Player Discussion Marco Rossi

[Minnewildsota]

It's not the Christians, no no no, but those short Christians on the other hand. Anyone below 5'10" is very very bad!

I wonder if Rossi wears a cross and it just blinds Guerin and Guerin can't get too close to Rossi or he'll be burned from it.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

lol, then why accuse people of it? It's not constructive.

I was being hyperbolic to show how obnoxious people in the pro Rossi crowd come off as.

There was also a "report" that Guerin just didn't want to pay him more than Boldy, then another "report" later that they actually only offered 5 x $5M.

I'm talking about actual comparable player signings.

You compared him to a winger that signed recently. Freudian slip on your part or do you have a 5’9” center signing recently to compare him to?

 

[Spurgeon]

For real reasons why Rossi may be in the doghouse. Am I the only one that has noticed Rossi being lazy on the backcheck a handful of times on plays that resulted in a GA? I have a feeling this is one of the reasons Guerin/Hynes may want to move on from him.

It’s hard to witness how often this happens when watching a TV broadcast, but I know I complained about it maybe 5-6 times in a GDT.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

You compared him to a winger that signed recently. Freudian slip on your part or do you have a 5’9” center signing recently to compare him to?

No slip. You can take signings that aren't inch-for-inch and pound-for-pound and position-for-position the same and apply critical thinking. A 5'10" winger and a 5'9" center probably aren't canyons apart, if you'll allow me to express some critical thinking on the matter.

I have 2 benchmark points with Coronato and Johnston, maybe another 1 with Foerster though bridges are tough to compare. There will be more coming up, I'm sure. It's all about coming up with a reasonable idea based on the evidence available.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

For real reasons why Rossi may be in the doghouse. Am I the only one that has noticed Rossi being lazy on the backcheck a handful of times on plays that resulted in a GA? I have a feeling this is one of the reasons Guerin/Hynes may want to move on from him.

It’s hard to witness how often this happens when watching a TV broadcast, but I know I complained about it maybe 5-6 times in a GDT.

I guess if you can also show everybody else doing nothing but busting ass on backcheck, then maybe, but I'm guessing he's not special in that regard.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

I’m not arguing, it’s called a discussion. No need for hostility at all. You are claiming he was bad the last two months and in the playoffs. Gaudreau also was yet never lost his spot. How is that not valid? Wingers and roster construction be damned as the HC is an idiot and appears to think youth isn’t good enough to overcome aged experience…

Gaudreau was demoted. According to game 1 lines, Gaudreau was listed as the 2C between Zucc and Johansson, Rossi the 3C between Foligno and Nyquist, and Hartman between Trenin and Brazeau. Hartman was promoted to 2C at some point in game 1, which bumped Gaudreau to 3C and Rossi to 4C.

 

[MNRube]

For real reasons why Rossi may be in the doghouse. Am I the only one that has noticed Rossi being lazy on the backcheck a handful of times on plays that resulted in a GA? I have a feeling this is one of the reasons Guerin/Hynes may want to move on from him.

It’s hard to witness how often this happens when watching a TV broadcast, but I know I complained about it maybe 5-6 times in a GDT.

He’s got no motor. Haven’t noticed the back checking thing, but I have noticed a hesitation to forecheck and a disinterest in engaging physically. Can’t be small, slow and soft.

I just wish we had deployed him in a way to maximize his trade value. But oh well.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I was being hyperbolic to show how obnoxious people in the pro Rossi crowd come off as.

As long as you don't actually believe that the pro Rossi crowd thinks of him as a PPG 2-way stud, I guess that's a step in the right direction.

 

[ctmagic]

What about a deal around Rossi and McCann? Throw in a retained Burakovsky too for good measure… That’d be some ‘win now’ scoring depth. McCann is 28, Bura 30….

Neither are righties though.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

What about a deal around Rossi and McCann? Throw in a retained Burakovsky too for good measure… That’d be some ‘win now’ scoring depth. McCann is 28, Bura 30….

Neither are righties though.

In a world of underwhelming options, I don't exactly hate it. He's a really good player.

I'm not wild about the 2 years and then another contract at 30 years old, but I think we could do a lot worse. Put him into the #2LW spot and we still have another ~$8M to work with.

Not sure what Seattle does with Rossi though, with Beniers and Wright already there.

 

[ctmagic]

In a world of underwhelming options, I don't exactly hate it. He's a really good player.

