Player Discussion Marco Rossi

[AKL]

Worried that he will trade for a guy like Hayton, Pinto, or Howden.

I gotta say, I'm warming up to the idea of Hayton or Pinto. I just had a post about Hayton on the trade board, but I'll repeat here.

Hayton is definitely a 3C type, moreso than a 2C, no doubt about that. He's really only productive when playing with Keller and Schmaltz, otherwise he's not much in terms of an offensive center. That said, I honestly think that could work for us. He does play a responsible game, he gets time with Keller and Schmaltz because he can handle the responsibility of playing on that line. That's probably what Guerin is looking for. Plus I think he'd probably be the best faceoff guy on this team, which is what Hynes is looking for.

It would work well for a year or two because Hayton can help take some pressure of Ek, as well as shelter Yurov, and then in a couple years after Yurov takes off, Hayton is a good fit for the third line. He's still young enough that we can keep him around for a while.

I don't know what kind of deals are gonna be on the table for Rossi, but I know I'd much rather have Hayton than Nelson, and there should be a decent + coming with Hayton in that swap.

Pinto I don't know as much about, but the vibe I get is very similar.

 

[123TripleDoge]

Billy is weird

Not Weird. Wild.

 

[AKL]

Let's just rip the bandaid off and get this trade done. Don't really wanna have to talk about it for a month and a half waiting to be disappointed. Let's do it now and let everyone enjoy the whole summer.

 

[KaprizovSaveUs]

I'm fine with Rossi being traded, btw, just doubtful that Guerin will be able to find a player of equal ability and talent coming back. Worried that he will trade for a guy like Hayton, Pinto, or Howden. Good depth players, but not guys that you want as your #2C. It's not easy to find young, offensively skilled C's. Zegras MIGHT be able to click with Boldy, but his regression over the past two years is real, and his FO% godawful. - i also don't see him as being a "Guerin " player, just like he isn't a Verbeek type player.

Watch it

 

[Wabit]

Honestly with how much Guerin does not want to pay him at all, I think a 5 year, 7-7.5M offer sheet is enough for Guerin to cut and run so he can get to using his cap space to sign guys he wants. I don't know how much of an appetite he'll have to match a contract he doesn't want to sign to try to trade him and risk not finding a deal.

Why would the other team bother with an offer sheet when they can just trade for him instead? It's not like the Wild want to keep Rossi, but are too cap tight to pay him. This is when an offer sheet works.

The trade make more sense if they want to sign Rossi to a 7 year deal. A 7x7 deal turns into a $9.8m offer sheet figure.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

I’m wondering if maybe the league as a whole doesn’t value Rossi the way some here think he should be valued.

 

[Spurgeon]

I gotta say, I'm warming up to the idea of Hayton or Pinto. I just had a post about Hayton on the trade board, but I'll repeat here.

Hayton is definitely a 3C type, moreso than a 2C, no doubt about that. He's really only productive when playing with Keller and Schmaltz, otherwise he's not much in terms of an offensive center. That said, I honestly think that could work for us. He does play a responsible game, he gets time with Keller and Schmaltz because he can handle the responsibility of playing on that line. That's probably what Guerin is looking for. Plus I think he'd probably be the best faceoff guy on this team, which is what Hynes is looking for.

It would work well for a year or two because Hayton can help take some pressure of Ek, as well as shelter Yurov, and then in a couple years after Yurov takes off, Hayton is a good fit for the third line. He's still young enough that we can keep him around for a while.

I don't know what kind of deals are gonna be on the table for Rossi, but I know I'd much rather have Hayton than Nelson, and there should be a decent + coming with Hayton in that swap.

Pinto I don't know as much about, but the vibe I get is very similar.

Of all the guys I've looked into, I like Hayton the most as a target. Especially if we can get a pick or prospect on top of it.

His contract is a benefit too, acquiring him allows us to go after Marner with a $14M offer if we wanted to. We'd then have enough money the following offseason to find another Top 6 wing.

