Player Discussion Marc Staal

[TheBPA]

That's pretty much my issue with buying him out. If you shelter him he can be alright in the 3rd pairing role and there's no pressing need for cap space so just ride it out for the year and look to buy him out next year or see if there's potential trade options when the NMC flips to a limited NTC.

No chance they buy him out this summer.

There is plenty of cap space.

There's a chance he can play better in a limited role. This, combined with him having only 3 years remaining and only a modified NTC next summer means there's no reason to rush. Maybe he's tradeable next summer. If not, the buyout becomes less prohibitive as well.

 

[eco's bones]

I don't even get what you are trying to do here.

I said no. I wouldn't trade Buchnevich. I think thats pretty clear. I think almost any Ranger fan would say no to giving up Buchnevich along with Staal, and would be much more willing to give up lesser prospects at a position they are currently blocked at the NHL level, although I'm not claiming every fan would agree to that, but I think nearly every fan would be more willing to give up those players than Buchnevich who you are insisting needs to be a main subject in this conversation.

Of course you've presented no actual argument against why what I'm saying is so horrible, even though you were the one who responded to me, not the other way around, yet you want to frame this as I hate those defensemen and just want to let them go for free. Not true, I go to bat for many of them against some people here who aren't fair to them, but I must hate them because of my user name, nice logic there.

I'm not insisting anything other than it takes two teams to make a deal and you can't decide what the other team is going to want and who said anything about hating anyone?-- sorry, but that's something entirely in your own head. I brought Buchnevich up not only because it would stick in your craw but because there's also the possibility that that might be what it takes to get it done and I've been arguing all along for no deal--getting rid of no prospects--just buying Steal out.

So would you trade Lias Andersson or Filip Chytil or next year's first to get rid of Staal? Shesterkin? Obviously you'd trade DeAngelo. Just what is $22.8 mil worth of useless player worth to the team that takes Staal's contract off our hands? You tell me--you seem to know. I would suggest it would be a lot--and I also suggested that team might do what you (if you were G.M.--and I'm glad you're not) would be too weak to do--buy Staal out and keep the asset you acquire. That's still about $17 mil worth of dead cap space over 8 years but that's what I would do if I were the GM of a team being asked to bury $17 mil of toxic waste of someone else's problem.

 

[GregSirico]

IMO the worst thing about Staal is him taking a spot in the lineup another guy could have. He's done as a player of any worth. He isn't helping the team in any way at all. As much as it sucks, I'd be happier seeing him in the press box than on the ice, even if it's 5.7m doing nothing.

I agree here. He's taking up ice time for some of our young studs. That's regression without admitting it. GMJG needs to convince him to waive.

 

[HFBS]

Right about now, I really miss the days where we could boo someone off the team, like Driver or Malik.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I'm not insisting anything other than it takes two teams to make a deal and you can't decide what the other team is going to want and who said anything about hating anyone?-- sorry, but that's something entirely in your own head. I brought Buchnevich up not only because it would stick in your craw but because there's also the possibility that that might be what it takes to get it done and I've been arguing all along for no deal--getting rid of no prospects--just buying Steal out.

So would you trade Lias Andersson or Filip Chytil or next year's first to get rid of Staal? Shesterkin? Obviously you'd trade DeAngelo. Just what is $22.8 mil worth of useless player worth to the team that takes Staal's contract off our hands? You tell me--you seem to know. I would suggest it would be a lot--and I also suggested that team might do what you (if you were G.M.--and I'm glad you're not) would be too weak to do--buy Staal out and keep the asset you acquire. That's still about $17 mil worth of dead cap space over 8 years but that's what I would do if I were the GM of a team being asked to bury $17 mil of toxic waste of someone else's problem.

So you admit you named Buchnevich on purpose, I knew it! If you are going to do that, gotta expect I'm gonna come back firing, no offense, you started it.

Anyway, I don't think anyone actually knows what the price would be, so its all speculation. Given what the price has been in the past for these types of deals, I don't think its a player the caliber of Buchnevich, basically an "A" prospect. I think its more likely a "B+" prospect or a "B" prospect or maybe a few "C+" prospects or "B-" prospects.

We know that the Rangers like to spend to the limit, so I really don't like the idea of having so much dead cap space. This could be the difference of signing one of re-signing one of the current young players on our team or not. I also don't really care what the team we traded Staal to would do with Staal. If we are all-in, presumably the team we'd trade him to wouldn't be very good, so I'm not sure we should really be worried what that team does. Its not like it would be a team we are battling for a playoff spot with or in a playoff series against.

