Marc Bergevin Part II: Better Than Expected

[Deluded Puck]

The idea that nobody wants to play in Montreal is a myth promoted by management defenders.

We know that Camnalleri, Hamrlik, Petry, Kovalev, and Radulov we're each enthusiastic about playing in Montreal.

I should have made my sarcasm more obvious -My bad. I will say that Julien is a far more appealing coach for FA’s to work under than Therrien.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Better to be chaotically lucky rather than good and calculating, I guess.

Operating solely on luck will inevitably get you into a ditch

The present moment is never a guarantee of the future, especially when it comes to luck/timming.

Our vision is always skewed by the experiences of our past, but the present can be even more misleading in our perception. Same as when they were down the ditch.

Now that begs the question. Are we seeing an extreme and was last year also a reversed extreme and if both of these propositions are true, does that put us more somewhere in between? Somewhere that, without the high present peak, we'd all be puking at the perspective of being a middle pack team.

Will this level of performance be sustainable?

Will blind luck lead us anywhere desirable?

 

[Belial]

 

[Lshap]

Cool. Weber, Kotkaniemi and Lehkonen are close and could easily surpass 10. I wonder what the record for double-digit goal scorers is.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

Cool. Weber, Kotkaniemi and Lehkonen are close and could easily surpass 10. I wonder what the record for double-digit goal scorers is.

Not sure but the 80-81 Oilers had 14
The 81-82 Isles had 13
The 91-92 Pens had 13

Just did a few high scoring teams and it's what I found

 

[Sorinth]

Not sure but the 80-81 Oilers had 14
The 81-82 Isles had 13
The 91-92 Pens had 13

Just did a few high scoring teams and it's what I found

Realistically all your top-9 forwards should hit 10 goals, and at least one defenceman should be close. So I would expect only bad teams to not reach 9-10 players.

We will probably hit 12, but I think part of that is injuries to Weber and Byron. Losing Weber for so many games allowed Petry to score more as he became the defacto PP point shot. And Byron's injury has probably allowed a bigger role for Lehkonen/Armia who will both likely hit 10, but could've missed if Byron didn't miss over half the season.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

Realistically all your top-9 forwards should hit 10 goals, and at least one defenceman should be close. So I would expect only bad teams to not reach 9-10 players.

We will probably hit 12, but I think part of that is injuries to Weber and Byron. Losing Weber for so many games allowed Petry to score more as he became the defacto PP point shot. And Byron's injury has probably allowed a bigger role for Lehkonen/Armia who will both likely hit 10, but could've missed if Byron didn't miss over half the season.

2015-16
The high scoring Capitals only had 8
That same year, the Penguins who won the Stanley Cup also only had 8

It's not that easy to have 9 or 10

 

[ProspectsFanatic]

Remember when we had that argument about who is the worst GM between Dorion and MB. Hughes or Kakko going to a western team in Colorado will help accelerate that Ottawa rebuild, smart strategy @The Great Schlemko

 

[DAChampion]

Remember when we had that argument about who is the worst GM between Dorion and MB. Hughes or Kakko going to a western team in Colorado will help accelerate that Ottawa rebuild, smart strategy @The Great Schlemko

MB doesn't have any of the worst trades currently affecting the NHL on his resume.

Hall for Larsson, and Erat for Forsberg, are likely those trades, and both are by GMs that are now gone.

One can argue that Johansen for Jones is such a trade, but I won't, but if so, Poile has an even balance.

Drouin for Sergachev appeared to be such a trade last year, but it is not this year.

Duchene for a lottery pick may end up being just as bad, we'll see.

Pacioretty for Suzuki could end up being just as bad, which would reflect *very well* on MB, but we'll have to wait to know.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

MB doesn't have any of the worst trades currently affecting the NHL on his resume.

Hall for Larsson, and Erat for Forsberg, are likely those trades, and both are by GMs that are now gone.

One can argue that Johansen for Jones is such a trade, but I won't, but if so, Poile has an even balance.

Drouin for Sergachev appeared to be such a trade last year, but it is not this year.

Duchene for a lottery pick may end up being just as bad, we'll see.

Pacioretty for Suzuki could end up being just as bad, which would reflect *very well* on MB, but we'll have to wait to know.

His asset management still sucks donkey balls on a sweaty summer day

 

[ProspectsFanatic]

MB doesn't have any of the worst trades currently affecting the NHL on his resume.

Hall for Larsson, and Erat for Forsberg, are likely those trades, and both are by GMs that are now gone.

One can argue that Johansen for Jones is such a trade, but I won't, but if so, Poile has an even balance.

Drouin for Sergachev appeared to be such a trade last year, but it is not this year.

Duchene for a lottery pick may end up being just as bad, we'll see.

Pacioretty for Suzuki could end up being just as bad, which would reflect *very well* on MB, but we'll have to wait to know.

Losing the Lucic derby avoided what would have been his worst mistake though. To me, MB is like an average GM. It is easy to cherry-pick, you can't be right 100% of the time. Not resigning Radulov was the easiest/obvious decision to make that cost us I would say, we really needed him and it wasn't like he was asking to be highly overpaid, not using the money at his disposal is hard to justify afterward. Also, trading Sergachev, our 9th overall pick, for which sort of end up being a substitute for Radulov was dumb from that perspective.

