Player Discussion Marco Rossi

[KaprizovSaveUs]

I don’t know that the offer sheet will happen. I don’t think many teams are going to be lining up to sign him to a big long term contract. I don’t think they would risk doing a short term offer sheet given we could easily match. I think the most likely outcome is we trade him and he signs some sort of bridge with a team he feels he’s going to have a big role with.

 

[57special]

Don't f*** it up, Guerin. Don't understand why you drafted him in the first place... you always knew he was short.

I think it's important that BG doesn't get locked in to a getting a similar roster player(age, production, position) in return. Take the best deal, even if it means a high draft pick + prospect/older roster player. Still think the thing to do is sign him to a cheaper bridge deal, though that idiot loser Hynes made that tougher due his dumbass lineup decisions during the playoffs.

I completely understand not wanting to give Rossi a 7x7M+ deal at this point, and wanting Rossi to show that he can repeat as a 60 pt. C.

 

[57special]

I don’t know that the offer sheet will happen. I don’t think many teams are going to be lining up to sign him to a big long term contract. I don’t think they would risk doing a short term offer sheet given we could easily match. I think the most likely outcome is we trade him and he signs some sort of bridge with a team he feels he’s going to have a big role with.

Yah, that's what I see. Rossi is probably completely disillusioned with MN after working his ass off in previous summers, and delivering on ice, for the most part.

 

[KaprizovSaveUs]

Yah, that's what I see. Rossi is probably completely disillusioned with MN after working his ass off in previous summers, and delivering on ice, for the most part.

There’s zero chance if I’m Rossi that I come back unless it’s a long term deal at a number I like.

 

[57special]

There’s zero chance if I’m Rossi that I come back unless it’s a long term deal at a number I like.

 

[ctmagic]

Starting to temper my expectations on what the return might be.

 

[BagHead]

Don't f*** it up, Guerin. Don't understand why you drafted him in the first place... you always knew he was short.

I think it's important that BG doesn't get locked in to a getting a similar roster player(age, production, position) in return. Take the best deal, even if it means a high draft pick + prospect/older roster player. Still think the thing to do is sign him to a cheaper bridge deal, though that idiot loser Hynes made that tougher due his dumbass lineup decisions during the playoffs.

I completely understand not wanting to give Rossi a 7x7M+ deal at this point, and wanting Rossi to show that he can repeat as a 60 pt. C.

I don't have a problem with Guerin drafting players that don't fit his long-term vision for roster creation, as sometimes those are the best player available, which seems to be the case with Rossi. The key is getting the best value possible for that asset once you've developed them. If he does that, I'm fine with it.

 

[57special]

I don't have a problem with Guerin drafting players that don't fit his long-term vision for roster creation, as sometimes those are the best player available, which seems to be the case with Rossi. The key is getting the best value possible for that asset once you've developed them. If he does that, I'm fine with it.

Lundell was sitting right there.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Guerin will settle for his type of guy, we’ll have yet another guy for the 3rd line and even less top 6 scoring until we overpay for Nelson/Boeser.

 

[ctmagic]

Lundell was sitting right there.

So was Rossi.

 

[Saga of the Elk]

It's funny to think that Lundell was much more a prototypically Wild pick: a Finn with a strong defensive conscience and a lower offensive upside. Instead they go for a high offensive upside player but when he looks to get paid in line with the market, it's bedtime for Bonzo.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I'd go with Jarvis over Lundell, easily.

 

[Saga of the Elk]

I'd go with Jarvis over Lundell, easily.

I assume that's what Ian Pulver thinks as well

 

[ctmagic]

It's funny to think that Lundell was much more a prototypically Wild pick: a Finn with a strong defensive conscience and a lower offensive upside. Instead they go for a high offensive upside player but when he looks to get paid in line with the market, it's bedtime for Bonzo.

Just finished a podcast that did a deep dive on Lundell as a possible fantasy sleeper next year with Bennett most likely on his way out. Numbers showed he did not produce much more when afforded opportunities to play higher in the lineup and that he’s actually been regressing offensively. He doesn’t get his shot through on net, doesn’t get into high danger areas, and has his shot blocked frequently. Anyone that believes that he’d replicate what Rossi has done this season given the same opportunity is probably wrong. Rossi has 70 point potential at least and Lundell looks to be a career 3c that can play up in a pinch. Rossi was the right pick at the time it’s just unfortunate that his trade value has taken a hit in how things transpired end of season.

