make 2017 ECF)

--2018 2nd round pick (Arizona's pick)

--(1) of Ian McCoshen OR Dryden Hunt




--Marco Scandella

--Jason Zucker


McCoshen is a 2013 31st overall pick, 6'3 220lb LD, shutdown defender with a booming shot, played at Boston College and now with our AHL team in his 1st pro season with 2 goals in 14 games.

Hunt is an undrafted 6'0 200lb LW who we signed in off-season, tore up the WHL in his last year with 58g/116pts in 72 games. Currently in 1st pro season with our AHL team with 4g/9pts in 18 games.

**Both prospects are expansion exempt.**

Scandella = Jokinen (with some retention) + 2018 2nd round pick + prospect
Zucker = 2017 conditional 3rd

Too much quantity for quality? I think it's close in value.

that's pretty bad. To recap, we trade two 26 yo, one a top 4 D signed till 2020, the other a lightning fast top 9 guy, for a 33 yo guy...good player, but clearly one who's best years are in the past(Pominville alert! Pominville alert!), for two mid round picks and a Dman prospect( we have plenty of Dmen).

Sorry, that won't work. We lose now, and in the future. If we are throwing Zucker in together with a Dman we want something that will make us better. Jokinnen won't make up for their loss, AND he'll be gone by the end of next year. He's also just too old.

We need quality from your end. In the past I would've tried to work out something for Bjugstad, but I'm beginning to worry about his inability to stay on the ice.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

I'm not a fan.

A 33 year old Jokinen does very for me and the $4M next year is a killer; as does McCoshen (even without Scandella, our organizational strength is still LD with Suter, Brodin, Reilly and Olofsson); 2nd rounders are always nice, I guess, but I do think it's too much quality for quantity.

that's pretty bad. To recap, we trade two 26 yo, one a top 4 D signed till 2020, the other a lightning fast top 9 guy, for a 33 yo guy...good player, but clearly one who's best years are in the past(Pominville alert! Pominville alert!), for two mid round picks and a Dman prospect( we have plenty of Dmen).

Sorry, that won't work. We lose now, and in the future. If we are throwing Zucker in together with a Dman we want something that will make us better. Jokinnen won't make up for their loss, AND he'll be gone by the end of next year. He's also just too old.

We need quality from your end. In the past I would've tried to work out something for Bjugstad, but I'm beginning to worry about his inability to stay on the ice.

Fair enough, I appreciate a civil reply. They are rare around here. Any players on our team you'd be interested in outside of Barkov, Huberdeau and Trocheck?
I'm hesitant to offer 1st round picks since you guys are the ones with your backs against the wall with the protection issues. Not trying to lowball but hope you understand my logic.

McCoshen is our best prospect on defense when not including Matheson, Hunt is arguably our 2nd or 3rd best prospect on forward, the picks can always be moved or used in a package, I also added some retention so you guys would extra cap room. I understand you guys looking for better.

 

[CHaracter79]

Fair enough, I appreciate a civil reply. They are rare around here. Any players on our team you'd be interested in outside of Barkov, Huberdeau and Trocheck?
I'm hesitant to offer 1st round picks since you guys are the ones with your backs against the wall with the protection issues. Not trying to lowball but you understand my logic.

Bjugstad to MTL for a 1st, Beaulieu and any F prospect not named mccaron

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Fair enough, I appreciate a civil reply. They are rare around here. Any players on our team you'd be interested in outside of Barkov, Huberdeau and Trocheck?
I'm hesitant to offer 1st round picks since you guys are the ones with your backs against the wall with the protection issues. Not trying to lowball but you understand my logic.

Like 57 said above, if Bjugstad was healthier and more productive he'd be interesting, but if he was then he'd probably be on your list with Barkov and Trochek.

If we were really in a bind, the 2nd and 3rd rounders would become more appealing, but I think we'd be able to get something better from someone else. It's too bad you guys took Crouse where you did.

 

[57special]

Surprised the ownership hasn't changed the name to the Team Finland
I'll warn ya, JJ has been a fair bit rusty coming back from his injury but with more games and more ice time he should bounce back to his top 6 form. He can also be on a 3rd line or do all 3 forward positions and PK.

I'd open with an offer of



-- Jussi Jokinen (I'd add a bit of retention as a sweetner, maybe 15-20%)

--2017 conditional 3rd round pick (Arizona's pick) (becomes a 2nd round pick (Florida's pick) if we make 2017 ECF)

--2018 2nd round pick (Arizona's pick)

--(1) of Ian McCoshen OR Dryden Hunt




--Marco Scandella

--Jason Zucker


McCoshen is a 2013 31st overall pick, 6'3 220lb LD, shutdown defender with a booming shot, played at Boston College and now with our AHL team in his 1st pro season with 2 goals in 14 games.

