Player Discussion Marco Rossi

[Dr Jan Itor]

Can you imagine him trading Rossi for a mid 1st only to sign zero top end free agents (because why would they sign here) and then to compensate he overpays another Trenin type? That would be fun.

We would have the space for 3 Trenin types, and yes, that has crossed my mind as well.

 

[AKL]

We would have the space for 3 Trenin types, and yes, that has crossed my mind as well.

Three more Trenin types would really come in handy when the press box popcorn maker goes down with an UBI, plus we might even be able to rotate them and keep hands fresh at all times and avoid injury altogether.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Just want to throw this out there...

Boldy signed his 7 x $7M on 1/16/23. Up until that point in the season, he had:

12 goals and 29 points in 42 games (23g, 57p per 82 pace).
He was in the midst of 10 games without a goal and 5 games without a point.
In fairness, he also had a partial season before that was very good.

The report earlier was that Rossi was offered 5 x $5M "earlier this winter". His season splits are as follows:

Through 11/30 - 7 goals and 19 points in 24 games (24g, 65p per 82 pace)
Through 12/31 - 14 goals and 32 points in 38 games (30g, 69p per 82 pace)
Through 1/31 - 18 goals and 46 points in 52 games (28g, 72p per 82 pace)
Through 2/28 - 21 goals and 51 points in 60 games (29g, 70p per 82 pace)
Then, as we all know, March wasn't great.

It's just really hard to see anything else but a height tax being applied here.

Again, not saying that he deserves a blank check. Just found it interesting, and really still don't believe that the offer had much any "we value you" to it. Contrarily, Rossi at 5 x $5M seems like a very valuable trade asset.

 

[KaprizovSaveUs]

I would hope there’s Rossi can return something collar to the Fiala trade, which would be 20261st + Beudoin from Utah. I don’t necessarily expect that return, though. I’d prefer to just get a really good player or prospect back. From Utah’s perspective, the would likely be But, who I’m a fan of.

 

[KaprizovSaveUs]

Rossi not beating the TOI merchant allegations

 

[Spurgeon]

Can you imagine him trading Rossi for a mid 1st only to sign zero top end free agents (because why would they sign here) and then to compensate he overpays another Trenin type? That would be fun.

We’d see another late offseason GM firing.

 

[Spurgeon]

Just want to throw this out there...

Boldy signed his 7 x $7M on 1/16/23. Up until that point in the season, he had:

12 goals and 29 points in 42 games (23g, 57p per 82 pace).
He was in the midst of 10 games without a goal and 5 games without a point.
In fairness, he also had a partial season before that was very good.

The report earlier was that Rossi was offered 5 x $5M "earlier this winter". His season splits are as follows:

Through 11/30 - 7 goals and 19 points in 24 games (24g, 65p per 82 pace)
Through 12/31 - 14 goals and 32 points in 38 games (30g, 69p per 82 pace)
Through 1/31 - 18 goals and 46 points in 52 games (28g, 72p per 82 pace)
Through 2/28 - 21 goals and 51 points in 60 games (29g, 70p per 82 pace)
Then, as we all know, March wasn't great.

It's just really hard to see anything else but a height tax being applied here.

Again, not saying that he deserves a blank check. Just found it interesting, and really still don't believe that the offer had much any "we value you" to it. Contrarily, Rossi at 5 x $5M seems like a very valuable trade asset.

I feel like Guerin has a number in mind for Marner & Rossi at $5M leaves just enough room to bring in Marner with our only additional move being a Trenin buyout.

 

[Wabit]

Just want to throw this out there...

Boldy signed his 7 x $7M on 1/16/23. Up until that point in the season, he had:

12 goals and 29 points in 42 games (23g, 57p per 82 pace).
He was in the midst of 10 games without a goal and 5 games without a point.
In fairness, he also had a partial season before that was very good.

The report earlier was that Rossi was offered 5 x $5M "earlier this winter". His season splits are as follows:

Through 11/30 - 7 goals and 19 points in 24 games (24g, 65p per 82 pace)
Through 12/31 - 14 goals and 32 points in 38 games (30g, 69p per 82 pace)
Through 1/31 - 18 goals and 46 points in 52 games (28g, 72p per 82 pace)
Through 2/28 - 21 goals and 51 points in 60 games (29g, 70p per 82 pace)
Then, as we all know, March wasn't great.

It's just really hard to see anything else but a height tax being applied here.

Again, not saying that he deserves a blank check. Just found it interesting, and really still don't believe that the offer had much any "we value you" to it. Contrarily, Rossi at 5 x $5M seems like a very valuable trade asset.

Not really an apples to apples comparison between the two of them imo. The full body of work needs to be looked at, not just half a season of a contract year.

Boldy was also 2 years younger (21yo) and had 27g/66p in 83 games through 12/31 (guessing when the contract was being drawn up by MN, and it lines up with your Rossi dates). Boldy (injured in camp) was attached to Fiala's hip and that helped bloat his stats his rookie year (68p pace).

Rossi at 21 got sent down to the AHL for a 2nd season because he wasn't ready. His career stats up to 12/31 were 35g/73p in 141 games.

I agree 5v5 is low for Rossi (I have $5m x 2 bridge deal rate), but I also this a 7x7 deal is too much for Rossi. Boldy is only ~6m older.

 

[Wabit]

Rossi not beating the TOI merchant allegations

I have no clue what to make of this chart. Is it an "anti-doin stuff" metric of some sort?

