Player Discussion Marco Rossi

[Wabit]

How much success did that system bring us again???

MN got out of the 1st round at least on those teams. The season standing point totals are similar too.

21-23yo seasons:
Rossi: 183 games, 101p (45.5p season average), 6 Playoff games (3p)
Granny: 213 games, 123p (47.7p season average), 29 Playoff games (16p)

Granny did this with Parise/Pommer as the best wings on the team and the Yeo trap system
Rossi did this with Kap/Boldy as the best wings and the whatever Hynes/Evason systems.

 

[f7ben]

MN got out of the 1st round at least on those teams. The season standing point totals are similar too.

21-23yo seasons:
Rossi: 183 games, 101p (45.5p season average), 6 Playoff games (3p)
Granny: 213 games, 123p (47.7p season average), 29 Playoff games (16p)

Granny did this with Parise/Pommer as the best wings on the team and the Yeo trap system
Rossi did this with Kap/Boldy as the best wings and the whatever Hynes/Evason systems.

Granlund had 79p total in his 21-23 year old seasons (13-14 and 14-15) while being deployed as a center. He was moved to wing in his 23-24 year old season (15-16) and then broke out scoring some points. Not even remotely comparable to Rossi who spent his first season with garbage linemates and limited pp time and second season where Kap missed over half the time.

Sorry bout your luck

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Oh so Boldy was there, not Zuccarello? Did you forget that while you trash Rossi every chance you get to prop Eriksson Ek up?

Anything to not give Ek credit. Props to you, well done.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

You don’t get to compare 23 year old Rossi to 26 year old Granlund, sorry

You don’t get to tell me what to do. Granlund was a play driving playmaker that didn’t get to play next to forwards anywhere near the level of Kaprizov or Boldy.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

How much success did that system bring us again???

Our last playoff series victory.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Granlund had 79p total in his 21-23 year old seasons (13-14 and 14-15) while being deployed as a center. He was moved to wing in his 23-24 year old season (15-16) and then broke out scoring some points. Not even remotely comparable to Rossi who spent his first season with garbage linemates and limited pp time and second season where Kap missed over half the time.

Sorry bout your luck

Again, if points are all y’all care about then the player is perfect for the wing.

 

[AKL]

Anything to not give Ek credit. Props to you, well done.

You think there's a difference when Ek is the third best player on the line, vs when Rossi is the second best player on the line, or is it just you doing anything to not give Rossi credit and prop up Ek?

 

[DigitalBoldy]

You think there's a difference when Ek is the third best player on the line, vs when Rossi is the second best player on the line, or is it just you doing anything to not give Rossi credit and prop up Ek?

You think Rossi is the second best offensive player on a Kap-Rossi-Zucc line? LMAO.

Start of the season through December 23rd (Kap out injured after):

5v5:
Kaprizov 30 points (~606 5v5 minutes)
Rossi 18 points (~523 5v5 minutes)
Zuccarello 14 points (~312 5v5 minutes)

Zucc missed 13 games and was within spitting distance of Rossi.

If you extrapolate the production out to Rossi’s minutes, Zucc would have more goals, more assists, more points, more shots, fewer penalties, more drawn penalties, more takeaways (also more giveaways), and more blocked shots.

Since all you care about is point totals (see: Ek vs Rossi discussion or any discussion pertaining to Rossi), go ahead and argue how Rossi is better than Zuccarello. Let’s hear it.

 

[AKL]

You think Rossi is the second best offensive player on a Kap-Rossi-Zucc line? LMAO.

Start of the season through December 23rd (Kap out injured after):

5v5:
Kaprizov 30 points (~606 5v5 minutes)
Rossi 18 points (~523 5v5 minutes)
Zuccarello 14 points (~312 5v5 minutes)

Zucc missed 13 games and was within spitting distance of Rossi.

If you extrapolate the production out to Rossi’s minutes, Zucc would have more goals, more assists, more points, more shots, fewer penalties, more drawn penalties, more takeaways (also more giveaways), and more blocked shots.

Since all you care about is point totals (see: Ek vs Rossi discussion or any discussion pertaining to Rossi), go ahead and argue how Rossi is better than Zuccarello. Let’s hear it.

I almost respect the way you subtly warp the discussion in any way you can to avoid giving Rossi any credit.

I also find it entertaining how you exclusively compare Rossi's 23 year old sophomore season to your other guys prime aged seasons, Eriksson Ek at 26-28, Bennett at 29, etc. It kinda ties into how you always seem to ignore the fact that Rossi is still improving as a player, I guess admitting that would harm your stance that he's useless.

I'm also looking forward to your "so you can't prove me wrong? guess that means I'm right" response that will inevitably follow this.

