Player Discussion Marco Rossi

[KaprizovSaveUs]

Guys What exercises I should do to grow 3 inches taller? Right now I'm 5"9-5"10, 15. Also what my chances to grow 6ft?

 

[BagHead]

Trying to formulate my thoughts without disparaging Ek too much, because he is a good player, I like him on this team. But he's also a very limited player. Truly lacks the offensive tools and creativity to be a true top six forward, probably too effective at hockey to be a true third liner though. Trying to fit him in is tough.

Ideally he probably fits perfectly as a 2C behind MacKinnon, who is miles better than your average 1C offensively. Surround him with solid two way second line wingers and it's a good support line behind a first line that scores a lot. Can chip in offense enough to win games, but shouldn't be relied on to do so, which is fine, because that's what MacKinnon is for.

But with a 1C like Larkin, I'm not sure you can rely on him enough to make up for the fact that Larkin isn't MacKinnon.

And he really shouldn't be playing with guys like Kaprizov and Boldy at even strength. Just doesn't have the tools to keep up with them in the offensive zone.

I'd also have him as a PP2 net front guy still. He is good at that. But like we've touched on, lacks the creativity to really elevate a PP, and doesn't win faceoffs at any special rate.

He could definitely be a PK forward, though his 35ish% faceoffs on the PK isn't what you'd like from a PK center.

I've been thinking every time I read this thread that the trouble with Rossi is that he's a true 2nd line center, a guy who has most of the tools but not quite enough of them to really go to the top level. The problem with that is that so is Ek, but in different ways. We need a #1 center, and probably the best way to get that is by signing Rossi (without trade protection), and then trading him as part of a package when the rare opportunity arises for a true #1 center (think Eichel, Seguin, Thornton, and maybe O'Reilly).

On the plus side, doing that opens you up to the admittedly unlikely possibility that Rossi develops into one himself.

 

[BagHead]

Stenlund only won 59.1% of his faceoffs.
And scored 14+14 as a fourth liner.

Terrible. Trade him to some irrelevant team like the Wild for.... ahh, Trenin I guess.

 

[AKL]

I've been thinking every time I read this thread that the trouble with Rossi is that he's a true 2nd line center, a guy who has most of the tools but not quite enough of them to really go to the top level. The problem with that is that so is Ek, but in different ways. We need a #1 center, and probably the best way to get that is by signing Rossi (without trade protection), and then trading him as part of a package when the rare opportunity arises for a true #1 center (think Eichel, Seguin, Thornton, and maybe O'Reilly).

On the plus side, doing that opens you up to the admittedly unlikely possibility that Rossi develops into one himself.

I would like to see Rossi play at least one full season with Kaprizov and on the top PP in place of Zuccarello. Then I'll decide if I think Rossi can't be functional as the top line center on this team.

Either way, we agree that there's no reason to trade him unless they can get the 1C they need in the deal.

 

[MrRuin]

I would like to see Rossi play at least one full season with Kaprizov and on the top PP in place of Zuccarello. Then I'll decide if I think Rossi can't be functional as the top line center on this team.

Either way, we agree that there's no reason to trade him unless they can get the 1C they need in the deal.

That’s exactly the spot he should play in (and played in all of his career in junior and AHL) on the PP.

 

[Prior]

Can comfortably say that there is near literally no one in NHL front offices that thinks Rossi is in the same stratosphere of players as JEE now or projecting ahead. Trying to argue Rossi/JEE is laughable on that alone.

 

[MNRube]

That 17% shooting scares me a bit. Completely unsustainable

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Rossi likely would be an all situations center if Eriksson Ek wasn't on his team.

We literally just saw he wasn’t when Ek was out for 30+ games.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

I'm not sure he is. The only reason he's on the PP is because he's big and stands in front of the goalie and takes faceoffs. If we had a real 1C Ek wouldn't be on it.

Also really really worth pointing out that when Bennett was Rossi's age he was neither a PP or SH player.

Also Lundell was 9th in PP TOI/GP this year for FL.

Are we going to stick a 1C as the net front guy on the power play? I think even if we had MacKinnon or McDavid, Ek would still play the power play. Those guys don’t play net front.

 

[57special]

Guys What exercises I should do to grow 3 inches taller? Right now I'm 5"9-5"10, 15. Also what my chances to grow 6ft?

Well, the founder of Aikido, Morehei Ueshiba, hung himself from tree limbs with weights tied around his ankles. He was trying to reach the minimum height to get into the Japanese army.

Here is another option Limb-Lengthening Surgery | Boston Children's Hospital.

I posted this earlier, but Rossi isn't JEE. Different type of player. He is, however, far more productive offensively that JEE was at the same age. I don't see the problem in keeping both players on the team.

