GDT: Marc Bergevin to Meet with Media @ 5:30PM ET

[AlexGretzchenvid]

Glad he 'changed' his mind .

If he meant that subbans legend will be around for along time and that his trade value will be around in the form of who he was traded for then yes he will be around forever lol

 

[Runner77]

He never said he wasn’t trading him, he said he wasn’t shopping him.

Unless there’s a press conference I missed, he’s never uttered the words “I will never trade PK Subban”.......but please, correct me if I’m wrong with link

Canadiens GM Bergevin says he won't trade P.K. Subban - Sportsnet.ca



In the above clip, Bergevin says about Subban that "He will be a Canadien for a long time."

Bergevin traded Subban 5 days later.

 

[Runner77]

He paraphrased this, which essentially means the same thing:



June 23rd "Subban will be a Canadiens for a long time" sic

I brought up the same clip before I saw your post. Five days is a "long time", I guess.

 

[Runner77]

No one really knows how these players will turn out and the same optimistic projections were made for other picks over the years you are correct. Hopefully this time around that our development process is better because for some prospects that is crucial. Hopefully out of the current bunch of hopefuls we will get 1-2 good players. The key is quantity and we need to keep piling them up. It’s the best way moving forward.

One thing we know for certain -- it's difficult to build quality organizational depth when you don't have a shot at early picks, especially the excess kind that allows you to gain an edge on your opposition whenever a highly desirable and needed asset hits the market. It's what allows you to nab the player without creating another hole in your system. Habs have not had that in the longest time.

 

[Runner77]

He also started the interview with “We know you said you’re not actively shopping PK Subban “........yes, he’s gonna b a hab for a long time till someone makes us an offer we like, that’s not “We ain’t trading him”

Hey, I remember Poile saying to Seth Jones....”Seth will be wearing #3 for us, hopefully for a very very long time”

WHABAM!!!!!.......he’s traded.....that’s NHL for ya.

Go to the 2:55 mark, it’s a few seconds after that.

So just cause some other GM lies about a player, should we absolve our GM? Why don't we use the lowest common denominator as a comparable on every other decision the GM makes?

And if that's the case, why bother having a competent GM when we can always compare him to someone who acts as despicably and irresponsibly? It's not as if he didn't know he was being recorded when he said what he said.

 

[S Bah]

Canadiens GM Bergevin says he won't trade P.K. Subban - Sportsnet.ca



In the above clip, Bergevin says about Subban that "He will be a Canadien for a long time."

Bergevin traded Subban 5 days later.

5 days without water is a long time, migraine headache like a sledgehammer hit ya.it's all relative to your experiences.

 

[Runner77]

5 days without water is a long time, migraine headache like a sledgehammer hit ya.it's all relative to your experiences.

I think I need an emoji decoder.

 

[OldCraig71]

One thing we know for certain -- it's difficult to build quality organizational depth when you don't have a shot at early picks, especially the excess kind that allows you to gain an edge on your opposition whenever a highly desirable and needed asset hits the market. It's what allows you to nab the player without creating another hole in your system. Habs have not had that in the longest time.

It's time for us to stop trying the waiver wire reclamation project lottery, it doesn't work.

 

[Runner77]

It's time for us to stop trying the waiver wire reclamation project lottery, it doesn't work.

Yeah, that whole thing of "I claimed 300 dreks off the wire or from someone's roster but I ended up with Paul Byron" is fine and dandy but should not be defining your management tenure.

I think every GM can find a little gem here and there but that's not how teams are built. And if you do spend too much time chasing diamonds in the rough, you may actually miss out on the higher upside assets that may be had with better pro and amateur scouting, smartly outspending your competition on non-cap limited resources and constantly monitoring your depreciating assets so that you don't end up in a diminishing returns situation.

Above all of that, you still need a plan and 7 years into this, it's been the most frustrating aspect of this GM's approach.

 

[Milhouse40]

One thing we know for certain -- it's difficult to build quality organizational depth when you don't have a shot at early picks, especially the excess kind that allows you to gain an edge on your opposition whenever a highly desirable and needed asset hits the market. It's what allows you to nab the player without creating another hole in your system. Habs have not had that in the longest time.