I really like the look of this team next year (Hard to find a good spot to put Zucc other than with Kap):

Kap - Yurov - Zucc
Boldy - Ek - Marner
Ohgren - Hayton - Hartman
Foligno - Gaudreau - Trenin
Virus

Middleton - Faber
Buium - Spurgeon
Brodin - Jiricek

Gus
Wall

 

[MrRuin]

I’m wondering if maybe the league as a whole doesn’t value Rossi the way some here think he should be valued.

At least HFboards as a whole. He is not a flashy player on a pretty unexciting team. Nobody knows how he plays.

 

[MrRuin]

Let's just rip the bandaid off and get this trade done. Don't really wanna have to talk about it for a month and a half waiting to be disappointed. Let's do it now and let everyone enjoy the whole summer.

I really hope this doesn’t drag on forever which it very well could be. Going to be a very long summer…

 

[DigitalBoldy]

At least HFboards as a whole. He is not a flashy player on a pretty unexciting team. Nobody knows how he plays.

I’ve seen a couple fans from other teams suggesting to trade for him to play him on the wing. Found that a little amusing because that’s what the Wild should be doing before considering a trade.

 

[KaprizovSaveUs]

I’m wondering if maybe the league as a whole doesn’t value Rossi the way some here think he should be valued.

We as fans will almost always overvalue our own guys, particularly the ones the have success. There's a reason Billy is looking to move on, and I think the GMs around the league probably view Rossi in a lot more similar of a light to Guerin than to fans.

 

[Luceni]

Yes, Rossi should retire, there is no place for an undersized, 23-year old 60pt center in the NHL.

 

[MrRuin]

Could Marco Rossi be the answer to Utah HC's top-6 search?

Marco Rossi needs a change of scenery — and that's exactly what Utah offers.

www.deseret.com

On the Utah conection, how he could fit and what a possible trade could include

 

[MNRube]

Could Marco Rossi be the answer to Utah HC's top-6 search?

Marco Rossi needs a change of scenery — and that's exactly what Utah offers.

www.deseret.com

On the Utah conection, how he could fit and what a possible trade could include

Id do it straight up for Hayton. 54% on the dot. Big, better skater.

But I don’t see Utah being interested. They already are extremely undersized up front and Cooley/Rossi is not a C duo that is built to win in the playoffs.

I don’t see us getting a better player than Hayton in a hockey trade for RFA Rossi.

 

[Minnewildsota]

Yes, Rossi should retire, there is no place for an undersized, 23-year old 60pt center in the NHL.

Yup. That’s exactly what people have been saying. You hit the nail on the head.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Could Marco Rossi be the answer to Utah HC's top-6 search?

Marco Rossi needs a change of scenery — and that's exactly what Utah offers.

www.deseret.com

On the Utah conection, how he could fit and what a possible trade could include

So Maccelli and prospects/picks? No really a fan of that unless the prospects are legit ones.

 

[Luceni]

Yup. That’s exactly what people have been saying. You hit the nail on the head.

It's called sarcasm.

 

[MNRube]

Id do But for Rossi straight up. Or Hayton. No Schmaltz or Maccelli or 2nds, please.

But again, I don’t think he’s a good fit for the Mammoths, at all. Last thing they need is another undersized F. I think the Tourigny angle is being overblown

 

[MrRuin]

Id do But for Rossi straight up. Or Hayton. No Schmaltz or Maccelli or 2nds, please.

But again, I don’t think he’s a good fit for the Mammoths, at all. Last thing they need is another undersized F. I think the Tourigny angle is being overblown

It is not overblown at all. I agree with him not being a good fit right now for Utah though which will make a trade unlikely. But this is what Tourigny had to say three years ago when Rossi was struggling to make the team (via Athletic) and Tourigny was in town with the Coyotes.

