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Player Discussion Marco Rossi

@KaprizovSaveUs I know very little about Hage but I know you like him a lot. Does he project as a 2C at the NHL level? I can see he's a former 1st round, 6'1, RHS center that scored point per game in his freshman year at the U of M, on paper that's a good look. If he projects to be a 2C, getting him and a 2nd for Rossi and then bringing in Tavares or Duchene for a few years seems like a good plan.
 
AKL said:
@KaprizovSaveUs I know very little about Hage but I know you like him a lot. Does he project as a 2C at the NHL level? I can see he's a former 1st round, 6'1, RHS center that scored point per game in his freshman year at the U of M, on paper that's a good look. If he projects to be a 2C, getting him and a 2nd for Rossi and then bringing in Tavares or Duchene for a few years seems like a good plan.
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I see Schmaltz in Hage. I project him more as a winger but a top 6 winger. I know some people think he’s a center though and he’s played there at Mich.
 
DigitalBoldy said:
Nah, one of them would do. It’s just people’s need to say it’s only size that is getting in the way.
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Maybe we let our 28 year old supposed Selke caliber center get to 50% face-offs before we start asking Rossi to be 55%.

And it's size + position. Not just size. Everything else about Rossi (character, work ethic, intangibles, production) screams "Guerin guy".
 
Dr Jan Itor said:
Maybe we let our 28 year old supposed Selke caliber center get to 50% face-offs before we start asking Rossi to be 55%.

And it's size + position. Not just size. Everything else about Rossi (character, work ethic, intangibles, production) screams "Guerin guy".
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What does Ek have to do with what I said?
 
DigitalBoldy said:
Ek meets several items of the criteria mentioned.
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Truthfully Ek meets none of these

DigitalBoldy said:
If Rossi was a fast skater, I'm pretty certain we are not having this conversation.

If Rossi was an elite playmaker, I'm pretty certain we are not having this conversation.

If Rossi was a 55% faceoff guy, I'm pretty certain we are not having this conversation.
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DigitalBoldy said:
For what? Ek meets several items of the criteria mentioned. So don’t even try to point to him as proof that it’s only about size at center.
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The idea that Rossi needs to be so much better than the other centers at the aspects only reinforces that it's probably a superficial reason for his jettisoning.

Needs to be an elite playmaker. Needs to be 55% on face-offs. Other guys sure don't need to be these things, and they don't bring a whole lot else to the table.
 
Dr Jan Itor said:
The idea that Rossi needs to be so much better than the other centers at the aspects only reinforces that it's probably a superficial reason for his jettisoning.

Needs to be an elite playmaker. Needs to be 55% on face-offs. Other guys sure don't need to be these things, and they don't bring a whole lot else to the table.
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Ek doesn't bring a whole lot else to the table? Interesting take.
 
Minnewildsota said:
Ek doesn't bring a whole lot else to the table? Interesting take.
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Not a whole lot of "above and beyond", no.

Eventually the fumes of whatever magic the Foligno/Eriksson Ek/Greenway line had are going to run out, and people are going to realize that he actually isn't an awesome defensive player. Good? Sure. Selke, not really that close.
 
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Not a whole lot of "above and beyond", no.

Eventually the fumes of whatever magic the Foligno/Eriksson Ek/Greenway line had are going to run out, and people are going to realize that he actually isn't an awesome defensive player. Good? Sure. Selke, not really that close.
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He's also not a very good offensive center overall, not the type you want playing with Kaprizov or Boldy level players, and for as much shit as someone like Fiala gets for his playoff performance, Ek has 13 points in 32 career games. And that's including several years playing in the top six. Just not good enough to get that opportunity, doesn't matter what the rest of his game is like.

3 points, all assists, in the playoffs this year being stapled to Kaprizov and Boldy at all times, ES and PP. Rossi had 2 goals with Trenin and Brazeau, 1 PP assist with unit 2.
 
This whole Rossi thing reminds me of Granlund.

