Might be reasonable for a young player with room to get better. 6 or 6.5 depending on the number of years seems good too.
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Might be reasonable for a young player with room to get better. 6 or 6.5 depending on the number of years seems good too.
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Well he was a 70 point center when he was playing first line and on the PP so I don't see why he couldn't be a 60 point center going forward playing second line, if we get actual second line wingers to flank him.
But if their plan is to use some combination of Johansson, Foligno, Gaudreau, Hartman as second liners like they did this year? No, he probably wouldn't be. But then, if that's their plan, it doesn't matter much who they pay to do what because that team isn't going anywhere.
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To steal from purple daily, I have some “reckless speculation” on the Philly Foerster or 1st both being rejected and STG saying that it wasn’t Philly that put it out to the media and that it came from the Wild…
What if the Wild put that out there as a means of driving his signing price down? They obviously don’t want to pay him $7M and Pagnotta just so happened to break that Rossi was looking for 7x7 in a tweet referencing the Foerster/1st thing.
If that is the case, Guerin is playing a dangerous game.
What if the Wild put that out there as a means of driving his signing price down? They obviously don’t want to pay him $7M and Pagnotta just so happened to break that Rossi was looking for 7x7 in a tweet referencing the Foerster/1st thing.
If that is the case, Guerin is playing a dangerous game.
DeagleJenkins
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So it’s possible BG is making a big brain move? Interesting… it may be dangerous but it is something that I would consider a decent gm uses as a tactic. Shady or not.
I think Utah, Philly, Pens & Detroit are probably the most likely landing spot for Rossi.
I could see Guerin pulling the trigger on a Copp/Compher/Tarasenko + first round pick for Rossi trade. I think he wants to avoid RFA.
I could see Guerin pulling the trigger on a Copp/Compher/Tarasenko + first round pick for Rossi trade. I think he wants to avoid RFA.
Dr Jan Itor
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I said this on the trade board, but I think Tampa Bay would be good spot for him to land. 2nd line center behind Point, pushes Cirelli down to a matchup 3C; Tampa can put 1 really good winger with him in Guentzel or Hagel. Tampa could use a shot of youth into their group as well. Maybe they can keep Rossi at a lower $ amount with the state tax thing.
How do we feel about Conor Geekie and Isaac Howard coming back? 2 near-NHLers.
How do we feel about Conor Geekie and Isaac Howard coming back? 2 near-NHLers.
Compher/Copp/Tarasenko + first round pick for Rossi is nothing I would do but I couod see Guerin pulling the trigger based on his "getting help for Ek" talk.
This indicates that he's looking for veteran center help & not prospects.
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DeagleJenkins
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That at least sounds like a reasonable trade acquisition. Fits us better than a 2025 1st
If Guerin still has doubts about Rossi, then do a 2x 5M deal on a prove it deal. If he has two more 60-70 point seasons, then you sign him to a 7x 8.5M, or something like that, on a contract that takes him into his early 30's. I can see Rossi being a bit reluctant, as he might not trust Hynes to give him opportunities, but I can also see him being even more motivated to improve.
Things have gotten a bit messy due to Hynes lineup choices during the playoffs, but cooler heads should prevail. Rossi is still under team control. His only options besides signing a deal with the team are sitting out(never gonna happen), or signing an OS(we will match anything under under 7M).
I am not opposed to trading Rossi for another young, top 6 forward(hopefully a C) with a 60+ pt. season or two under his belt, but those are hard to find unless they have "issues". Guerin has to be careful about not painting himself into a corner so he feels he has to trade Rossi.
Rising cap or not, I don’t view Rossi as someone I’d be looking at locking up at $7x7.
There is a reality where you are uncomfortable with Rossi being paid as a top 3-5 player on this roster (which he is not that type of player, and if he is, team is going nowhere) while also calling into question the seemingly preconceived uneasiness playoff deployment the team displayed. That’s where I find myself. I think the Wild brass have rightly determined that this is a player that cannot be one in a position that they need to lean on if they have any notion of truly competing for a championship. What they have done to this point in managing an asset to get the most value out of someone they do not see a future for can absolutely be called into question.
