Player Discussion Marco Rossi

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Granlund was an average at best skater in his first few years, and quite weak. Where he excelled was in his puck handling and passing skills. Also was a poor and unwilling shooter.

Rossi is a better skater at a similar age, though he is no burner. Better edges. He is also starting to play inside effectively, which i never would've guessed after watching him quite a lot the past two years.
 
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Granlund was an average at best skater in his first few years, and quite weak. Where he excelled was in his puck handling and passing skills. Also was a poor and unwilling shooter.

Granlund's skating during the first few years wasn't good, but he improved a LOT after starting to focus on it more. His offseason training with figure skaters really helped a lot, especially on his edgework but also his acceleration. Proof that skating doesn't stop developing at 20, not by any means. He (and coaching staff) identified a weakness, and he put in the blood, sweat, and tears to address it. The result was a near-PPG player at his prime.

His shot was surprisingly okay, but he took too long to get it off. And in NHL, that's just a no. His game was tailor-made for international ice and European style of play, and moving to NA revealed his weaknesses. In fairness, the hockey IQ and passing ability, as well as his stickhandling was at a level where most thought the poor skating and lack of physicality wouldn't be such glaring issues.

Rossi is a better skater at a similar age, though he is no burner. Better edges. He is also starting to play inside effectively, which i never would've guessed after watching him quite a lot the past two years.

I agree, but he still needs to improve. Rossi could really use that extra gear. But, lest we forget he lost a year (probably over that) of his development. I'd say he is only now starting to catch up to where he was projected at D+1. Definitely looks stronger now though, so that part is in a shape where he can focus on skating next. I'd like to see him work with professional in a similar capacity to Granlund, because that really worked wonders for him.
 
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Granlund's skating during the first few years wasn't good, but he improved a LOT after starting to focus on it more. His offseason training with figure skaters really helped a lot, especially on his edgework but also his acceleration. Proof that skating doesn't stop developing at 20, not by any means. He (and coaching staff) identified a weakness, and he put in the blood, sweat, and tears to address it. The result was a near-PPG player at his prime.

His shot was surprisingly okay, but he took too long to get it off. And in NHL, that's just a no. His game was tailor-made for international ice and European style of play, and moving to NA revealed his weaknesses. In fairness, the hockey IQ and passing ability, as well as his stickhandling was at a level where most thought the poor skating and lack of physicality wouldn't be such glaring issues.



I agree, but he still needs to improve. Rossi could really use that extra gear. But, lest we forget he lost a year (probably over that) of his development. I'd say he is only now starting to catch up to where he was projected at D+1. Definitely looks stronger now though, so that part is in a shape where he can focus on skating next. I'd like to see him work with professional in a similar capacity to Granlund, because that really worked wonders for him.
Rossi has been working with the Ness's, who are as good as it gets when it comes to skating. The whole team does during the season, but there is only so much time and energy that you can devote to it then. The off season is where you can make improvements. I don't think that Rossi will ever become fast, like pre kneecap injury Haula or Zucker. At this point i'd settle for quick. Working really hard with a great skating coach can turn a mediocre skater in a better one, but in general, they can't elevate you way beyond your original capabilities. It's not like they don't have skating coaches in youth and junior hockey, either. Around here, we used to get the Ness's in here a few times a year to teach the youth hockey players of all levels, and judging by how good most of the Euro players can skate, I would guess they do something similar.
 

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Man I am itching to get my own skates on, we can have a meet up race. My conditioning is absolute trash and I weigh 30 lbs less than I did when I played, but I think I can still take some of you! :D
 
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I have absolutely no desire to strap on the skates for race purposes , but then, I never did... at least if it is skating forward. Backwards, I still might stand a chance against some of you, as long as there is oxygen around.
 

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If he stays in the top 6 yeah

I don't know how you go back at this point. Maybe if the long grind of the season has him slumping come January/February, I guess. Even then, this guy's a top six center, time to act like it. Other top six guys on this team don't get moved to the bottom six when they slump, they get a "we need to be better" in the postgame.

I think the hardest part was finding the window to make the move in the first place, but now that it's been made? Who knows.
 

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I don't know how you go back at this point. Maybe if the long grind of the season has him slumping come January/February, I guess. Even then, this guy's a top six center, time to act like it. Other top six guys on this team don't get moved to the bottom six when they slump, they get a "we need to be better" in the postgame.

I think the hardest part was finding the window to make the move in the first place, but now that it's been made? Who knows.
I hope you’re right. I just wouldn’t be suprised at all fi eh goes back to the normal
Lines next game. I really do think that you’re talking about a long term center for Boldy though so mind as well get them together now.
 
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I hope you’re right. I just wouldn’t be suprised at all fi eh goes back to the normal
Lines next game. I really do think that you’re talking about a long term center for Boldy though so mind as well get them together now.
If only one line was better maybe something changes back. But all 3 forward lines were immediately improved. Even Evason can't ignore that.... right?
 

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If only one line was better maybe something changes back. But all 3 forward lines were immediately improved. Even Evason can't ignore that.... right?
Yeah but when Kaprizov has been at his best it’s been with Zuccarello and Hartman. I still think Deano wants to get back to that and have Boldy and Rossi provide secondary scoring.
 
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Yeah but when Kaprizov has been at his best it’s been with Zuccarello and Hartman. I still think Deano wants to get back to that and have Boldy and Rossi provide secondary scoring.
Has he ever meaningfully been with anyone else for more than part of a game? Probably only his first few games of his rookie year and then the Rask era.

Kaprizov had more in-zone puck possession in those 2 periods alone than the previous 5 games combined with Zucc/Hartman.
 

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There was one play where the puck was dumped in and Rossi raced to get to the puck at the same time as his larger opponent. They came together, and the other guy fell back. That NEVER would've happened last year, even in the AHL. Huge, huge difference in strength, less but significant increase in speed, and a corresponding improvement in mindset.
Put that together with his skill, offensive imagination, and responsible two way play and we've got a winner.

Only thing that really sucks are his FO's, but you could say the same about the entire team. This might be the worst FO team I've ever seen. It kills us on special teams.
 

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I just hope Dean Evason gives Rossi a legitimate chance playing with Kaprizov the next games.

Playing in a top 6 role with talented linemates fits more to his natural playing style.
 

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Yeah I don’t ever expect the little man to be a great face off guy but he’s pretty horrendous at them currently. He has trouble winning them cleanly but he’s actually pretty good at typing up.
 

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I just hope Dean Evason gives Rossi a legitimate chance playing with Kaprizov the next games.

Playing in a top 6 role with talented linemates fits more to his natural playing style.
Either Boldy or Kap. He has history with Boldy...they look great together, whereas Kaprizov is more of a mystery. I think Johansson and his speed might be the perfect match for Boldy and Rossi.

Kap tends to dominate the puck, and Rossi does too when he's at his best. If Kap is going to play with him he needs to convert to being more of a shooter.

Having two good lines would also take the focus away from Kap.

Yeah I don’t ever expect the little man to be a great face off guy but he’s pretty horrendous at them currently. He has trouble winning them cleanly but he’s actually pretty good at typing up.
Your typos are awesome.
 
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