 

[Sorinth]

2015-16
The high scoring Capitals only had 8
That same year, the Penguins who won the Stanley Cup also only had 8

It's not that easy to have 9 or 10

They didn't make it due to injuries

Washington had Beagle and Carlsson at 8 goals but the players missed 25 & 26 games respectively. Same goes for Pittsburgh, Bonnino, Fehr, Sheary even Bennet had the goal scoring paces to hit 10 but missed a bunch of games.

So yeah how healthy the team is will for sure also play a factor.

 

[ProspectsFanatic]

Remember when we had that argument about who is the worst GM between Dorion and MB. Hughes or Kakko going to a western team in Colorado will help accelerate that Ottawa rebuild, smart strategy @The Great Schlemko

@The Great Schlemko (I think notification didn't work the first time because I edited)

 

[Kriss E]

They didn't make it due to injuries

Washington had Beagle and Carlsson at 8 goals but the players missed 25 & 26 games respectively. Same goes for Pittsburgh, Bonnino, Fehr, Sheary even Bennet had the goal scoring paces to hit 10 but missed a bunch of games.

So yeah how healthy the team is will for sure also play a factor.

Not to mention the scoring in the NHL has increased as a whole.

 

[FF de Mars]

Here is a forecast : Kotkaniemi, like Point, Laine, Matthews, will probably ask for a huge contract when his entry level one expires. The whole NHL is trending in that direction. Bergevin will have to spend cap room on KK sooner than he had for PK.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Here is a forecast : Kotkaniemi, like Point, Laine, Matthews, will probably ask for a huge contract when his entry level one expires. The whole NHL is trending in that direction. Bergevin will have to spend cap room on KK sooner than he had for PK.

Still depends on how Kotka does.

And it all depends on the vote coming next september for the present CBA as we are nearing the two year extention. Both parties will have an option to remove themselves from the present CBA, which would end after next season (2019-20) is done if they vote in favor to do so, instead of 2021-22. NHL has first vote on september 1st and the NHLPA's option comes on september 19th.

If one of either party decides to call it quits, Kotka's new deal might be in the present CBA or the next CBA, and if it's in the next, who knows what new rules players and teams will have to deal with.

 

[teamfirst]

Pretty quiet here........must be doing allright. keep up the good work MB

 

[Kotkaniemi15]

I just came across this video about PK and the Children's Hospital and it reminded me why I'll never forgive Bergevin.

 

[scrubadam]

Hey not a bad little week for MB.

Turned Schelmko, Froese, and a 4th into Weise, Follin, Thompson and a 5th. Rebuilt our 4th line and essentially cost nothing. And Weise Salary is 1.75 next year so his $$$ is actually less then his cap hit.

Not to mention the habs went 3-0-2 and got 8 out of 10 points.

So far he is sticking to what he said, isn't selling the future. Lets see what TDL holds. I think MB is biding his time seeing if he can sneak in and get a cheap deal.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Hey not a bad little week for MB.

Turned Schelmko, Froese, and a 4th into Weise, Follin, Thompson and a 5th. Rebuilt our 4th line and essentially cost nothing. And Weise Salary is 1.75 next year so his $$$ is actually less then his cap hit.

Not to mention the habs went 3-0-2 and got 8 out of 10 points.

So far he is sticking to what he said, isn't selling the future. Lets see what TDL holds. I think MB is biding his time seeing if he can sneak in and get a cheap deal.

The price was so cheap for Wiese and Thompson that I wouldn't mind shelling out a bit for an LD.

 

[Andrei79]

The price was so cheap for Wiese and Thompson that I wouldn't mind shelling out a bit for an LD.

Honestly, acquiring garbage, free or whatever, shouldn't ever really determine if you should fill legitimate needs.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Honestly, acquiring garbage, free or whatever, shouldn't ever really determine if you should fill legitimate needs.

Thompson and Wiese are garbage? Both are quality assets on a 4th line. Chaput is garbage. Peca is garbage.

My point is that I thought we'd have had to give up a 2nd/3rd to address the 4th line C issue, and perhaps a guy like Hudon to get a winger like Wiese. Now we can use those assets to get an LD.

 

[Andrei79]

Thompson and Wiese are garbage? Both are quality assets on a 4th line. Chaput is garbage. Peca is garbage.

My point is that I thought we'd have had to give up a 2nd/3rd to address the 4th line C issue, and perhaps a guy like Hudon to get a winger like Wiese. Now we can use those assets to get an LD.

Well yeah, they're valued as such by their former teams. Thompson cost all of 15-20 spots in the 4th-5th round and Weise you can barely tell if the players we gave up ever played in the NHL. Garbage for garbage. But, they're better fits than their previous teams and they'll give us NHL 4th line minutes, with the potential to do more. It's still far from being a reason why you'd go/not go for a LD. Even at the most, how much could they really have cost to put a break on that project ?

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Well yeah, they're valued as such by their former teams. Thompson cost all of 15-20 spots in the 4th-5th round and Weise you can barely tell if the players we gave up ever played in the NHL. Garbage for garbage. But, they're better fits than their previous teams and they'll give us NHL 4th line minutes, with the potential to do more. It's still far from being a reason why you'd go/not go for a LD. Even at the most, how much could they really have cost to put a break on that project ?

I'm saying that since we didn't have to give up anything to address our needs up front (4th line), we can now better afford to give up something to address the need on D (top 4 LD). Not sure what you are trying to argue about...

 

[Andrei79]

I'm saying that since we didn't have to give up anything to address our needs up front (4th line), we can now better afford to give up something to address the need on D (top 4 LD). Not sure what you are trying to argue about...

Trades for 4th liners won't affect if you can trade for a top 4 LD pretty much by definition.