 

[BagHead]

Lundell was sitting right there.

Do you consider Lundell to be as good as Rossi?
Today? Draft day?

 

[HotDish]

Lundell was sitting right there.

He was my pick for that year! however, that was mostly because I didn't think Rossi would be there to draft.

 

[keppel146]

Starting to temper my expectations on what the return might be.

Probably crappy.

 

[keppel146]

Guerin will settle for his type of guy, we’ll have yet another guy for the 3rd line and even less top 6 scoring until we overpay for Nelson/Boeser.

100%. He settled for Stramel over a number of guys.

 

[57special]

Do you consider Lundell to be as good as Rossi?
Today? Draft day?

I liked Lundell a lot. There were a lot of criticisms of his skating that I didn't agree with. Rossi... i didn't have a strong opinion on. Draftniks seemed to dismiss his size concerns, citing how strong his bottom half was. He looked to me like a guy who wouldn't grow much anymore- some thought he could put on inches, as well as weight, even though he was pretty thick in his draft year.

The point isn't what i thought back in 2020, though. It's what Guerin thought. If he liked Rossi because of his offensive skill, then fine. Just don't come back 5 years later and say he's too small, despite him showing really some nice offensive results. He already knew that he was small! The guy got as buff as possible in the intervening years, as well as improving the other parts of his game... is he supposed to go for height extension surgery?

If he wanted a bigger, defensively excellent C then he could've picked Lundell. Expecting a big, defensively sound, physical C with a 70 pt. ceiling in that, or most drafts, is delusional.

Oh, and I think we should keep Rossi. To me, he's an improved version of MiG. Preferring Gaudreau or Hartman over him is crazy, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[BagHead]

I liked Lundell a lot. There were a lot of criticisms of his skating that I didn't agree with. Rossi... i didn't have a strong opinion on. Draftniks seemed to dismiss his size concerns, citing how strong his bottom half was. He looked to me like a guy who wouldn't grow much anymore- some thought he could put on inches, as well as weight, even though he was pretty thick in his draft year.

The point isn't what i thought back in 2020, though. It's what Guerin thought. If he liked Rossi because of his offensive skill, then fine. Just don't come back 5 years later and say he's too small, despite him showing really some nice offensive results. He already knew that he was small! The guy got as buff as possible in the intervening years, as well as improving the other parts of his game... is he supposed to go for height extension surgery?

If he wanted a bigger, defensively excellent C then he could've picked Lundell. Expecting a big, defensively sound, physical C with a 70 pt. ceiling in that, or most drafts, is delusional.

Oh, and I think we should keep Rossi. To me, he's an improved version of MiG. Preferring Gaudreau or Hartman over him is crazy, as far as I'm concerned.

I appreciate you sharing your viewpoint on it. Personally, I still prefer them to take the guy that doesn't fit their vision, but is likely higher skilled, but there are strengths to what you suggest as well, specifically that you get roughly what you are looking for in a single step. Adding a step via trading the player you drafted is a chance to lose the extra value you netted, anyway (or gain even more, but it's still a risk).

 

[ctmagic]

Maybe BG was hoping he’d develop more FU in his game at it hasn’t happened rofl Who knows, maybe if he could see 5 years into the future he drafts someone else. I’d rather a GM be decisive if they need to move on than force something that doesn’t fit the vision. As a fan I like Rossi, wanna see him continue to reach his potential in a wild sweater. We as fans get attached to these prospects sometimes. Rossi is an easy guy to root for and I’ll stay a fan no matter where he goes. If traded, I hope it works out for both sides.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

If Rossi regresses to a 50 point player next year, is he worth $7M to people here?

 

[57special]

If Rossi regresses to a 50 point player next year, is he worth $7M to people here?

He is worse less, just like if he scores 70 he's worth more. Keep in mind that the cap is increasing, so value don't stay the same year over year.

If Rossi gets OS'ed for 7M(I'm assuming that any less we match) would those around here be happy with a 2026 1st, 2nd, and 3rd? Picks from teams at the top of the standings are worth way less than picks from cellar dwellers, so it really matters who the picks are from.

 

[ctmagic]

If Rossi regresses to a 50 point player next year, is he worth $7M to people here?

There’d have to be more context to answer that. TOI, linemates, PP deployment….

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I really don't think Guerin had much to do with the 2020 draft.

It was his first draft, and Brackett's first draft here, and wasn't the reason he left Vancouver was that he was being meddled with during their drafts?