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What he brings as a whole player right now is worth 7x7. Any amount he improves after this year is the cherry on top. And I don't know why we'd assume he's done improving when he hasn't shown any reason to believe he is.
Player Discussion Marco Rossi
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What he brings as a whole player right now is worth 7x7. Any amount he improves after this year is the cherry on top. And I don't know why we'd assume he's done improving when he hasn't shown any reason to believe he is.
And 24mos ago we weren’t sure he was an nhl player at all. In that time he’s finished 3rd in Calder voting and had back to back 20g seasons and most recently 60pts while being very productive 5on5 up and down the lineup.
He’s averaged 50 points per season over the last two seasons. Back up the brinks trucks!
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7x7 with a 95M cap represents 7.4% of the cap, Boldy signed for 8.4%. It's less than Boldy got and his contract is a steal.
There's really no good reason to not sign this contract. Even if he ends up converting to winger, 7x7 for a 70 point winger is already a fair contract, again, not even considering an exploding cap.
I would not pay him more than 7x7 , if he wants more we can bridge him and showcase him and maximize his value for a trade. I’d also be open to moving him if it improves the team. To say he isn’t worth 7x7 is shortsighted and some sort of anti Rossi bias bleeding through.
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If Billy thinks the dreaded Treniyawn is worth 3.5, why wouldn't Rossi be worth the double amount?
That’s what I’m saying. 7x7 is the absolute max I would go for Rossi.
I didn’t say he isn’t worth 7x7. I said that is “verging on” (i.e. coming close to) overpayment.
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Yeah and if we had to sign Boldy to the same length contract right now, he'd get 9M, not 7M...
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I think he would probably make good on his 7x7 deal if he maintains his same role. But I’m also not sure we can’t get someone for 4-5M to give similar production. Who were the teams linked to him again? Pit, Phi, and who?
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In what universe? That's what Guerin gave Hartman, Foligno, Middleton. None of those players are producing as much as Rossi.
I mean unless you get another 37 year old like Zuccarello?
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Couple things
1) Previously you said you wouldn't go over Boldy's contract. This is not over it.
2) Boldy's contract is a steal because the team took a chance on a long term deal that was maybe a little more than he was worth at the time, but he grew past it, similar to what giving Rossi 7x7 now could be.
I see you already said 7x7 is something you'd give, so I don't really have anything further. If you think it's verging on overpayment then we can just agree to disagree. I think it's a fair deal that could become something of a bargain.
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You see him doing that again any time soon? Or any time since? He was already two seasons removed and averaging 41 points per season when he signed that extension.
Boldy signed his deal at 21 years old, a few months before turning 22. Rossi is 23 and will likely sign a deal a few months before turning 24. It’s just not the same thing. Boldy had a much higher chance of improvement. There’s a strong chance right now that Rossi isn’t far from just being what he will be as a player. That’s not a slight on Rossi either. 60 point players are valuable to have.
He probably could if he played the entire season next to Kaprizov.
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And Rossi did it with less than a half a season next to Kaprizov so I guess it's still not matching
Honestly, if I'm Calgary I'd throw a 5 year x 7 million contract at Rossi. They have a lot of good young players and they have like four first draft picks the next two years. At worse, Minnesota matches and that takes them out of other free agency signings.
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I don’t know. I’m not sure you couldn’t aquire someone like Sillinger and have him be a comparable player at a much lower number. I just don’t think Rossi is that good
This is what I’ve been thinking all along.
If this Rossi deal does happen, I’ve said before and I’ll say it again, none of us are going to like it. We aren’t going to get near the value we think we should. Damn, I hope I’m wrong.
Foerster was a player I really liked….and a player I would have thought would have been attainable. But I think someone like him plus a pick or two will be the top end of what BG will get in this deal.
Kaprizov being out was made up for by Rossi being put on the top power play unit.
Hartman’s season was actually better than Rossi’s past season. People shouldn’t forget, Hartman did not get to play on the top PP that season despite being the 1C. Almost all of his points were even strength points. If you compare everyone on the Wild from 2021 to present, Hartman’s 21-22 season sits third amongst all of those players with 57 even strength points. That’s behind only Kaprizov (21-22) and Fiala (21-22) and ahead of Kaprizov (23-24) and Boldy (24-25).
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Tough ask when you don't have any idea how you're going to be deployed.
Absolutely fair point but even when deployed with scrubs for 8 minutes per night playing a physical team in the post season he still managed to produce
