Player Discussion Marco Rossi

[Dr Jan Itor]

Boldy is a significantly better player than Rossi.

Rossi is barely a 60 point player at this point.

Coronato isn't even a 50 point player and he got 7 x $6.5M

It's not about whether Rossi is worth 7 x $7M (or a bit more), it's about whether one (you, me, Guerin) wants to give him what he's worth.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Absolutely fair point but even when deployed with scrubs for 8 minutes per night playing a physical team in the post season he still managed to produce

True, but there's no $9-$10M in his future if he has 42 points playing 3rd line LW with Brock Nelson and Marcus Foligno and no PP.

 

[ctmagic]

With where the cap is heading you could see plugs like Trenin being paid same or more than Rossi in like year 4-5 of that deal while he’s in his prime.

I think 7x7 is fair but if I’m Rossi I’d take the 5x2 and bet on myself. If he improves from where’s he’s at now in any meaningful way he’s getting 9-10m on a long term deal else where and he doesn’t have to deal with disgusting inept shitstains like Hynes or Guerin as an added bonus.

Betting on yourself gets sketchy when you don’t trust the organization you play for will put you in a position to succeed. If I’m Rossi, I’m exploring all my options including offer sheets.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

5x5
7x7

Meet in the middle at 6x6

I don't think the org can really defend a 5 x $5M offer, so I don't really know why Rossi would have to move halfway toward it.

 

[Tally Tiger Shark]

I don't think the org can really defend a 5 x $5M offer, so I don't really know why Rossi would have to move halfway toward it.

I agree. And if I’m Rossi, unless I just really love my teammates, why do I want to play for BG and JH at this point when they have made their feelings about me pretty crystal? If I’m Marco, I stick to my guns on the 7x7 and either get that deal, force the trade or take the offer sheet that is coming, which I can almost guarantee will be closer to the 7x7 than the 5x5. Worst case scenario for Rossi is he gets traded to Buffalo or San Jose, and either of them is going to be able to pay him more than the Wild.

 

[f7ben]

What a disgusting situation the idiots running this team have put us in. Once again devaluing the asset they intended to move on from for petty reasons.

 

[Sweetnut]

I agree. And if I’m Rossi, unless I just really love my teammates, why do I want to play for BG and JH at this point when they have made their feelings about me pretty crystal? If I’m Marco, I stick to my guns on the 7x7 and either get that deal, force the trade or take the offer sheet that is coming, which I can almost guarantee will be closer to the 7x7 than the 5x5. Worst case scenario for Rossi is he gets traded to Buffalo or San Jose, and either of them is going to be able to pay him more than the Wild.

So it's all about the winning, no?

 

[keppel146]

Worst case scenario, sign him to a contract, showcase him, and then move him later after you inflate his value.

I think the problem is Guerin's ego is bigger than his brain. He doesn't wanna play the game. He already said he doesn't try to win trades. I don't trust him at all to actually get full value for Rossi because he doesn't value him like he should and he's not smart enough to try to get more value out of a trade.

He does the same thing with contracts. Won't budge an inch if he isn't enamored with a player, but when he is (Foligno), he'll overpay instantly as his initial offer to the guy.

I've said before, I don't think any of these things are necessarily bad qualities in a GM, but I do believe Guerin is terrible at evaluating players and and what's needed to win, and that's what makes the aforementioned a dangerous quality.

Too bad BG stuck him on the 4th line lol.

 

[AKL]

Too bad BG stuck him on the 4th line lol.

That's what I'm saying, they have no idea how to handle assets. Boston put the moves on Guerin with Brazeau by playing him up the lineup and on the PP to make him appealing as a trade target, Guerin got hoodwinked and made the move for him before finding out he's nowhere near good enough to be on an NHL roster.

Guerin and Hynes can't figure out how to do something like that with a 23 year old 60 point center.

 

[keppel146]

That's what I'm saying, they have no idea how to handle assets. Boston put the moves on Guerin with Brazeau by playing him up the lineup and on the PP to make him appealing as a trade target, Guerin got hoodwinked and made the move for him before finding out he's nowhere near good enough to be on an NHL roster.

Guerin and Hynes can't figure out how to do something like that with a 23 year old 60 point center.

I would agree with the fact that if we’re looking to trade a 23 yo in the offseason, to then play him high in the lineup. Makes no sense.

 

[Sweetnut]

That's what I'm saying, they have no idea how to handle assets. Boston put the moves on Guerin with Brazeau by playing him up the lineup and on the PP to make him appealing as a trade target, Guerin got hoodwinked and made the move for him before finding out he's nowhere near good enough to be on an NHL roster.