 

[Miller Time NYR]

I agree here. He's taking up ice time for some of our young studs. That's regression without admitting it. GMJG needs to convince him to waive.

What "young studs" are Staal blocking? Staal isn't going anywhere this offseason, he's not being bought out and has little trade value coupled with a NMC. He'll be the 3rd LD and should be fine playing 14 minutes a night with someone like Deangelo who has legs and can move the puck and he can kill penalties. I'd love for him to be gone with Girardi but it's just not an option this offseason, next year the NMC turns to a limited no trade and the buyout is easier to deal with than it would have been this offseason. All we can do at this point is hope he has a decent season and a team near the cap floor is looking for a high cap veteran defenseman.

 

[egelband]

What "young studs" are Staal blocking? Staal isn't going anywhere this offseason, he's not being bought out and has little trade value coupled with a NMC. He'll be the 3rd LD and should be fine playing 14 minutes a night with someone like Deangelo who has legs and can move the puck and he can kill penalties. I'd love for him to be gone with Girardi but it's just not an option this offseason, next year the NMC turns to a limited no trade and the buyout is easier to deal with than it would have been this offseason. All we can do at this point is hope he has a decent season and a team near the cap floor is looking for a high cap veteran defenseman.

You speak much sense.
Probably best you show yourself the door.

 

[Raspewtin]

What "young studs" are Staal blocking? Staal isn't going anywhere this offseason, he's not being bought out and has little trade value coupled with a NMC. He'll be the 3rd LD and should be fine playing 14 minutes a night with someone like Deangelo who has legs and can move the puck and he can kill penalties. I'd love for him to be gone with Girardi but it's just not an option this offseason, next year the NMC turns to a limited no trade and the buyout is easier to deal with than it would have been this offseason. All we can do at this point is hope he has a decent season and a team near the cap floor is looking for a high cap veteran defenseman.

Staal is not an NHL player so if it turns out we have a capable NHL player, Staal is blocking him.

 

[eco's bones]

Unless the Rangers move Holden instead Staal will certainly be blocking Bereglazov. If Bereglazov has an out clause of going back to the KHL instead of playing in the AHL I'd be really pissed at losing him.

....and if Staal's the 7D and not playing much....where is the value in that? There isn't any. We're not going to trade him except for someone else's bad contracts and/or with valuable assets going the other way. To me doing something like that would be just stupid.

 

[Miller Time NYR]

Staal is not an NHL player so if it turns out we have a capable NHL player, Staal is blocking him.

Little dramatic, but sure well go with that.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

What "young studs" are Staal blocking? Staal isn't going anywhere this offseason, he's not being bought out and has little trade value coupled with a NMC. He'll be the 3rd LD and should be fine playing 14 minutes a night with someone like Deangelo who has legs and can move the puck and he can kill penalties. I'd love for him to be gone with Girardi but it's just not an option this offseason, next year the NMC turns to a limited no trade and the buyout is easier to deal with than it would have been this offseason. All we can do at this point is hope he has a decent season and a team near the cap floor is looking for a high cap veteran defenseman.

No he won't.

Being unable to skate or move the puck is going to be an issue with Staal regardless of the pair he plays on. He'll be less of a liability than he was on the 2nd pair, but hes still a massive liability who has no business playing at all on this team.

Not an NHL level player. He literally does nothing well. He's no joke the 10th best defenseman in the organization (if that) and should only be using sparingly before being bought out next summer.

 

[Raspewtin]

Little dramatic, but sure well go with that.

Not only that but do you believe AV learned anything from these past playoffs? Where Staal was his guy when we desperately protected 1 goal leads? In a vacuum Staal on the bottom pairing isn't an incurable disease, but you know it's not that tsimple.

 

[Elliman]

God I still get upset when I hear the name Bruce Driver. I have a soft spot for Malik because of that SO goal. Classic.

Right about now, I really miss the days where we could boo someone off the team, like Driver or Malik.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Right about now, I really miss the days where we could boo someone off the team, like Driver or Malik.

Poti!!!

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Unless JG finds a sucker, Staal will be on the team this year hopefully in a timeshare on the 3rd pairing. Next off season opens up some possibilities of what we do with him. DGs buyout will have 2 yrs of 3.6 mil so we have to be careful

 

[Mikos87]

He liked playing with Stralman because they had set outlets...

