Marc Bergevin - Take It Or Leave It Edition

[Kriss E]

A hell of a lot? I'd say it's at least debatable but Kotka looks much better than Galchenyuk did at the same age at a harder position. I'd rather have Domi and Drouin than Pacioretty. How much better was late career Markov than Petry? I'd still say better but Markov's lack of mobility in those last few years was a problem. Yes his intelligence made up for it and Petry can be really bad at times. I'd still give the nod to Markov but Petry's skating for our style of play is quite good.

Galch looked great in his rookie year and that includes when we used him at center. Matter of fact, I vivily remember discussions about how sound he was defensively when he started with Prust and Gallagher. You'd rather have two guys in Domi-Drouin vs just Patches? Well ya, duh. But if you ask me to rank 12-13 Patches, present Domi and Drouin, I would probably put Pacioretty at the top. The guy was coming out of a beast year. I think people forgot how strong Patches played earlier on, crashing the net, battling in the corner, using his size, breaking Letang's head.
Up front, I'd give the edge to our current team, by a small margin.
Patches over Drouin for me.
Galch and Kotka - push
Gallagher - Gallagher - push
Domi over Plek..
Byron-Lek-Danault-Shaw-Tatar over Eller-DD-Gionta-Ryder.

So ya, I give our current forwards a slight edge. On defense though, it's laughably one sided, and it's probably why in 12-13, we we competing for the top spot, not a PO bubble one.

Look at the supporting cast too. I even forgot to mention Mete and Juulsen. We were better defensively but WAY better up front. No contest. We have many viable prospects to improve our blue line.

Disagree. Juulsen & Mete today are getting the same hype as Tinordi & Beaulieu back then.
Sure, maybe they will both become better, but at the time, people also very much believed we'd had two future regular NHLers. So much so that some considered Tinordi an untouchable (past threads fo 12-13 were brought up discussing this recently).

And look at the prospects if you want to talk about going forward. Suzuki or Leblanc? Brook or Beaulieu? Poehling or Vail? Ylonen or Collberg? Romanov or Thrower? Fleury or Tinordi? Our prospects now are much much better. No contest.

Revisionist history at best. People were jumping through hoops when they saw Beaulieu drop to us. A few had him in their top 10. Again, same with Tinordi where some viewed him as an untouchable.
After the 12-13 draft, people were ecstatic about our prospects man.
Montreal went as far as to suggest Hudon had 1st line potential...
Here's what you said about Galch:

Seriously I'm tempted to give Galchenyuk a 9.5C. I really think he can crack that inner circle of Datsuyk, Malkin, Tavares, Stamkos and that other jagoff.

You also gave an 8 to Hudon, suggesting he has ''amazing potential'' and is ''easily your favorite (prospect)''.
Here is something else you said after the 12-13 draft:

I'm a pretty big optimist but I think they all have NHL potential. I've seen them all (some pretty limited) except for Nystrom but his production and camp reports are pretty encouraging.

So ya man, revisionist history at its best. People were very excited about our prospects after 2012 pool, and then we came out of the gates swinging, with a bunch of kids doing very well, notably Eller, Pk, Galch, Gallagher, Patches, Price...

It's not flawed so much as I can look at it through that lense. Well look above. Who would you take player for player? We can at least look at how those 2012 prospects were doing up until the same point of year we're at now in 2018. Collberg and Thrower were doing quite bad.

Except you're not looking at it fairly, and that's just human nature. You know those kids turned out crappy and you probably don't remember everything you said or believed at the time.

What's more flawed is using these prospect rankings when you can just compare player for player in their analogous positions and rankings like I did somewhat above. That would be more accurate not perfect of course but I'm way more pumped now than I was in '12. We're getting better early returns from these guys. I really don't think it's even close. It's significantly better now.

Again, that's only because you know what happened after 2012. Back then you were very pumped too.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Imo, the hardest upcoming decision for MB involves positioning the Habs for the expansion draft.

