Player Discussion Marco Rossi

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NHL Trade Rumors: New Team From Metro Division Linked To Wild's Marco Rossi

The Capitals are linked to Marco Rossi as they explore bold trade moves to stay competitive during Alex Ovechkin’s final seasons.

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What pieces are of interest from the Caps?

Go back in time to last offseason and trade Rossi for McMichael. No chance they do it now but Washington’s FO was iffy on him for a while.

I haven’t paid much attention to Hendrix Lapierre beyond his draft hype but he should be approaching NHL readiness around now if it’s in the cards. One of those scenarios where we get worse temporarily to hopefully get a higher upside target and have cash for another add.

 

[AKL]

Go back in time to last offseason and trade Rossi for McMichael. No chance they do it now but Washington’s FO was iffy on him for a while.

I haven’t paid much attention to Hendrix Lapierre beyond his draft hype but he should be approaching NHL readiness around now if it’s in the cards. One of those scenarios where we get worse temporarily to hopefully get a higher upside target and have cash for another add.

McMichael is older than Rossi, I don't see how he has higher upside, and Washington moved him to wing this year, which is why they were iffy on him as a center last year

I'm so confused by some of these ideas because it seems we've given up on Rossi as a product of the team around him, while forgetting the team around him wasn't as good on the whole as some of the ideas we're coming up with?

Rossi would have scored at least 70, maybe 75 had Kaprizov stayed healthy the whole season, so if we're talking about his linemates propping him up, let's use that number. It's not like McMichael was playing with slouches either, his most common linemates were 66 point PLD, 65 point Wilson, 66 point Protas, and 82 point Strome.

 

[AKL]

I think some of us are so stuck not being able to see the forest for the trees here. We're so focused on what Rossi isn't, that we're not really seeing what he is. Stuck on single traits like size or speed, that we're not realizing that simply having those traits doesn't necessarily mean you're a better player, or will be a better player.

Take a step back and look at what Rossi is holistically, and a lot of the names being brought up, despite being bigger or faster, or maybe even both, are not better players overall, and don't have higher ceilings than Rossi does moving forward. If Rossi is a 75+ point center on our first line, swapping him for a 45 point 3C or a 55-60 point 2W doesn't automatically make us a better team.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

I think some of you are so stuck on Rossi and think that we have to just sign whatever his side wants because we’ve only developed 3 centers in 25 years.

Take a step back and look at the two teams playing for the Cup. Minnesota is not going to win a Cup with Rossi as a top 6 center. The only reason to sign him at all as a center is because he could be a decent 3C on a contender. What do 3Cs go for again?

Can’t wait for the

“But 60 points!!!!!!”
"But 23!!!!!"
"But he’s only the third center we’ve ever developed!!!!”

 

[f7ben]

I think some of you are so stuck on Rossi and think that we have to just sign whatever his side wants because we’ve only developed 3 centers in 25 years.

Take a step back and look at the two teams playing for the Cup. Minnesota is not going to win a Cup with Rossi as a top 6 center. The only reason to sign him at all as a center is because he could be a decent 3C on a contender. What do 3Cs go for again?

Can’t wait for the

“But 60 points!!!!!!”
"But 23!!!!!"
"But he’s only the third center we’ve ever developed!!!!”

He deserves a fair contract , 5x5 is such a ridiculous off it isn’t worth discussing

 

[Canucks LB]

Hey guys, I am here to do scouting for the Vancouver Canucks boards on Rossi

Can you guys give me the three best things about him and the three worst things about him as a hockey player?

Also, how is his character?
I also noticed he goes to the net a lot and gets most of the goals out front of the net, is he gritty out front of the net for his size?

I’m eagerly looking for your responses, thank you.

 

[AKL]

Also, how is his character?

This is the easy one so I'll start here. His character is top notch. Very professional, great attitude, teammates love him, etc. Only knock here is I don't think he makes the music playlist for the locker room.

Can you guys give me the three best things about him

• He's very smart (hockey IQ), knows where to go on the ice, reads off his teammates very well
• Eager and willing to go to dirty areas
• Work ethic is great, he is absolutely willing to put in the work to improve himself, and I think he'll keep getting better over the next several seasons

the three worst things about him as a hockey player

• Outside his IQ, he doesn't really have any elite/standout traits- skating, passing, shooting all pretty average
• Small, obviously, which means despite being eager and willing to go to dirty areas, he is prone to being outmuscled or knocked off the puck
• His defense isn't great. He's not necessarily a liability or anything, especially looking at the complete package, but don't expect a good shutdown guy. He's definitely more offensively inclined. Think this is an area he can improve though.

I also noticed he goes to the net a lot and gets most of the goals out front of the net, is he gritty out front of the net for his size?