 

[north21]

Well, the founder of Aikido, Morehei Ueshiba, hung himself from tree limbs with weights tied around his ankles. He was trying to reach the minimum height to get into the Japanese army.

Here is another option Limb-Lengthening Surgery | Boston Children's Hospital.

I posted this earlier, but Rossi isn't JEE. Different type of player. He is, however, far more productive offensively that JEE was at the same age. I don't see the problem in keeping both players on the team.

The solution is simple, a combination of giraffe and Bigfoot testicles mixed with pine needles. Grilled over an open flame and salt/pepper to taste.

At this point I am hoping we can bridge rossi and see what he turns into.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

I'm actually learning a lot right now

Here's a list of centers who don't PK, less than 30 seconds per game

MacKinnon
McDavid
Draisaitl
Scheifele
Barzal
Crosby
Celebrini
Kadri
Stutzle
Point
Thompson
Beniers
Fantilli
Tavares
Couturier
Malkin
Schenn
Dubois
Bennett
Duchene
D Strome
McTavish
Hertl
Zary

If you remove the washed up superstars, how many players on this list are worse than Rossi?

Zary and... maybe Beniers? That’s before we get to Zary not actually playing center btw.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

I would like to see Rossi play at least one full season with Kaprizov and on the top PP in place of Zuccarello. Then I'll decide if I think Rossi can't be functional as the top line center on this team.

What exactly are we going to gather from this outside of Kaprizov inflating what he is? Kaprizov made Hartman a 30+ goal 60+ point center and that was without Hartman playing on the power play.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

That 17% shooting scares me a bit. Completely unsustainable

Not only that, he had a ~19% drop in total shots from his rookie year to this past season… despite playing more minutes per game and half a season on the top power play unit.

 

[BagHead]

If you remove the washed up superstars, how many players on this list are worse than Rossi?

Zary and... maybe Beniers? That’s before we get to Zary not actually playing center btw.

I don't think the point is to say Rossi is as good as all those guys, it's to say that PK minutes are a poor measure of how good someone is.

 

[BagHead]

That 17% shooting scares me a bit. Completely unsustainable

Now that I can agree on. There'll be some regression there, so hopefully he starts shooting more frequently.

 

[MrRuin]

That 17% shooting scares me a bit. Completely unsustainable

If you look at where he scores his goals from this isn’t totally impossible to reproduce.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

I don't think the point is to say Rossi is as good as all those guys, it's to say that PK minutes are a poor measure of how good someone is.

Yep, so are faceoffs and defensive responsibilities and every other thing that is unique to the center role that pro Rossi people argue. The only good thing to measure a center by is points. That’s it.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

We literally just saw he wasn’t when Ek was out for 30+ games.

Crap, I keep forgetting the generally accepted idea that he's as good as he'll ever be, like every other 23 year old is and has ever been.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Crap, I keep forgetting the generally accepted idea that he's as good as he'll ever be, like every other 23 year old is and has ever been.

Nice deflection. When should we expect Rossi to develop into an all situations center? 25? 27? 30?

 

[AKL]

Nice deflection. When should we expect Rossi to develop into an all situations center? 25? 27? 30?

Well Ek was, what, 26?

Sam Bennett still isn't at...29? I think?

So I guess the better question is why is that the minimum acceptable level for Rossi at 23

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Nice deflection. When should we expect Rossi to develop into an all situations center? 25? 27? 30?

I think somewhere between his 3rd and 6th seasons is fairly reasonable.

Also, I don't necessarily think he needs to. If he's a 60-70 point center that doesn't PK and isn't the 1st guy on the ice up 1 with 45 seconds left, that's ok too.

 

[BagHead]

Yep, so are faceoffs and defensive responsibilities and every other thing that is unique to the center role that pro Rossi people argue. The only good thing to measure a center by is points. That’s it.

I am pro-Rossi in that I would prefer not to trade him for worse pieces, but I have never said any of those things. Most things matter to some degree, but none of them are all-important. Nobody's going to win an argument by picking stats that agree with what they are saying.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

I think somewhere between his 3rd and 6th seasons is fairly reasonable.

Also, I don't necessarily think he needs to. If he's a 60-70 point center that doesn't PK and isn't the 1st guy on the ice up 1 with 45 seconds left, that's ok too.

It’s also okay if he plays wing where he won’t be exposed as lacking in the defensive zone and faceoff department.

I am pro-Rossi in that I would prefer not to trade him for worse pieces, but I have never said any of those things. Most things matter to some degree, but none of them are all-important. Nobody's going to win an argument by picking stats that agree with what they are saying.

He’s 0/3. Move him to wing.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

It’s also okay if he plays wing where he won’t be exposed as lacking in the defensive zone and faceoff department.

If he doesn't show improvement at those over the next couple of years, have at it.