If he does nothing, the Habs will almost certainly lose one of Petry, Juulsen, or Mete. He then gets to keep all three for the 2019 and 2020 playoff runs.

If Bergevin trades one of them, he gets an influx of young players and / or prospects and / or picks, the Habs will do less well in the next two playoffs, and will end up losing one of their third line forwards, perhaps Danault, Lehkonen, or Armia.

Not an obvious choice at all in my opinion.

This is a no-brainer. Petry should be traded this year at this deadline for a first pick + A prospect. Many teams would die to get a d-man like Petry right now since half of the team lacks a GOOD D-man

Montreal could easily make an auction for Petry close to the deadline and cashup easily.
We'll see if Bergevin has a little of brain left or hes praying that Domi keep him from getting fired. Trading Petry and protecting the young players should be a no brainer.

Habs wont be contender in the next 3 years , so Petry will hit UFA Before should be ready. No point not trading him.

Also im sorry but Armia played 12 games in Montreal , hes no saviour , losing him in the lottery wont be a problem at all , Danault will be close to UFA at this point too. Keeping Lekhonen should be the only and simple plan out of those 3.

 

[Cobra Commander]

#Bergevision

 

[DAChampion]

This is a no-brainer. Petry should be traded this year at this deadline for a first pick + A prospect. Many teams would die to get a d-man like Petry right now since half of the team lacks a GOOD D-man

Montreal could easily make an auction for Petry close to the deadline and cashup easily.
We'll see if Bergevin has a little of brain left or hes praying that Domi keep him from getting fired. Trading Petry and protecting the young players should be a no brainer.

Habs wont be contender in the next 3 years , so Petry will hit UFA Before should be ready. No point not trading him.

Also im sorry but Armia played 12 games in Montreal , hes no saviour , losing him in the lottery wont be a problem at all , Danault will be close to UFA at this point too. Keeping Lekhonen should be the only and simple plan out of those 3.

I'm not sure if it's a no brainer.

1) Trading Petry this year would reduce the odds of a positive and extended playoff experience this year and next.
2) It would worsen the team in the regular season as well, which might undermine the development environment for the other young players.
3) Armia and Danault may not have impressed that much now, but they may be more worthwhile a year from now. The odds of that are decent, and a GM should project.

 

[DAChampion]

Galch looked great in his rookie year and that includes when we used him at center. Matter of fact, I vivily remember discussions about how sound he was defensively when he started with Prust and Gallagher. You'd rather have two guys in Domi-Drouin vs just Patches? Well ya, duh. But if you ask me to rank 12-13 Patches, present Domi and Drouin, I would probably put Pacioretty at the top. The guy was coming out of a beast year. I think people forgot how strong Patches played earlier on, crashing the net, battling in the corner, using his size, breaking Letang's head.
Up front, I'd give the edge to our current team, by a small margin.
Patches over Drouin for me.
Galch and Kotka - push
Gallagher - Gallagher - push
Domi over Plek..
Byron-Lek-Danault-Shaw-Tatar over Eller-DD-Gionta-Ryder.

So ya, I give our current forwards a slight edge. On defense though, it's laughably one sided, and it's probably why in 12-13, we we competing for the top spot, not a PO bubble one.


Disagree. Juulsen & Mete today are getting the same hype as Tinordi & Beaulieu back then.
Sure, maybe they will both become better, but at the time, people also very much believed we'd had two future regular NHLers. So much so that some considered Tinordi an untouchable (past threads fo 12-13 were brought up discussing this recently).

Revisionist history at best. People were jumping through hoops when they saw Beaulieu drop to us. A few had him in their top 10. Again, same with Tinordi where some viewed him as an untouchable.
After the 12-13 draft, people were ecstatic about our prospects man.
Montreal went as far as to suggest Hudon had 1st line potential...
Here's what you said about Galch:

You also gave an 8 to Hudon, suggesting he has ''amazing potential'' and is ''easily your favorite (prospect)''.
Here is something else you said after the 12-13 draft:


So ya man, revisionist history at its best. People were very excited about our prospects after 2012 pool, and then we came out of the gates swinging, with a bunch of kids doing very well, notably Eller, Pk, Galch, Gallagher, Patches, Price...