As mentioned, he definitely has no problems going to the net, there were even times he was the net front guy last season battling the defender for position, but as also mentioned, his size and strength do limit him here compared to a guy who's 6'2 220. Though, he's still an effective player for the most part. So gritty in the sense that he's willing, but some would probably consider him not gritty in the sense that he is prone to losing those battles.

I think Rossi is the type of guy you have to look at as a whole player, rather than breaking down each individual trait. The type where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, which is due to his IQ.

Rossi's been 5'9 his whole adult life, and he's always seemed to adapt and thrive everywhere he goes. Some people think his size will limit his potential and growth and he'll top out sooner, I think his size means his growth is a longer process, as he learns and adapts to playing the NHL game against bigger and faster players, but I believe he'll learn and adapt and eventually thrive.

 

[IAHockey25]

Hey guys, I am here to do scouting for the Vancouver Canucks boards on Rossi

Can you guys give me the three best things about him and the three worst things about him as a hockey player?

Also, how is his character?
I also noticed he goes to the net a lot and gets most of the goals out front of the net, is he gritty out front of the net for his size?

I’m eagerly looking for your responses, thank you.

You will probably get varying answers because people are split on him and his upside.

Good:
Realiable
Goes to the net
Smart

Bad:
Not a play driver
Not great on faceoffs
Loses focus in D Zone

 

[Wabit]

Hey guys, I am here to do scouting for the Vancouver Canucks boards on Rossi

Can you guys give me the three best things about him and the three worst things about him as a hockey player?

Also, how is his character?
I also noticed he goes to the net a lot and gets most of the goals out front of the net, is he gritty out front of the net for his size?

I’m eagerly looking for your responses, thank you.

Bad:
small
not fast (average at best)
not good in the d-zone

Good: (basically all o-zone stuff)
Goes to the dirty areas in the o-zone
Supports talent well
Plays bigger than his size

Character:
Seems fine.
Willing to put in the work to get better.
Doesn't seem to be a guy to wear letter, but he's still pretty new so that can change.

My personal opinion:
he'd be better off as a winger than a center. Others disagree with this, but it's my take.

 

[IAHockey25]

Rossi was every bit as good as boldy the first 50 games of the year. I would not want to pay Boldy 10m. In fact Rossi at 7m is likely a better deal than Boldy at 10m

So which GM in NHL right now would take Rossi over Boldy?

 

[Spurgeon]

NHL Trade Rumors: New Team From Metro Division Linked To Wild's Marco Rossi

The Capitals are linked to Marco Rossi as they explore bold trade moves to stay competitive during Alex Ovechkin’s final seasons.

www.nhltraderumors.me

What pieces are of interest from the Caps?

Protas

 

[Spurgeon]

I think some of you are so stuck on Rossi and think that we have to just sign whatever his side wants because we’ve only developed 3 centers in 25 years.

Take a step back and look at the two teams playing for the Cup. Minnesota is not going to win a Cup with Rossi as a top 6 center. The only reason to sign him at all as a center is because he could be a decent 3C on a contender. What do 3Cs go for again?

Can’t wait for the

“But 60 points!!!!!!”
"But 23!!!!!"
"But he’s only the third center we’ve ever developed!!!!”

Why not?

 

[Canucks LB]

This is the easy one so I'll start here. His character is top notch. Very professional, great attitude, teammates love him, etc. Only knock here is I don't think he makes the music playlist for the locker room.

• He's very smart (hockey IQ), knows where to go on the ice, reads off his teammates very well
• Eager and willing to go to dirty areas
• Work ethic is great, he is absolutely willing to put in the work to improve himself, and I think he'll keep getting better over the next several seasons

• Outside his IQ, he doesn't really have any elite/standout traits- skating, passing, shooting all pretty average
• Small, obviously, which means despite being eager and willing to go to dirty areas, he is prone to being outmuscled or knocked off the puck
• His defense isn't great. He's not necessarily a liability or anything, especially looking at the complete package, but don't expect a good shutdown guy. He's definitely more offensively inclined. Think this is an area he can improve though.

As mentioned, he definitely has no problems going to the net, there were even times he was the net front guy last season battling the defender for position, but as also mentioned, his size and strength do limit him here compared to a guy who's 6'2 220. Though, he's still an effective player for the most part. So gritty in the sense that he's willing, but some would probably consider him not gritty in the sense that he is prone to losing those battles.

I think Rossi is the type of guy you have to look at as a whole player, rather than breaking down each individual trait. The type where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, which is due to his IQ.

Rossi's been 5'9 his whole adult life, and he's always seemed to adapt and thrive everywhere he goes. Some people think his size will limit his potential and growth and he'll top out sooner, I think his size means his growth is a longer process, as he learns and adapts to playing the NHL game against bigger and faster players, but I believe he'll learn and adapt and eventually thrive.