“He’s in a good spot, in a good organization, and he has a bright future here,” Tourigny told The Athletic after the Coyotes practiced at Xcel Energy Center on Saturday. “It’s not like they don’t like him, it’s just a matter of the situation they’re in. They’re trying to win, they’re working with him and he’s growing in his game. Marco Rossi will be a really good NHL player.

“Trust me. He’s an unbelievable pro. Takes care of his body, takes care of every detail, he’s super driven, super competitive. He’s really shifty. He has an unbelievable IQ, great hockey sense. It’s a matter for him to keep getting more mature in all of it. But Marco Rossi’s a hell of player. On and off the ice, he’s as low maintenance as you can find. He’s the most prepared guy you can find. He was a blast to coach.”

“It’s his IQ for me, it’s first quality,” Tourigny said. “I compare him a lot to Ryan O’Reilly, who I coached (with the Colorado Avalanche). Read the play, really competitive, good with and without the puck. I think they’re not the biggest guys, but they’re really, really competitive and they understand the game and what they have to do to be effective and how the opponent can generate their offense. So they are high IQ, special players.

“Wild fans need to understand this is a process. This is a hard league. Look at a lot of the recent first-rounders and how long it takes them to adjust. I’m not nervous at all about Marco Rossi. Not at all. But I always say Marco is not a point producer. He’s a Ryan O’Reilly. Did you ever see Ryan O’Reilly be a top-10 scorer in the league?”

Now, O’Reilly, the 31-year-old St. Louis Blues captain who stands four inches taller than the 5-foot-9 Rossi, has scored 682 points in 959 games (.71 points per game), finished 19th in scoring in 2020-21 and tied for 31st in 2018-19. But you get Tourigny’s point. He believes Rossi will be an effective, all-around player like O’Reilly that can check good players, win key faceoffs and contribute offensively.

 

[57special]

So Maccelli and prospects/picks? No really a fan of that unless the prospects are legit ones.

Rossi for lesser players/prospects... we've got those. We need a legit top 6 player in return, not bits and pieces. Hayton is a 3C... again, nothing wrong with him, but not the 2c/potential 1C that we need. The forward group needs top end talent, not mid players. Guys like Ohgren, Stramel, Haight, and the like are supposed to be the ones to fill those areas.

Say what you will about Rossi, but he scores wherever he's been. He's an improved MiG, to my eyes. 60 points in only his 2nd year is vg production, and the odds are that he will score more as he reaches his prime. Trading that for a 40 point role player is absurd, especially one that is two years older, and in his prime.

 

[57special]

Id do But for Rossi straight up. Or Hayton. No Schmaltz or Maccelli or 2nds, please.

But again, I don’t think he’s a good fit for the Mammoths, at all. Last thing they need is another undersized F. I think the Tourigny angle is being overblown

That article is talking about Macelli and some other prospect. Utah would do that all day long. Pretty sure Guerin won't.

 

[MNRube]

That article is talking about Macelli and some other prospect. Utah would do that all day long. Pretty sure Guerin won't.

Agreed. I think Vancouver easily beats that offer, among other teams

 

[Luceni]

I think the Flyers could be a good landing spot for Rossi. I think they could be interested. Their GM Daniel Briere had a great carreer as smallish center too.

 

[MNRube]

I think the Flyers could be a good landing spot for Rossi. I think they could be interested. Their GM Daniel Briere had a great carreer as smallish center too.

A deal around TK for Rossi + prospects/picks would be awesome. Flyers can tank for McKenna and we get a RHS in our Top 6 who isn’t 35 years old.

But I don’t think they are a good fit either. They also are a tiny team. All their good young players lean small.

 

[57special]

I think the Flyers could be a good landing spot for Rossi. I think they could be interested. Their GM Daniel Briere had a great carreer as smallish center too.

They didn't pick Buium last year in order to pick Luchanko, a 5'11 C. He would get roasted if he made a deal for Rossi. Michkov is a really good looking player, but he is also small... listed as 5'10", but looks smaller.