I'm sure there's a plan....it's just not a really good one.
He wants to stay competitive while not mortgaging the future to make the Habs good now and good in the future.
He said so himself and nothing actually change for him.

What the Habs needs is either one or the other, he's trying to do it all at the same time and doing everything badly.

 

[OldCraig71]

Yeah, that whole thing of "I claimed 300 dreks off the wire or from someone's roster but I ended up with Paul Byron" is fine and dandy but should not be defining your management tenure.

I think every GM can find a little gem here and there but that's not how teams are built. And if you do spend too much time chasing diamonds in the rough, you may actually miss out on the higher upside assets that may be had with better pro and amateur scouting, smartly outspending your competition on non-cap limited resources and constantly monitoring your depreciating assets so that you don't end up in a diminishing returns situation.

Above all of that, you still need a plan and 7 years into this, it's been the most frustrating aspect of this GM's approach.

Boom! Most would acknowledge that Bergevin has done a bad job running the habs and to continuosly cite Paul Byron as a success story is a really weak way to stick up for the guy. Bergevin even went for these diamonds in the rough when they team was in a better position to compete, he was also more comfortable letting Radulov and Markov walk and offering large money for Lucic and Alzner so that right there is mind boggling to me, we could have still had Radulov and even Sergachev and this team would have been better off, so many weird decisions but alas we are not sacrificing the future.... again. Cheers man, beer league again tonight!

 

[Runner77]

Boom! Most would acknowledge that Bergevin has done a bad job running the habs and to continuosly cite Paul Byron as a success story is a really weak way to stick up for the guy. Bergevin even went for these diamonds in the rough when they team was in a better position to compete, he was also more comfortable letting Radulov and Markov walk and offering large money for Lucic and Alzner so that right there is mind boggling to me, we could have still had Radulov and even Sergachev and this team would have been better off, so many weird decisions but alas we are not sacrificing the future.... again. Cheers man, beer league again tonight!

Alzner's not playing. He's looking for equipment bag redemption. He's your guy for tonight's game. Have fun.

 

[OldCraig71]

Alzner's not playing. He's looking for equipment bag redemption. He's your guy for tonight's game. Have fun.

We lost 5-2 tonight and we could have used Karl, one of our forwards pulled a groin and had to leave, it was brutal but at least I think that my heart is still healthy despite everything I have put it through over the years lol.

 

[PaulD]

Canadiens GM Bergevin says he won't trade P.K. Subban - Sportsnet.ca



In the above clip, Bergevin says about Subban that "He will be a Canadien for a long time."

Bergevin traded Subban 5 days later.

Kiss of death

 

[PaulD]

One thing we know for certain -- it's difficult to build quality organizational depth when you don't have a shot at early picks, especially the excess kind that allows you to gain an edge on your opposition whenever a highly desirable and needed asset hits the market. It's what allows you to nab the player without creating another hole in your system. Habs have not had that in the longest time.

Point went 79th
Subban 43rd
Kucherov 28th

Bergeron
Marchand
Benn

 

[Kriss E]

He also started the interview with “We know you said you’re not actively shopping PK Subban “........yes, he’s gonna b a hab for a long time till someone makes us an offer we like, that’s not “We ain’t trading him”

Hey, I remember Poile saying to Seth Jones....”Seth will be wearing #3 for us, hopefully for a very very long time”

WHABAM!!!!!.......he’s traded.....that’s NHL for ya.

This is a key word that changes the entire meaning of a sentence.

 

[Runner77]

Point went 79th
Subban 43rd
Kucherov 28th

Bergeron
Marchand
Benn

True, there are always exceptions. We're dealing with an inexact science trying to project what an 18 year old is likely to become, so there will be players who can fool the filters currently available.

However, despite this, NHL teams are efficient, as Scott Cullen has shown by analyzing draft data from 1990 through 2013. A look at his sliding percentages on the odds of selecting a top 6 forward or a top 4 D, will attest to that. The exceptions only prove the rule since by definition, they remain exceptions when looked at from the standpoint of the pool of players available at the point of selection -- there will always be outliers.

https://www.tsn.ca/statistically-speaking-nhl-draft-pick-value-1.786131

 

[JianYang]

Shanny rebuilt for 1 season.