Hunt is an undrafted 6'0 200lb LW who we signed in off-season, tore up the WHL in his last year with 58g/116pts in 72 games. Currently in 1st pro season with our AHL team with 4g/9pts in 18 games.

**Both prospects are expansion exempt.**

Scandella = Jokinen (with some retention) + 2018 2nd round pick + prospect
Zucker = 2017 conditional 3rd

Too much quantity for quality? I think it's close in value.

that's pretty bad. To recap, we trade one 26 yo, top 4 D signed till 2020, the other a lightning fast 24yo top 9 guy, for a 33 yo guy...good player, but clearly one who's best years are in the past(Pominville alert! Pominville alert!), two mid round picks and a Dman prospect( we have plenty of Dmen).

Sorry, that won't work. We lose now, and in the future. If we are throwing Zucker in together with a Dman we want something that will make us better. Jokinnen won't make up for their loss, AND he'll be gone by the end of next year. He's also just too old.

We need quality from your end. In the past I would've tried to work out something for Bjugstad, but I'm beginning to worry about his inability to stay on the ice.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Bjugstad to MTL for a 1st, Beaulieu and any F prospect not named mccaron

Not really interested in "what's available" with Montreal or interested in helping a division rival. I'm not ready to give up on Bjugstad just yet, the injuries are a concern but I hope Rowe will try Nick on Barkov's wing going forward (Jagr's last year) and he has the potential to get 25-30 goals.

 

[NotYou]

Fair enough, I appreciate a civil reply. They are rare around here. Any players on our team you'd be interested in outside of Barkov, Huberdeau and Trocheck?
I'm hesitant to offer 1st round picks since you guys are the ones with your backs against the wall with the protection issues. Not trying to lowball but hope you understand my logic.

McCoshen is our best prospect on defense when not including Matheson, Hunt is arguably our 2nd or 3rd best prospect on forward, the picks can always be moved or used in a package, I also added some retention so you guys would extra cap room. I understand you guys looking for better.

You aren't solving our problem. Us trading 1 out of 5 dmen leaves us with 4 so we still have to either expose a second dman or a good forward. So in your trade, there's a footer: "MN also loses one of spurg, brodin, dumba, coyle, nino, granlund."

The package you propose has to offset that (which would make it a ********* trade from your end. Regardless we're 10x better off just losing one guy to expansion than to go with almost any trade someone will propose on here, yours included.

sidenote i chuckled at the bolded

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

You aren't solving our problem. Us trading 1 out of 5 dmen leaves us with 4 so we still have to either expose a second dman or a good forward. So in your trade, there's a footer: "MN also loses one of spurg, brodin, dumba, coyle, nino, granlund."

The package you propose has to offset that (which would make it a ********* trade from your end. Regardless we're 10x better off just losing one guy to expansion than to go with almost any trade someone will propose on here, yours included.

sidenote i chuckled at the bolded

I hear ya. Some posters have argued that MIN could trade 2 defensemen since you guys are loaded with defense prospects as well. You guys are in quite the situation. I was offering the picks and prospects because some MIN fans were asking for them. No sweat, no trade to be made here.

Not a fan of Matheson? I know he's made a ton of mistakes but he's got a solid toolbox, just needs time to organize it, definitely has potential to put up 30+pts in a year or two.

 

[NotYou]

I hear ya. Some posters have argued that MIN could trade 2 defensemen since you guys are loaded with defense prospects as well. You guys are in quite the situation. I was offering the picks and prospects because some MIN fans were asking for them. No sweat, no trade to be made here.

Not a fan of Matheson? I know he's made a ton of mistakes but he's got a solid toolbox, just needs time to organize it, definitely has potential to put up 30+pts in a year or two.

Yeah, I'd like to do that too. Problem is the team we trade with has to be able to accommodate those 2 dmen for the exp draft as well. TO and BUF are the only teams I can think of since they'd be able to protect 4+4 and not expose anyone significant. Tight market there, I'm not optimistic

Nah I just think "he's the best (except X )" is funny. And definitely something I've done

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Yeah, I'd like to do that too. Problem is the team we trade with has to be able to accommodate those 2 dmen for the exp draft as well. TO and BUF are the only teams I can think of since they'd be able to protect 4+4 and not expose anyone significant. Tight market there, I'm not optimistic

Nah I just think "he's the best (except X )" is funny. And definitely something I've done

I even added in the "2nd round pick" too and a mystery box "conditional 3rd"

Matheson has played 24 NHL games now, when do ya stop calling him a prospect? that's what I was getting at with that when not including him comment but we've all tried to be a salesman when in the trade board threads.