Young, smaller, promising player that never lived up to the hype. People were absolutely sure he was going to be the real deal but never really materialized for him. Was he a decent player? Sure. Some might even go so far as good. But it's not like the organization REALLY lost that much when he was traded away (of course, the depends on return) but nobody is bitching and moaning that Granlund was traded.
 
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Minnewildsota said:
This whole Rossi thing reminds me of Granlund.

Young, smaller, promising player that never lived up to the hype. People were absolutely sure he was going to be the real deal but never really materialized for him. Was he a decent player? Sure. Some might even go so far as good. But it's not like the organization REALLY lost that much when he was traded away (of course, the depends on return) but nobody is bitching and moaning that Granlund was traded.
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What was the hype for Rossi that he hasn't lived up to yet?
 
Minnewildsota said:
This whole Rossi thing reminds me of Granlund.

Young, smaller, promising player that never lived up to the hype. People were absolutely sure he was going to be the real deal but never really materialized for him. Was he a decent player? Sure. Some might even go so far as good. But it's not like the organization REALLY lost that much when he was traded away (of course, the depends on return) but nobody is bitching and moaning that Granlund was traded.
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Both players are/were good and lived up to their draft position
 
Dr Jan Itor said:
The idea that Rossi needs to be so much better than the other centers at the aspects only reinforces that it's probably a superficial reason for his jettisoning.

Needs to be an elite playmaker. Needs to be 55% on face-offs. Other guys sure don't need to be these things, and they don't bring a whole lot else to the table.
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I’m saying Rossi needs to meet ONE of the criteria. Not all.

Eriksson Ek meets the size and skating criteria.
 
Dr Jan Itor said:
Not a whole lot of "above and beyond", no.

Eventually the fumes of whatever magic the Foligno/Eriksson Ek/Greenway line had are going to run out, and people are going to realize that he actually isn't an awesome defensive player. Good? Sure. Selke, not really that close.
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Wow, we’ve got an Eriksson Ek hater in the building.
 
KaprizovSaveUs said:
It's just the fact that it's been telegraphed nationally for the better part of 2 years they don't like this player, and in crunch time they showed the whole world they don't trust the player to play in big moments.
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Or maybe he's the best/only tradebait of value that MN has so his name stays in rumors? At least one of Brodin or Dumba was gone every offseason due to trade. Rossi was 70% traded last offseason too. Tanking Rossi's value would have been doing something like playing him in Marat K's lineup spot and not giving him any PP time.

The only one that tanked Rossi's value was Rossi by not playing well at the end of the season. The team gave him every chance for success this season.

So what if they didn't trust him as much as other players in the Playoffs? It was his first Playoffs and he hadn't been playing well for an extended time before they started. It's a coaching decision for the lineup, or at least it should be with the GM being pretty hands off. Zeev and Rossi Playoff usage lines up with the HC's past coaching "short leash for the kids and long leash for the vets" decisions on other teams.

I don't think GMBG is sold on Rossi being part of the solution for the team, that is the job of the GM (if he's good or bad at his job is a different discussion). There is also the possiblity that he thinks Rossi's camp is asking for too much on a contract. The only way to get past that is to wait until July 1st and let Rossi's camp (find his market value) talk to other teams and get an offersheet, or at least some rough contract numbers before a trade could be worked out.

It really is in the GM's best interest with RFA to either sign them during the season or play the waiting game and re-sign them in August.
 
DigitalBoldy said:
Wow, we’ve got an Eriksson Ek hater in the building.
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I think he's excellent value for his contract. I think he's a better defensive player than Rossi, but not as special as the Walz's and Carter's and LaPanta's think he is. I think he's a worse offensive player than Rossi.

I think there is a center spot on this team for both of them. Just need to find a third that's similar.
 
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Dr Jan Itor said:
I think he's excellent value for his contract. I think he's a better defensive player than Rossi, but not as special as the Walz's and Carter's and LaPanta's think he is. I think he's a worse offensive player than Rossi.
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That’s why Rossi is a 1st line winger and Ek is the 2C in my mock lineup.
 
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