After finishing last and drafting Matthews the leafs traded a 1st and 2nd for Andersson and the following year singed Marleau.

The rebuild was essentially lucking out and getting Matthews or Laine. Unlike what fans want here Shanny didn't spend 3 or 4 years losing nor did he dump every single player he had. If it was up to the fans here Shanny would of traded Kadri/Reilly/Gardner/Bozak and everyone else with an ounce of talent on that team for MOAR picks.

Also would never had traded for Andersson or signed Marleau because Leafs need to tank MOAR.

So if we go back to the season after AM and pretend its habs fans the team would of dumped Kadri/Reilly for more picks, not traded for Andersson because can't trade a 1st or 2nd and would never have signed Marleau either.

The rebuild was longer than one year. A couple guys like reilly and Kadri were already there. They were still young enough to be part of the new core.

Then you add in nylanders, and Marners and you got yourself a decent looking forward group.

Matthews basically came as the cornerstone to bring all those pieces together. Matthews needed that base around him to have an immediate impact, and the core around him needed that glue guy in Matthews to bring everyone together. It was a win win situation for everyone involved.

Matthews was like that critical peice to take this group to another level, but the rebuild process was already underway with Kadri and reilly.

 

[Runner77]

Why can't the Habs never land a Matthews-type or a Laine. We were so close with Laine.

 

[admiralcadillac]

Why can't the Habs never land a Matthews-type or a Laine. We were so close with Laine.

Because we aren't able to have shitty enough teams consistently... which is pure irony considering how many people want the Berginator gone for his failures

 

[Kriss E]

Shanny rebuilt for 1 season.

After finishing last and drafting Matthews the leafs traded a 1st and 2nd for Andersson and the following year singed Marleau.

The rebuild was essentially lucking out and getting Matthews or Laine. Unlike what fans want here Shanny didn't spend 3 or 4 years losing nor did he dump every single player he had. If it was up to the fans here Shanny would of traded Kadri/Reilly/Gardner/Bozak and everyone else with an ounce of talent on that team for MOAR picks.

Also would never had traded for Andersson or signed Marleau because Leafs need to tank MOAR.

So if we go back to the season after AM and pretend its habs fans the team would of dumped Kadri/Reilly for more picks, not traded for Andersson because can't trade a 1st or 2nd and would never have signed Marleau either.

Not sure what you are talking about.
Shanahan took over in April 2014..he started with the 8th overall where he drafted Nylander. Then he started moving guys around accumulating picks over the next two seasons where he had 20 picks over that time frame, sntaching Marner at 4th and Matthews at 1st along the way.
So no...it ain't just that one year. He had already done it for 3 years, at that point, with Matthews, Marner, Kapanen, Kadri, Reilly, Nylander, he felt he had a strong enough base to push forward with, so he started bringing in support cast in guys like Andersen and Marleau.
But he didn't ''rebuild for a year''. That's BS.

 

[Gravity]

Why can't the Habs never land a Matthews-type or a Laine. We were so close with Laine.

This is what I want so desperately for this team. An Eichel, McDavid, Matthews, MacKinnon would do wonders for this franchise. I haven't seen something like that in my lifetime.

 

[Per Sjoblom]

Point went 79th
Subban 43rd
Kucherov 28th

Bergeron
Marchand
Benn

Henrik Zetterberg 210th

 

[ECWHSWI]

Because we aren't able to have ****ty enough teams consistently... which is pure irony considering how many people want the Berginator gone for his failures

there is no irony there.

cannot build a contender
does not have the balls to rebuild the whole thing

failed at building a contender
not even trying to rebuild

stuck in between because of his own "planning"
yet there's people who think he's on the right track or something.

 

[Kriss E]

there is no irony there.

cannot build a contender
does not have the balls to rebuild the whole thing

failed at building a contender
not even trying to rebuild

stuck in between because of his own "planning"
yet there's people who think he's on the right track or something.

Some were saying GM of the year after a handful of games into the season.