I'm not wild about the 2 years and then another contract at 30 years old, but I think we could do a lot worse. Put him into the #2LW spot and we still have another ~$8M to work with.

Not sure what Seattle does with Rossi though, with Beniers and Wright already there.

Kraken were one of the rumored teams to be in on Rossi. I don’t really see them moving Wright or Berniers for Rossi but who knows….

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Kraken were one of the rumored teams to be in on Rossi. I don’t really see them moving Wright or Berniers for Rossi but who knows….

Yeah, I wasn't suggesting they'd move them, just that they have them as their now and future top 6 centers already.

 

[ctmagic]

I’m with ya. If they were hot on Rossi, does that mean they’d want to move one of their two young centers? Rossi doesn’t seem like a fit unless they are ready to lock in Berniers as nothing but a defensive middle 6 C. Wild have one of the best defensive rosters on hockey, I’d hope we wouldn’t move Rossi for a guy like Berniers, we desperately need offense especially with Rossi moving out…

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Would you swap Rossi for Lafreniere?

 

[Saga of the Elk]

Would you swap Rossi for Lafreniere?

Yes. Reasonable hit and cost certainty for a player of his skill level who might do much better in a different environment. His trade protection doesn't kick in for a couple of seasons either so you would have that window. Can play both wings and has a little bit more size and jam than Rossi.

 

[MNRube]

Yes. Reasonable hit and cost certainty for a player of his skill level who might do much better in a different environment. His trade protection doesn't kick in for a couple of seasons either so you would have that window. Can play both wings and has a little bit more size and jam than Rossi.

Wouldn’t love it, but he does have 35+ ESP the last three seasons. I’d prefer McCann and most the other recent Rossi swap suggestions. I don’t see a ton of upside with Laf anymore.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Would you swap Rossi for Lafreniere?

2024-25: most TOI with Trocheck and Panarin, 43 ES points
2023-24: most TOI with Panarin and Trocheck, 51 ES points
2022-23: most TOI with Kaako and Chytil, 35 ES points

For reference, Boldy:
2024-25: 52 ES points
2023-24: 44 ES points (75 games)
2022-23: 37 ES points

Rossi 34 and 44 ES points last 2 season.

Assuming Rossi being gone is a foregone conclusion, probably yes.

 

[Saga of the Elk]

Wouldn’t love it, but he does have 35+ ESP the last three seasons. I’d prefer McCann and most the other recent Rossi swap suggestions. I don’t see a ton of upside with Laf anymore.

Jared Mccann? I'll just say a few other teams didn't see much upside with him in his early 20s but guys often improve with a few years of league experience. (Same reason I think it's a mistake to trade Rossi this summer.)

 

[Masch78]

Ducks fan and Austrian here. Just wondering why Rossi fell so out of favour. Thanks for your information in advance.

 

[north21]

Ducks fan and Austrian here. Just wondering why Rossi fell so out of favour. Thanks for your information in advance.

Basically just being small and trying to learn to be better defensively. For the most part we all love him and thought he had a great year. The whole situation kind of sucks bit management seems desperate to trade him.

 

[KaprizovSaveUs]

Ducks fan and Austrian here. Just wondering why Rossi fell so out of favour. Thanks for your information in advance.

I don’t think MIN think you can win with him as a PP1, top 6 center. They wouldn’t mind keeping him and playing him more middle six minutes and having him run PP2, but they don’t want to pay him based off production he got in a PP1, 1st line role to play him in a lesser role.

 

[Masch78]

I don’t think MIN think you can win with him as a PP1, top 6 center. They wouldn’t mind keeping him and playing him more middle six minutes and having him run PP2, but they don’t want to pay him based off production he got in a PP1, 1st line role to play him in a lesser role.

Is 7m really considered first line money going forward?

 

[KaprizovSaveUs]

Is 7m really considered first line money going forward?

Not necessarily but probably a lot for a middle six c playing second powerplay

 

[Luceni]

Not necessarily but probably a lot for a middle six c playing second powerplay

With the cap space going up and that dead cap for Parise/Suter disappearing, 7 mil for a young 60 point center should be a no brainer imo.

 

[KaprizovSaveUs]

With the cap space going up and that dead cap for Parise/Suter disappearing, 7 mil for a young 60 point center should be a no brainer imo.

Is a 60 point center playing middle six and second powerplay though?