Except you're not looking at it fairly, and that's just human nature. You know those kids turned out crappy and you probably don't remember everything you said or believed at the time.

Again, that's only because you know what happened after 2012. Back then you were very pumped too.

Pure ownage.

I applaud of you for calling out people's hypocrisy. Yes, many people are now saying that Timmins screwed up the 2012 selection, that Galchenyuk never had any defensive game, never had any IQ, etc. A lot of these same people were saying that the pick was a no brainer three years ago.

The fact is that at the time, the conversation revolved around Galchenyuk, Grigorenko, and Forsberg, as everyone understood that Murray and Yakupov would go top two, with Yakupov being widely perceived as a future 50-goal scorer. The fans applauded the Galchenyuk pick. He was subsequently rated the #1 prospect in the entire NHL. During his rookie campaign, posters applauded his defensive awareness, his IQ, his vision. He was most compared to Marian Hossa and Jonathan Toews. His rookie season production was on par with those of Stamkos and Tavares, in spite of having had less development time due to the knee injury and then the lockout. The only weakness that people noticed was face-offs.

So the retroactive clairevoyance on Galchenyuk is bullshit.

If the Habs had drafted Filip Forsberg or Morgan Rielly, they would likely have busted.

 

[Kriss E]

Pure ownage.

I applaud of you for calling out people's hypocrisy. Yes, many people are now saying that Timmins screwed up the 2012 selection, that Galchenyuk never had any defensive game, never had any IQ, etc. A lot of these same people were saying that the pick was a no brainer three years ago.

The fact is that at the time, the conversation revolved around Galchenyuk, Grigorenko, and Forsberg, as everyone understood that Murray and Yakupov would go top two, with Yakupov being widely perceived as a future 50-goal scorer. The fans applauded the Galchenyuk pick. He was subsequently rated the #1 prospect in the entire NHL. During his rookie campaign, posters applauded his defensive awareness, his IQ, his vision. He was most compared to Marian Hossa and Jonathan Toews. His rookie season production was on par with those of Stamkos and Tavares, in spite of having had less development time due to the knee injury and then the lockout. The only weakness that people noticed was face-offs.

So the retroactive clairevoyance on Galchenyuk is bull****.

If the Habs had drafted Filip Forsberg or Morgan Rielly, they would likely have busted.

Imagine if the Caps had kept Forsberg?...

Yes, the revisionist history is really laughable here.

 

[SirClintonPortis]

Pure ownage.

I applaud of you for calling out people's hypocrisy. Yes, many people are now saying that Timmins screwed up the 2012 selection, that Galchenyuk never had any defensive game, never had any IQ, etc. A lot of these same people were saying that the pick was a no brainer three years ago.

The fact is that at the time, the conversation revolved around Galchenyuk, Grigorenko, and Forsberg, as everyone understood that Murray and Yakupov would go top two, with Yakupov being widely perceived as a future 50-goal scorer. The fans applauded the Galchenyuk pick. He was subsequently rated the #1 prospect in the entire NHL. During his rookie campaign, posters applauded his defensive awareness, his IQ, his vision. He was most compared to Marian Hossa and Jonathan Toews. His rookie season production was on par with those of Stamkos and Tavares, in spite of having had less development time due to the knee injury and then the lockout. The only weakness that people noticed was face-offs.

So the retroactive clairevoyance on Galchenyuk is bull****.

If the Habs had drafted Filip Forsberg or Morgan Rielly, they would likely have busted.

Rielly would have probably been Markov's anointed successor and Subban would have been shown the door even sooner. Bergevin wanted him and probably still wanted him.

Forsberg might be a 25-25 guy at most. Ryan Johansen is still a cut above Desharnais and Plekanec.