 

[10coach*]

I don't follow...you suggesting I'm fleecing the Wild?

Absolutely

 

[roon]

Scandella isn't available. We need to expose him to the expansion draft.

Dumba is the trade bait and a RHD with his potential is going to require Picks/Prospects on that level.

 

[57special]

Don't agree that we have to settle for giving away Scandella (or another dman) to Vegas. If the Wild continue playing as they are(inconsistently...beating good teams and losing to bad ones...a lot)then Fletcher has to think about the future, possibly at the expense of the present, which isn't all that rosy anyway. That means trading away two Dmen for forward help, prospects, or draft ineligble players, and surviving with a d core of Suter, Brodin, Spurgeon(for example). Many teams would be happy to have that problem.

If we don't make a trade for a Dman, we will have to expose at least two to the draft. We don't get to tell them who to take. LV will take whomever they feel is the best player.

I'd rather recognize that reality and sell now, getting assets that will make us stronger in the future.

Jokinnen is not the answer for any team except one that feels they are a strong contender for a Cup this year and need just one more piece of quality depth. I don't think the Wild are in that position.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Don't agree that we have to settle for giving away Scandella (or another dman) to Vegas. If the Wild continue playing as they are(inconsistently...beating good teams and losing to bad ones...a lot)then Fletcher has to think about the future, possibly at the expense of the present, which isn't all that rosy anyway. That means trading away two Dmen for forward help, prospects, or draft ineligble players, and surviving with a d core of Suter, Brodin, Spurgeon(for example). Many teams would be happy to have that problem.

If we don't make a trade for a Dman, we will have to expose at least two to the draft. We don't get to tell them who to take. LV will take whomever they feel is the best player.

I'd rather recognize that reality and sell now, getting assets that will make us stronger in the future.

Jokinnen is not the answer for any team except one that feels they are a strong contender for a Cup this year and need just one more piece of quality depth. I don't think the Wild are in that position.

Not to mention having backup not far away with Olofsson, Reilly, Folin, etc.

Suter-Spurgeon
Brodin-Folin
Olofsson-Reilly
Prosser

It's not super terrible but there would be a learning curve.

 

[roon]

Don't agree that we have to settle for giving away Scandella (or another dman) to Vegas. If the Wild continue playing as they are(inconsistently...beating good teams and losing to bad ones...a lot)then Fletcher has to think about the future, possibly at the expense of the present, which isn't all that rosy anyway. That means trading away two Dmen for forward help, prospects, or draft ineligble players, and surviving with a d core of Suter, Brodin, Spurgeon(for example). Many teams would be happy to have that problem.

If we don't make a trade for a Dman, we will have to expose at least two to the draft. We don't get to tell them who to take. LV will take whomever they feel is the best player.

I'd rather recognize that reality and sell now, getting assets that will make us stronger in the future.

Jokinnen is not the answer for any team except one that feels they are a strong contender for a Cup this year and need just one more piece of quality depth. I don't think the Wild are in that position.

I don't disagree with your take...however, trading for Expansion draft eligible forwards does us no good whatsoever.

 

[57special]

I don't disagree with your take...however, trading for Expansion draft eligible forwards does us no good whatsoever.

partially agree. Since we can only protect three Dmen, but seven forwards, forwards are are more easily accpeted, especially quality forwards. I can live with losing a Zucker or Haula if it's because we have replaced them with a true top 6 talent.

Ideally, we would have a quality, draft ineligble player coming back in return, so we can keep a Haula.

 

[NotYou]

Don't agree that we have to settle for giving away Scandella (or another dman) to Vegas. If the Wild continue playing as they are(inconsistently...beating good teams and losing to bad ones...a lot)then Fletcher has to think about the future, possibly at the expense of the present, which isn't all that rosy anyway. That means trading away two Dmen for forward help, prospects, or draft ineligble players, and surviving with a d core of Suter, Brodin, Spurgeon(for example). Many teams would be happy to have that problem.

If we don't make a trade for a Dman, we will have to expose at least two to the draft. We don't get to tell them who to take. LV will take whomever they feel is the best player.

I'd rather recognize that reality and sell now, getting assets that will make us stronger in the future.

Jokinnen is not the answer for any team except one that feels they are a strong contender for a Cup this year and need just one more piece of quality depth. I don't think the Wild are in that position.

Are there teams other than buffalo and Toronto that could take on 2 dmen without then having to expose a decent dman of their own? If so who? If not, they still have an option to trade for another team's 4th most valuable dman rather than spend big. I agree that trading 2 for a big player is ideal but I think we'll be dealing in a tough market. I'd be thrilled if fletch pulled it off