But yeah, Rossi is a better player than Zuccarello. Check out my sample:

December 27 - February 28
Rossi: 25 GP - 23 points - 17 even strength points - +5
Zuccarello: 25 GP - 18 points - 12 even strength points - -4

 

[north21]

You don’t get to tell me what to do. Granlund was a play driving playmaker that didn’t get to play next to forwards anywhere near the level of Kaprizov or Boldy.

It's a pretty fair argument, 3 year gap is large and granny was for sure on the wing by then.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

I almost respect the way you subtly warp the discussion in any way you can to avoid giving Rossi any credit.

I also find it entertaining how you exclusively compare Rossi's 23 year old sophomore season to your other guys prime aged seasons, Eriksson Ek at 26-28, Bennett at 29, etc. It kinda ties into how you always seem to ignore the fact that Rossi is still improving as a player, I guess admitting that would harm your stance that he's useless.

I'm also looking forward to your "so you can't prove me wrong? guess that means I'm right" response that will inevitably follow this.

But yeah, Rossi is a better player than Zuccarello. Check out my sample:

December 27 - February 28
Rossi: 25 GP - 23 points - 17 even strength points - +5
Zuccarello: 25 GP - 18 points - 12 even strength points - -4

I’m just following your lead, hoss.

I appreciate you picking an irrelevant time slot when doing the comparison after YOU brought up how Rossi was playing with Kaprizov.

Kaprizov was on pace to shatter his career marks with Rossi to start the season. Honest question, have you just completely forgotten, or blocked out, the first 2.5 months of last season?

This is YOU, not ME. 2.5 months from the start of the season is early October to mid December right?? We can count here, yeah??

Don’t trip over your own argument now.

 

[AKL]

I’m just following your lead, hoss.

I appreciate you picking an irrelevant time slot when doing the comparison after YOU brought up how Rossi was playing with Kaprizov.

This is YOU, not ME. 2.5 months from the start of the season is early October to mid December right?? We can count here, yeah??

Don’t trip over your own argument now.

He was on pace to shatter career marks with Rossi, that's true.

Then you decided to switch it up to Zuccarello vs Rossi, so that's what I was responding to there.

I guess my mistake was letting you warp the argument to fit your narrative rather than sticking to the point I originally made.

Anyway, since you can't prove that Kaprizov wasn't on pace to shatter career marks with Rossi for those 2.5 months, I guess I win this one. That's how it works, right?

 

[DigitalBoldy]

He was on pace to shatter career marks with Rossi, that's true.

Then you decided to switch it up to Zuccarello vs Rossi, so that's what I was responding to there.

I guess my mistake was letting you warp the argument to fit your narrative rather than sticking to the point I originally made.

Anyway, since you can't prove that Kaprizov wasn't on pace to shatter career marks with Rossi for those 2.5 months, I guess I win this one. That's how it works, right?

Also factually true statements:
-Kaprizov had a higher pace with Ek to end 23-24 than with Rossi to start 24-25.
-Zuccarello is more compatible with Kaprizov than Rossi. (This must eat at you given how much you hate Zucc)
-You continue to have no answers for why Rossi has to stay at center aside from arguments that would still apply to him as a winger.

You saying I warp the argument, while twisting things to fit your narrative, is just the pot calling the kettle black.

Rossi to the wing or trade him. I’m over it.

 

[AKL]

-Kaprizov had a higher pace with Ek to end 23-24 than with Rossi to start 24-25.

Oh look, we're back to ignoring the fact that Boldy was there.

-Zuccarello is more compatible with Kaprizov than Rossi. (This must eat at you given how much you hate Zucc)

Even if that's true, which you haven't proven so we're not assuming it is, Zuccarello is 38 entering his last season, Rossi is 24 entering his third season. Not sure what you think you're proving here lol.

-You continue to have no answers for why Rossi has to stay at center aside from arguments that would still apply to him as a winger.

Because he's always been a center and as a 24 year old, he's going to keep improving, just like 24 year old Joel Eriksson Ek and 24 year old Sam Bennett did. You keep forgetting that every time you compare Rossi to those guys, you're comparing their prime aged UFA years to Rossi as a 23 year old lol. It's intellectually dishonest at best, and you know you're doing it too, because you refuse to acknowledge it every time it's brought up.

I’m over it.

Good, maybe you'll take a break from it for a while. You seem agitated.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Good, maybe you'll take a break from it for a while. You seem agitated.

Nah. Talking to people who insist on a player playing center, but they can’t make an argument for what center specific skill or ability Rossi has that shows he MUST play there, is pointless.

Might as well try Ohgren at center too if current center ability doesn’t matter and the only argument is “wElL hE cAn GeT bEtTeR wItH aGe.”

 

[AKL]

Nah. Talking to people who insist on a player playing center, but they can’t make an argument for what center specific skill or ability Rossi has that shows he MUST play there, is pointless.