 

[DAChampion]

Imagine if the Caps had kept Forsberg?...

Yes, the revisionist history is really laughable here.

From what I remember, each of the recent Habs' 1st round prospects drew a lot of praise with the exception of McCarron and Juulsen.

McCarron was indeed controversial early on, and Juulsen was blasted in the draft-day thread. However, on the latter, people calmed down quickly and grew to like the prospect.

I don't remember how people responded to the Sergachev [edit: and Poehling] choices.

Perhaps I was taking time off at that time.

Kotkaniemi was controversial, but people were generally happy with the choice. It was seen as a legitimate risk

 

[Lshap]

A more objective take on the Habs' 2012 prospect pool came from the official HFBoard prospect rankings, which had us listed 8th best in the league. Despite the deep analysis, I don't think any of our former prospects became a top player in the NHL. A cautionary tale of how wrong we often are when projecting ahead for teenagers.

I won't blame today's crop of kids for the failure of the last decade of kids, but I won't project them onto the Habs' top lines, either. Optimism is great; blind optimism isn't.

 

[Kriss E]

From what I remember, each of the recent Habs' 1st round prospects drew a lot of praise with the exception of McCarron and Juulsen.

McCarron was indeed controversial early on, and Juulsen was blasted in the draft-day thread. However, on the latter, people calmed down quickly and grew to like the prospect.

I don't remember how people responded to the Sergachev choice. Perhaps I was taking time off at that time.

Kotkaniemi was controversial, but people were generally happy with the choice. It was seen as a legitimate risk.

Some people were hopeful on McCarron...our version of Lucic.
Sergachev, to some, made PK expandable...but the idea wasn't to trade him for an older less Dman.

 

[Censored Toad]

@HabsWhiteKnightLOL

I see that our posts got removed for expressing our opinions about the "truth" in the PGT....

I refuse to give molson another penny until marc is removed from this organization for ever.
He wins us a cup, I will buy a replica stanley cup and fill it with molson beer and chug it until I am sick...
Please feel free to hold me to that.

 

[Habs Halifax]

A more objective take on the Habs' 2012 prospect pool came from the official HFBoard prospect rankings, which had us listed 8th best in the league. Despite the deep analysis, I don't think any of our former prospects became a top player in the NHL. A cautionary tale of how wrong we often are when projecting ahead for teenagers.

I won't blame today's crop of kids for the failure of the last decade of kids, but I won't project them onto the Habs' top lines, either. Optimism is great; blind optimism isn't.

Prospect Pool rankings are always foolish to put too much faith into it. It's extremely difficult to predict the future. Not even Kotkaniemi can predict his own future.

 

[JohnLennon]

TB has Hedman on their top pair...McDo-Stral on their 2nd..with a blue chip guy in Sergachev on bottom..with a better offensive group, and people here are talking about us possibly being a year from contention with Kulak and Reilly on our defense...closing this up with Schlemko and Mete/Juulsen...
We are so freaking far away it's not even funny. Wake up.

Our defense is miles away from Tampa Bay. There's no getting around that.

However, Tampa is a poor example to prove your point. Almost their entire defense core was built by trade or free agency.

Stralman and Girardi were signed out of free agency, while McDonagh, Coburn and Sergachev were all acquired through trade. Now of course, in order to accomplish the things Tampa Bay has done, you have to 1) have a team that FA's are willing to sign with, and 2) have the assets (a surplus of assets, perhaps) required in order to make a trade to fill these gaps.

One can argue that if the Habs continue on this streak of success, they become a more desirable location for free agents (though still, I doubt they can compete with Tampa Bay overall due to many non-hockey related factors as well). As for trade assets, again, if the Habs continue on their current path, they will indeed have a surplus of wingers as well as some good prospects available to move in order to upgrade a position if it ever comes to the point where they would like to bolster the lineup.