Rangers need to find him a partner who can do that.

Maybe that's ADA.

But I'm not sure ADA will win the coaches trust.

But I think ADA has the highest upside of all the players at the moment.

I'd love the team to be

McD-Shatts
Skjei-ADA
Smith-Poinky/Bear

By the trade deadline... If the kids can hold up... You have a D that resembles a weaker version of NSH in terms of puck mobility.

That translates to a 5 man attack that is based on speed.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

He liked playing with Stralman because they had set outlets...

Rangers need to find him a partner who can do that.

Maybe that's ADA.

But I'm not sure ADA will win the coaches trust.

But I think ADA has the highest upside of all the players at the moment.

I'd love the team to be

McD-Shatts
Skjei-ADA
Smith-Poinky/Bear

By the trade deadline... If the kids can hold up... You have a D that resembles a weaker version of NSH in terms of puck mobility.

That translates to a 5 man attack that is based on speed.

Can Smith play the left side as effectively as the right? And I think Poinky and Bear play the left side.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

He liked playing with Stralman because they had set outlets...

Rangers need to find him a partner who can do that.

Maybe that's ADA.

But I'm not sure ADA will win the coaches trust.

But I think ADA has the highest upside of all the players at the moment.

I'd love the team to be

McD-Shatts
Skjei-ADA
Smith-Poinky/Bear

By the trade deadline... If the kids can hold up... You have a D that resembles a weaker version of NSH in terms of puck mobility.

That translates to a 5 man attack that is based on speed.

Staal was a better player when Stralman was here. Having a guy like ADA or even Stralman himself wouldn't make Staal any less terrible.

Staal hasn't been good since the end of the Penguins series in 2014. He was horrible for a big chunk of 2014-15 (picked it up a bit mid season, signed his extension and went back to being bad) and he has been beyond bad since the start of the 2015-16 season.

I think the hope is that Bear Gloves can be what Staal was on a smaller scale. He already moves and passes the puck better so hes got a major leg up.

 

[Miller Time NYR]

Not only that but do you believe AV learned anything from these past playoffs? Where Staal was his guy when we desperately protected 1 goal leads? In a vacuum Staal on the bottom pairing isn't an incurable disease, but you know it's not that tsimple.

AV is definitely stubborn but he was spoon feeding Staal those minutes all season so I expected it in the playoffs. AV himself said Skjei will play bigger minutes, I think a full season playing in those close and late game situations will force Staal out come playoff time. Staal will almost undoubtedly be here for at least another season so we'll have to deal with it, I think playing with ADA(wtf?) will help. Maybe Ruff can straighten him out we'll see.

 

[TheRightWay]

AV is definitely stubborn but he was spoon feeding Staal those minutes all season so I expected it in the playoffs. AV himself said Skjei will play bigger minutes, I think a full season playing in those close and late game situations will force Staal out come playoff time. Staal will almost undoubtedly be here for at least another season so we'll have to deal with it, I think playing with ADA(wtf?) will help. Maybe Ruff can straighten him out we'll see.

AV also said they were going to manage Girardi's icetime and rest him on back-to-back's. You're very trusting of a guy who has earned none.

 

[Inferno]

AV also said they were going to manage Girardi's icetime and rest him on back-to-back's. You're very trusting of a guy who has earned none.

So...much...this.

 

[Miller Time NYR]

AV also said they were going to manage Girardi's icetime and rest him on back-to-back's. You're very trusting of a guy who has earned none.

This is true, im not all that trusting of him but I'm not going to get on the guy for something he hasn't done yet. Girardi had no buisness playing the minutes he did but the right side of the defense was a disaster. AV can try his hardest but I can't see a scenario where Staal plays anywhere but the third pairing Skjei really established himself last season and Staal doesn't play the right side. Staal will definitely however get more PK time than people will like.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Can Smith play the left side as effectively as the right? And I think Poinky and Bear play the left side.

Pionk and Bereglazov can play either side. Just like Smith. But they have played mostly the right side recently.

 

[Fugazy]

Pionk and Bereglazov can play either side. Just like Smith. But they have played mostly the right side recently.

Which is another reason I'm very high on those guys. Seems like there will be a lot of flexibility with them.

 

[free0717]

how about the rangers make Marc Staal an offer. Marc retires and the Rangers give him a job in the organization for 4 years and 5.7 M a year. Marc comes off the cap, he learns the business. Rangers have enough $$$ to do this. How about this????