 

[AKL]

Rossi not beating the TOI merchant allegations

That's a pretty crazy group of names. Freddy Gaudreau sandwiched between Matvei Michkov and Mason McTavish. Dmitri Voronkov is a beast of a player but does the second least stuff in the entire league. Vilardi and Boeser right next to each other. I don't know man.

 

[57special]

I feel like Guerin has a number in mind for Marner & Rossi at $5M leaves just enough room to bring in Marner with our only additional move being a Trenin buyout.

I can't imagine Guerin going for Marner, or Marner going for Minnesota.



Player A - 1st playoff series, 1 point, 13+min TOI
Player B - 1st playoff series, 3 points, 19 minutes TOI
Player C - 1st playoff series, 3 points, 11 min TOI

 

[Mosby]

I would hope there’s Rossi can return something collar to the Fiala trade, which would be 20261st + Beudoin from Utah. I don’t necessarily expect that return, though. I’d prefer to just get a really good player or prospect back. From Utah’s perspective, the would likely be But, who I’m a fan of.

From Utah's perspective, But holds more value than either Beaudoin or the 2016 1st.

I don't recall - does the "talking period" still exist before UFA? If so, and Guerin has a good read that he'll be able to sign Brock Nelson, maybe that provides more flexibility on what a potential Rossi return could look like.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

We can do that. I suspect the 1st would also be protected somewhat (top 3?). When was the last time a team traded an unprotected first, maybe Ottawa?

Why would the Wild accept a deal with protections if the alternative is an offer sheet that gives us your 1st without protection?

 

[Mosby]

Why would the Wild accept a deal with protections if the alternative is an offer sheet that gives us your 1st without protection?

I'm fine with either, but if Guerin wants clarity before July 1.

In my mind, 2026 1st (top-3 protected) and Beaudoin is a better return anyway than 2026 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Just want to throw this out there...

Boldy signed his 7 x $7M on 1/16/23. Up until that point in the season, he had:

12 goals and 29 points in 42 games (23g, 57p per 82 pace).
He was in the midst of 10 games without a goal and 5 games without a point.
In fairness, he also had a partial season before that was very good.

The report earlier was that Rossi was offered 5 x $5M "earlier this winter". His season splits are as follows:

Through 11/30 - 7 goals and 19 points in 24 games (24g, 65p per 82 pace)
Through 12/31 - 14 goals and 32 points in 38 games (30g, 69p per 82 pace)
Through 1/31 - 18 goals and 46 points in 52 games (28g, 72p per 82 pace)
Through 2/28 - 21 goals and 51 points in 60 games (29g, 70p per 82 pace)
Then, as we all know, March wasn't great.

It's just really hard to see anything else but a height tax being applied here.

Again, not saying that he deserves a blank check. Just found it interesting, and really still don't believe that the offer had much any "we value you" to it. Contrarily, Rossi at 5 x $5M seems like a very valuable trade asset.

If all we are looking at is point totals….

 

[DigitalBoldy]

I'm fine with either, but if Guerin wants clarity before July 1.

In my mind, 2026 1st (top-3 protected) and Beaudoin is a better return anyway than 2026 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.

I think it’s also beaten by other teams.

 

[AKL]

Be honest with us, if you had Rossi on your team and someone else was offering what you're offering, would you want to make a deal?

The silence on this question is deafening @Mosby

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

If all we are looking at is point totals….

If you have a metric that points to his terrible defense, I'm all eyes.

What I see is:

CA/60 and SA/60 in reasonable ranges, basically only trailing Kaprizov, Ek and Boldy.

xGA/60 a little low, more in the Trenin/Hartman/Zuccarello range, but I think probably makes up for it with the best xGF/60.

SCA/60 pretty close to Boldy, though a bit behind.

Overall 5v5:
CF% 50.14
SF% 50.99
GF% 56.57
xGF% 53.25
SCF% 51.78

Not exactly the numbers of somebody getting caved in defensively, unless the offensive numbers are also off the charts.

 

[Mosby]

The silence on this question is deafening @Mosby

A 2026 1st for Rossi? I think that's pretty close to his value. Even more so if moving his projected money helps the Wild do other things, like sign Nelson and give a megadeal to Kaprizov.

I think this situation is unique. I think Utah, especially Andre Tourigny, would value Rossi a lot. Then you look at how he was valued in Minnesota with the playoff usage and (somewhat) lowball contract offer, and it's quite a bit different.

 

[Mosby]

I think it’s also beaten by other teams.

Fair enough. What would be your deal to send him to Utah at the draft?

 

[KaprizovSaveUs]

That's a pretty crazy group of names. Freddy Gaudreau sandwiched between Matvei Michkov and Mason McTavish. Dmitri Voronkov is a beast of a player but does the second least stuff in the entire league. Vilardi and Boeser right next to each other. I don't know man.

It’s a nothing stat I just thought it was funny

 

[KaprizovSaveUs]

From Utah's perspective, But holds more value than either Beaudoin or the 2016 1st.

I don't recall - does the "talking period" still exist before UFA? If so, and Guerin has a good read that he'll be able to sign Brock Nelson, maybe that provides more flexibility on what a potential Rossi return could look like.

The talking period doesn’t exist anymore I don’t think, but he still will have a good sense because of tampering. But is just the price of getting me to answer the phone in a Rossi deal.

 

[Mosby]

2025 1st is probably not available now

 

[Wabit]

2025 1st is probably not available now

What if the deal was sweetened by adding Rossi's Playoff linemate Trenin?

 

[Spurgeon]

2025 1st is probably not available now

Congrats