I agree that the Habs seem pretty far away currently, but things change fast in the NHL and I would not be surprised if the Habs' defense looks DRASTICALLY different sooner than later. Just look at the Habs' forwards from two years ago to now for proof of that.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

I'm not sure if it's a no brainer.

1) Trading Petry this year would reduce the odds of a positive and extended playoff experience this year and next.
2) It would worsen the team in the regular season as well, which might undermine the development environment for the other young players.
3) Armia and Danault may not have impressed that much now, but they may be more worthwhile a year from now. The odds of that are decent, and a GM should project.

I will be straight honest , So what if habs make playoffs this year? They can barely fill 8th spot in east. What getting destroyed in 5 games against Tampa will be positive by the organization? Why would it ''worsen'' the team right now? They are already atrocious. Last 7 wins for habs are againast bottom 8 overall teams , yes win is a win but lets all be honest . Making playoffs do not make a player ''better'' this makes 0 sense. The only thing that change is they learn to play tight hockey during playoffs.

What would determine the development of our player in our main roster is the Coach. aka mr early 2000s. Our drafting system is bad too. Its almost been 7 years that Bergevin joined the habs. If u remove Kotkaniemi and Sergachev because he was traded before. Habs did not draft and develop a top liner forward, top pair d-man or a nhl goalie in 6 DRAFTS , 66666.


Also yes this is early maybe but Armia but i dont see him higher than 3rd liner. He was doing ''ok'' with Kotka and lekhonen before he was injured but lets not drop conclusion 2 fast. Also Danault wont get better , hes capped and he makes tatar and gallagher bad on an offensive line.

That's about it. I know some people only want the habs to enter the playoff and have ''the slimmest chance'' to win the cup every years. But lucky teams that make the playoffs at the last second never win.

My opinion , if we wanna go far and have a great team to watch , we need to draft them , every solid teams did it. Yes im a huge FAN of habs but i hate waching this team right now. Do you like see seeing Danault top 6 , Andrew shaw in the top 3. Drouin our ''second best forward'' Our awful dsquad. I want a a franchise player whos fun to watch , a young team that skates with talent , i wanna see a good show and not a ''omg Price did not save 50 pucks to win 2-1 the game''. Right now we paid 10.5m for a goalie to save this franchise , which obv he cant do because his team is bad overall.

 

[WG]

Imo, the hardest upcoming decision for MB involves positioning the Habs for the expansion draft.

If he does nothing, the Habs will almost certainly lose one of Petry, Juulsen, or Mete. He then gets to keep all three for the 2019 and 2020 playoff runs.

If Bergevin trades one of them, he gets an influx of young players and / or prospects and / or picks, the Habs will do less well in the next two playoffs, and will end up losing one of their third line forwards, perhaps Danault, Lehkonen, or Armia.

Not an obvious choice at all in my opinion.

Bergevin shrewdly manipulated the last expansion draft by assembling a roster with so few valuable players he protected Benn and Shaw just to fill out his allotment.

If the Vegas experience taught us anything, you should just protect your players, no side deals, let Seattle take your 10th or 11th best player and carry on. If we lose one of Danault, Armia, Lekhonen etc. then so be it. For that matter, if we lose age-34 Petry, Mete or Juulsen it's not some monstrous loss, either.

And yes, given where we're at, Petry should be dealt some time before his contract is up, for picks/prospects who will be around when we have a legit chance to win again, which isn't likely this year or next.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I will be straight honest , So what if habs make playoffs this year? They can barely fill 8th spot in east. What getting destroyed in 5 games against Tampa will be positive by the organization? Why would it ''worsen'' the team right now? They are already atrocious. Last 7 wins for habs are againast bottom 8 overall teams , yes win is a win but lets all be honest . Making playoffs do not make a player ''better'' this makes 0 sense. The only thing that change is they learn to play tight hockey during playoffs.