This has been great thanks!

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I think some of us are so stuck not being able to see the forest for the trees here. We're so focused on what Rossi isn't, that we're not really seeing what he is. Stuck on single traits like size or speed, that we're not realizing that simply having those traits doesn't necessarily mean you're a better player, or will be a better player.

Take a step back and look at what Rossi is holistically, and a lot of the names being brought up, despite being bigger or faster, or maybe even both, are not better players overall, and don't have higher ceilings than Rossi does moving forward. If Rossi is a 75+ point center on our first line, swapping him for a 45 point 3C or a 55-60 point 2W doesn't automatically make us a better team.

I want to keep him.

 

[AKL]

I want to keep him.

Yeah there are definitely some that do

 

[Tally Tiger Shark]

I just think a 7x7 deal in this economy is going to be so valuable. It’s not like we’re going to have an easy solution at center to replace him. Sign him to 7x7, play him top 6 again, and a year from now people will be killing themselves to trade for that deal when Bennett is making 9.

While I have no problem trading him, I’m starting to think this is the best option. I think Marco will continue to get better, but I do think we need to get bigger and more physical in the center of the ice. That piece of the puzzle just might have to come later. I would try to talk him down a little from the 7 million in hopes I could get him closer to six, but I’m leaning towards definitely signing him. But I definitely want to sign Brock Boeser, Ehlers or another scoring forward. If I’ve got to trade someone else to do that to make cap room, then I hope they do so. Signing Rossi and calling it a day is not gonna get it done.

 

[f7ben]

So which GM in NHL right now would take Rossi over Boldy?

It’s Rossi and 3M according to your arbitrary hypothetical

 

[Tally Tiger Shark]

I think some of us are so stuck not being able to see the forest for the trees here. We're so focused on what Rossi isn't, that we're not really seeing what he is. Stuck on single traits like size or speed, that we're not realizing that simply having those traits doesn't necessarily mean you're a better player, or will be a better player.

Take a step back and look at what Rossi is holistically, and a lot of the names being brought up, despite being bigger or faster, or maybe even both, are not better players overall, and don't have higher ceilings than Rossi does moving forward. If Rossi is a 75+ point center on our first line, swapping him for a 45 point 3C or a 55-60 point 2W doesn't automatically make us a better team.

Very good post that is so true. Rossi put up a lot of production without the most gifted players around him the whole time. And there is absolutely nothing that says he shouldn’t improve. They need to sign him, but I want Boeser or Ehlers as well so someone else is gonna have to go to make room for that to happen.

 

[IAHockey25]

It’s Rossi and 3M according to your arbitrary hypothetical

Correct....

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I think some of you are so stuck on Rossi and think that we have to just sign whatever his side wants because we’ve only developed 3 centers in 25 years.

Take a step back and look at the two teams playing for the Cup. Minnesota is not going to win a Cup with Rossi as a top 6 center. The only reason to sign him at all as a center is because he could be a decent 3C on a contender. What do 3Cs go for again?

Can’t wait for the

“But 60 points!!!!!!”
"But 23!!!!!"
"But he’s only the third center we’ve ever developed!!!!”

Difference is the McDavids, Draisaitls and Barkovs, which Rossi isn’t going to prevent us from getting anyway.

 

[Spurgeon]

Very good post that is so true. Rossi put up a lot of production without the most gifted players around him the whole time. And there is absolutely nothing that says he shouldn’t improve. They need to sign him, but I want Boeser or Ehlers as well so someone else is gonna have to go to make room for that to happen.

I want Boeser more so than Ehlers. Ehlers is pretty frequently hurt & his playoff production is disappointing. I also think Ehlers is going to cost more.

A RH goal-scoring threat would be nice for the PP. As much as I like Hartman, it’s felt like a while since we’ve had any RH forward that was an offensive threat. Boeser isn’t a useless player defensively either. I don’t want him at $8M though, so I hope he’s one of the few players that actually takes a hometown discount.

 

[ctmagic]

I want Boeser more so than Ehlers. Ehlers is pretty frequently hurt & his playoff production is disappointing. I also think Ehlers is going to cost more.

Both are made of glass.

 

[keppel146]

Rossi

for

Schmaltz and Beaudoin

I believe Schmaltz has a limited NTC so there’s that.

I’d rather have a 4thOA or 9thOA.

 

[Spurgeon]

Both are made of glass.

Boeser really hasn’t missed many games in his career. Good playoff numbers the two times he’s been.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Why not?

Top 6 centers on contenders are high end players with high end qualities or abilities. Rossi is a guy that does everything around average, with no high end ability.