Guerin and Hynes can't figure out how to do something like that with a 23 year old 60 point center.

Yeah, that's what I've been saying. A con job. And of course, the sucker that went for it had to be our boneheaded GM.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Tough for Rossi to take a bridge deal not knowing how he's going to be deployed.

Tough for Rossi to take a long-term deal without getting every dollar that he can, no knowing if he'll be traded to anywhere in a year.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Coronato isn't even a 50 point player and he got 7 x $6.5M

It's not about whether Rossi is worth 7 x $7M (or a bit more), it's about whether one (you, me, Guerin) wants to give him what he's worth.

Let’s not twist it. It’s 100% about if Rossi is worth $7M.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

I don't think the org can really defend a 5 x $5M offer, so I don't really know why Rossi would have to move halfway toward it.

Bye bye Rossi

 

[kfan22]

Would anyone be up for Rossi for Larkin? if so would Wild need to add? Larkin is 5 years older so it would be a small add

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Too bad BG stuck him on the 4th line lol.

He literally played like ass for the last 2 months of the regular season and the first two games of the playoffs. Some of you are rewriting history like he didn’t deserve to be demoted. He 100% did deserve to be demoted. Games 1 and 2 in the playoffs were so bad that I’m surprised they didn’t sit his ass in the pressbox.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Would anyone be up for Rossi for Larkin? if so would Wild need to add? Larkin is 5 years older so it would be a small add

It would take a large add and Larkin waiving his no trade clause.

 

[KaprizovSaveUs]

Kaprizov being out was made up for by Rossi being put on the top power play unit.

Hartman’s season was actually better than Rossi’s past season. People shouldn’t forget, Hartman did not get to play on the top PP that season despite being the 1C. Almost all of his points were even strength points. If you compare everyone on the Wild from 2021 to present, Hartman’s 21-22 season sits third amongst all of those players with 57 even strength points. That’s behind only Kaprizov (21-22) and Fiala (21-22) and ahead of Kaprizov (23-24) and Boldy (24-25).

I still don’t understand how you can pump Rossi’s tires so hard on the main boards but then come back here and act like he’s dog water haha. I mean I like to argue as much as the next guy but still

 

[kfan22]

It would take a large add and Larkin waiving his no trade clause.

what do you think it would take and would you do it?

 

[ref19]

If Billy thinks the dreaded Treniyawn is worth 3.5, why wouldn't Rossi be worth the double amount?

Trenin was a rockstar in his role in the playoffs.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

I still don’t understand how you can pump Rossi’s tires so hard on the main boards but then come back here and act like he’s dog water haha. I mean I like to argue as much as the next guy but still

It’s cause here people treat him like he’s a ppg 2 way stud that never does anything wrong and lives under the tyranny of Hynes and Guerin. On the main boards people treat him like he’s an ant that will be squashed under any 6’ player’s boot and he only scores points because of Kaprizov. I got problems with both.

My answer for what his value, role, cost have been pretty consistent.
Value: Peterka or similar level offensive forward
Role: 2nd line winger that can flex into a center role. He’s a mini version of Ek, but slower, more offensively inclined, less defensively able, etc.
Cost: Nothing more than $7M AAV

 

[AKL]

It’s cause here people treat him like he’s a ppg 2 way stud that never does anything wrong and lives under the tyranny of Hynes and Guerin.

I actually don't think a single person does this, I think you just don't like when we get upset about him not being treated fairly by a coach and GM who very obviously don't like him.

 

[keppel146]

He literally played like ass for the last 2 months of the regular season and the first two games of the playoffs. Some of you are rewriting history like he didn’t deserve to be demoted. He 100% did deserve to be demoted. Games 1 and 2 in the playoffs were so bad that I’m surprised they didn’t sit his ass in the pressbox.

But let’s just dismiss the double standard by not demoting the others who deserved it. So yeah, he should have played top 6.

 

[keppel146]

I actually don't think a single person does this, I think you just don't like when we get upset about him not being treated fairly by a coach and GM who very obviously don't like him.

The fact that other guys should have got benched, but didn’t, is proof they mistreated Rossi.

Probable Guerin to Rossi interaction: “yeah you missed your sisters wedding, like I asked, but do you see me here giving a f***? She’ll probably get married again anyway”.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

I actually don't think a single person does this, I think you just don't like when we get upset about him not being treated fairly by a coach and GM who very obviously don't like him.

Like I said, they think he lives under the tyranny of Hynes and Guerin.