What would determine the development of our player in our main roster is the Coach. aka mr early 2000s. Our drafting system is bad too. Its almost been 7 years that Bergevin joined the habs. If u remove Kotkaniemi and Sergachev because he was traded before. Habs did not draft and develop a top liner forward, top pair d-man or a nhl goalie in 6 DRAFTS , 66666.


Also yes this is early maybe but Armia but i dont see him higher than 3rd liner. He was doing ''ok'' with Kotka and lekhonen before he was injured but lets not drop conclusion 2 fast. Also Danault wont get better , hes capped and he makes tatar and gallagher bad on an offensive line.

That's about it. I know some people only want the habs to enter the playoff and have ''the slimmest chance'' to win the cup every years. But lucky teams that make the playoffs at the last second never win.

My opinion , if we wanna go far and have a great team to watch , we need to draft them , every solid teams did it. Yes im a huge FAN of habs but i hate waching this team right now. Do you like see seeing Danault top 6 , Andrew shaw in the top 3. Drouin our ''second best forward'' Our awful dsquad. I want a a franchise player whos fun to watch , a young team that skates with talent , i wanna see a good show and not a ''omg Price did not save 50 pucks to win 2-1 the game''. Right now we paid 10.5m for a goalie to save this franchise , which obv he cant do because his team is bad overall.

I think most fans agree with you and so do I. We are tried of this "make the playoffs where anything can happen strategy" Time to employ a different strategy and it's starts with selling any assets that are not part of our core in 3+ years. The time is now before some of our assets are not trending well next year.

Molson needs to fulfill his President role or find someone who can. The goal is to win cups! It's time for a new strategy. We have been on the same one since 2012... it's not working

 

[CHwest]

If the Habs had drafted Filip Forsberg or Morgan Rielly, they would likely have busted.

Sadly I believe this. Habs have a history of rushing prospects and it is happening this year. Mete, Juulsen, KK should all be in lower leagues working on skill and confidience. The binman is worried about his job and will do anything to win now. Unfortunately it is counter productive to young players development.

 

[sheed36]

@HabsWhiteKnightLOL

I see that our posts got removed for expressing our opinions about the "truth" in the PGT....

I refuse to give molson another penny until marc is removed from this organization for ever.
He wins us a cup, I will buy a replica stanley cup and fill it with molson beer and chug it until I am sick...
Please feel free to hold me to that.

How did this post survive the recent cleansing. Great job building such a great defense Marc. Go Habs Go!!

 

[Censored Toad]

How did this post survive the recent cleansing. Great job building such a great defense Marc. Go Habs Go!!

Unsure, it appears that GDT and PGT are more tightly monitored ?? Duno sheed, hfhabs is a mystery to me sometimes!

@HabsWhiteKnightLOL
Your post above is great and summarizes my feelings 100%. Thank you for a great post

 

[sheed36]

Unsure, it appears that GDT and PGT are more tightly monitored ?? Duno sheed, hfhabs is a mystery to me sometimes!

@HabsWhiteKnightLOL
Your post above is great and summarizes my feelings 100%. Thank you for a great post

I don't know anymore either but it's very frustrating to post here right now. I don't like what's going on with this board right now so it's probably best if I stopped discussing the Habs here and just stick with the non Habs related stuff here instead. Driving members away from this board is one way to get what they want here I guess.

 

[417]

Sadly I believe this. Habs have a history of rushing prospects and it is happening this year. Mete, Juulsen, KK should all be in lower leagues working on skill and confidience. The binman is worried about his job and will do anything to win now. Unfortunately it is counter productive to young players development.

This is ridiculous...

Do you know how many minor league games Morgan Reilly played?

14 games before he graduated full time to the NHL

 

[417]

Pure ownage.

I applaud of you for calling out people's hypocrisy. Yes, many people are now saying that Timmins screwed up the 2012 selection, that Galchenyuk never had any defensive game, never had any IQ, etc. A lot of these same people were saying that the pick was a no brainer three years ago.