Until this settles I am not ready to be that worked up about it and I guess the main reason for that is I just don’t see Rossi as that type of player that you can feature on a high level team. However, this franchise is living proof of not being so quick to toss aside a ~60pt center.
There is a reality where you are uncomfortable with Rossi being paid as a top 3-5 player on this roster (which he is not that type of player, and if he is, team is going nowhere) while also calling into question the seemingly preconceived uneasiness playoff deployment the team displayed. That’s where I find myself. I think the Wild brass have rightly determined that this is a player that cannot be one in a position that they need to lean on if they have any notion of truly competing for a championship. What they have done to this point in managing an asset to get the most value out of someone they do not see a future for can absolutely be called into question.
Until this settles I am not ready to be that worked up about it and I guess the main reason for that is I just don’t see Rossi as that type of player that you can feature on a high level team. However, this franchise is living proof of not being so quick to toss aside a ~60pt center.
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From the recent Athletic article there are two sticking points: one is obviously the money and term but the second one is Rossi's deployment in the lineup and that might be the far bigger sticking point for getting a contract done. Rossi and his agent clearly see the player in a top 6 role and if the Wild cannot commit to that I cannot see a deal being done, especially a bridge type deal. I am pretty sure that the money right now is not the issue at all. It's the commitment to giving Rossi a spot in the top 6 and planning with him there that will get this deal done or not. Nothing else.
Since the Wild are entering their "win now" period they have to be absolutely sure their second line center is a piece to a possible Championship and while Rossi has been playing very good he is missing a year of development which means a year of proving if he could be that guy. A year of BG being able to make up his mind about the skilled but undersized guy. This might explain also why they drafted him in the first place - with another year of professional hockey under his belt the assessment of Rossi as a piece of a contender could be quite a bit clearer than it is now.
Since the Wild are entering their "win now" period they have to be absolutely sure their second line center is a piece to a possible Championship and while Rossi has been playing very good he is missing a year of development which means a year of proving if he could be that guy. A year of BG being able to make up his mind about the skilled but undersized guy. This might explain also why they drafted him in the first place - with another year of professional hockey under his belt the assessment of Rossi as a piece of a contender could be quite a bit clearer than it is now.
Normally 2 years of NHL experience should be enough to evaluate a player to decide if u wanna resign him or not. But it's true: Rossi's lost one devlopement year due COVID-19 so it's more difficult to judge even if rossi has improved every year so far. But why should this improvement should stop now at the age of 23?
I'm pretty much sure that Guerin is gonna trade him. His message at the press conference was clear: He wants to add veteran center depth behind Ek, so they only would keep Rossi if he's gonna sign a lowball offer in $ and term. Thats not gonna happen, Rossi derserves a payday now because of his performance at NHL level so far.
Dr Jan Itor
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I don’t get why Rossi has the impression the team wouldn’t deploy him in a top 6 role. He earned the demotion to the 4th line leading up to and in game 1 of the playoffs with his play (injury related or not), but that doesn’t mean they view him as a bottom 6 player. His regular season minutes are top 6 amongst forwards in TOI per game (second to Ek at center) and top 4 in even strength TOI per game (more than Ek).
That is true. But a guy like Nyquist (and a few others) also earned a huge demotion, but didn’t get it. In fact, Hynes came out right away and defended Nyquist. Can you imagine if it were Rossi's lazy play that was responsible for that offside that took away that OT winning goal putting us up 3-1 in the series?
If I were Rossi, could I absolutely trust that they would deploy me in the rightful spots when others were given different treatment? This past postseason really had to have eroded some trust. JMO.
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MrRuin
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I am just trying to shed some light onto what is the possible problem in him signing a contract. However if the Wild do not see him as a bottom 6 player in their coming lineup then it should not be hard to commit to him right? A 7mil 2nd line center on a contender is not a bad deal at all. So why are they not commiting? Herein lies the problem.
It could really impact Rossi's career if he gets limited minutes. And if you base future years of a contract on a couple of games then that's a problem by itself. But again...I am pretty sure that is the sticking point right now.
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