Might as well try Ohgren at center too if current center ability doesn’t matter and the only argument is “wElL hE cAn GeT bEtTeR wItH aGe.”

Oh neat, a straw man. Wait, if current ability matters so much more to you than potential, why does Yurov start at center again?

If you moved every center who wasn't a finished product at 23 to the wing, you'd have 37 total centers in the entire league. Eriksson Ek would be a winger. Sam Bennett would be a winger. Who would you cream over then?

Whether you like it or not (you don't, so it must eat you alive), Rossi was more than adequate as a center for the first 75% of the season, and at least 67% of the playoffs. That's why he's being kept at center.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I would not avoid picking up a center that pushes Rossi to wing, just to keep Rossi at center. But we actually need to identify that guy first. Until we do, Rossi-to-wing talk is pointless.

UFAs:
Tavares - probably staying
Duchene - maybe, 2 sucky playoffs in a row
Bennett - probably staying
Dvorak - not an upgrade
Frederic - not an uprade
Slew of 4th liners
And... we're done

Trade Targets:
*crickets*

For all his "faults" as a still improving player, Rossi at center is still probably going to be the best option to win games in the near future.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Oh neat, a straw man. Wait, if current ability matters so much more to you than potential, why does Yurov start at center again?

If you moved every center who wasn't a finished product at 23 to the wing, you'd have 37 total centers in the entire league. Eriksson Ek would be a winger. Sam Bennett would be a winger. Who would you cream over then?

Whether you like it or not (you don't, so it must eat you alive), Rossi was more than adequate as a center for the first 75% of the season, and at least 67% of the playoffs. That's why he's being kept at center.

A straw man that perfectly encapsulates how stupid it is to keep a guy at center who doesn’t have a defining center ability.

I already said that Yurov gets through his age 23 season. That’s what Granlund got. That’s what Rossi got.

At 23, Eriksson Ek was with Foligno and Greenway forming one of the best shutdown lines in the entire league. At 24, he was receiving Selke votes. Clearly you’re uneducated when it comes to Eriksson Ek so maybe stop talking about him, okay? Okay.

Rossi showed nothing to prove he is anything more than a winger being thrust into a center role. Feel free to show some arguments that suggest otherwise. You’ve failed to provide them thus far, so I assume they won’t be coming at all.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

I would not avoid picking up a center that pushes Rossi to wing, just to keep Rossi at center. But we actually need to identify that guy first. Until we do, Rossi-to-wing talk is pointless.

UFAs:
Tavares - probably staying
Duchene - maybe, 2 sucky playoffs in a row
Bennett - probably staying
Dvorak - not an upgrade
Frederic - not an uprade
Slew of 4th liners
And... we're done

Trade Targets:
*crickets*

For all his "faults" as a still improving player, Rossi at center is still probably going to be the best option to win games in the near future.

Pageau as a 3C that plays more minutes than the 2C (Yurov).

 

[AKL]

At 23, Eriksson Ek was with Foligno and Greenway forming one of the best shutdown lines in the entire league. At 24, he was receiving Selke votes. Clearly you’re uneducated when it comes to Eriksson Ek so maybe stop talking about him, okay? Okay.

Nah I don't think I will.

Weird how Eriksson Ek improved after 23 but Rossi won't, isn't it? That's weird to me.

I get it, you think all centers have to get Selke votes to be good centers. You're objectively wrong, but it is your opinion.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Pageau as a 3C that plays more minutes than the 2C (Yurov).

I don't much like 33 year old Pageau playing 2C minutes as our big center swing.

 

[AKL]

I don't much like 33 year old Pageau playing 2C minutes as our big center swing.

Not sure how you can dislike that idea, he finished 34th in Selke voting 3 years ago, that means he's far better than Rossi

 

[DigitalBoldy]

I don't much like 33 year old Pageau playing 2C minutes as our big center swing.

Yurov is the offensive role center. Pageau is the “Eriksson Ek help”, which is what the Wild have clearly stated they are looking to add.

Not sure how you can dislike that idea, he finished 34th in Selke voting 3 years ago, that means he's far better than Rossi

Ladies and gentlemen, the guy who complains about straw man arguments ad nauseam using a straw man argument!

 

[AKL]

Yurov is the offensive role center. Pageau is the “Eriksson Ek help”, which is what the Wild have clearly stated they are looking to add.

Ladies and gentlemen, the guy who complains about straw man arguments ad nauseam using a straw man argument!

Just following your lead hoss

 

[Minnewildsota]

Yurov is the offensive role center. Pageau is the “Eriksson Ek help”, which is what the Wild have clearly stated they are looking to add.

Ladies and gentlemen, the guy who complains about straw man arguments ad nauseam using a straw man argument!

Better get used to it.