The fact is that at the time, the conversation revolved around Galchenyuk, Grigorenko, and Forsberg, as everyone understood that Murray and Yakupov would go top two, with Yakupov being widely perceived as a future 50-goal scorer. The fans applauded the Galchenyuk pick. He was subsequently rated the #1 prospect in the entire NHL. During his rookie campaign, posters applauded his defensive awareness, his IQ, his vision. He was most compared to Marian Hossa and Jonathan Toews. His rookie season production was on par with those of Stamkos and Tavares, in spite of having had less development time due to the knee injury and then the lockout. The only weakness that people noticed was face-offs.

So the retroactive clairevoyance on Galchenyuk is bull****.

If the Habs had drafted Filip Forsberg or Morgan Rielly, they would likely have busted.

I'd love to know how you've reached this hypothesis?

Dave Nonis was the General Manager of the Leafs when they drafted/developed Morgan Rielly...what did he and his staff do so wonderfully that the Habs couldn't have possibly replicated with Rielly???

Also...as far as Galchenyuk comparables to Hossa or Toews, jeez...when was he ever considered to be comparable to them? Sorry, I don't recall this...

 

[DAChampion]

I'd love to know how you've reached this hypothesis?

Dave Nonis was the General Manager of the Leafs when they drafted/developed Morgan Rielly...what did he and his staff do so wonderfully that the Habs couldn't have possibly replicated with Rielly???

We can always count on you for Bergevin love.

First of all Rielly was not rushed -- he played the 2013 season in the minors, unlike Galchenyuk. He played a full 74 games in the lower leagues after being drafted.

In his rookie season, he was allowed to develop his game. Rielly played 18 minutes a game in his first year, not 12, the Leafs did not go find a 5'4 player to cuddle up on the depth charts. This progressed to over 20 minutes a game in Rielly's second year.

All of this was extremely obvious -- I did not even need to look it up. Toronto behaved as any rational organization would have behaved. They put their prize prospect in a position to succeed.

 

[417]

We can always count on you for Bergevin love.

I didn't even ****ing write the name BERGEVIN...WTF are you talking about???

Like literally NOTHING I wrote has ANYTHING to do with Bergevin.

Get a freaking clue!

First of all Rielly was not rushed -- he played the 2013 season in the minors, unlike Galchenyuk. He played a full 74 games in the lower leagues after being drafted.

I will repeat what you clearly glossed over in my original post when you were too busy making imaginary connections to me and Bergevin.

Morgan Reilly played TOTAL of 14 games in the AHL during the 2013 season. He played those 14 games at the end of his junior season.

14 games.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that those 14 games is what made him develop??

I'd love to know how many Habs fans, prior to last season, would have ever even considered trading Galchenyuk for Rielly...this is hilarious!

In his rookie season, he was allowed to develop his game. Rielly played 18 minutes a game in his first year, not 12, the Leafs did not go find a 5'4 player to cuddle up on the depth charts. This progressed to over 20 minutes a game in Rielly's second year.

In his rookie season...Morgan Rielly averaged 17:38 mins per game, which was 5th behind

Dion Phaneuf (23:34)
Jake Gardiner (21:05)
Cody Franson (20:41)
Carl Gunnarson (19:25)

Come again????

Is this the wonderful development plan under Randy freaking Carlisle that you're trying to promote??

Please explain what the difference between the Leafs playing Rielly on a 3rd pair is SO MUCH better than the Habs playing Galchenyuk on the 3rd line in their rookie years???

I'd love to know what you think Dave Nonis and his Director of Player Development at the time (his name is Jim Hughes, i'm sure you had no freaking clue) did so wonderfully during his first few years before Nonis was eventually fired that 6yrs after being drafted, you've now had an epiphany and realized they developed him so well and the Habs would have destroyed him???

All of this was extremely obvious -- I did not even need to look it up. Toronto behaved as any rational organization would have behaved. They put their prize prospect in a position to succeed.

No...

You CLEARLY didn't look it up.

That much is painfully obvious

What a rubbish post

 

[DAChampion]

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