Maple Leafs grant Islanders permission to speak to Brendan Shanahan (upd: released by Leafs)

[2ndGenIslander]

I mean, the leafs were set up pretty significantly to be successful. It's not his fault the team is a cumulation of mental infants who freeze under pressure.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

I’ll never get how guys can fail horrifically at their jobs in this league and just go somewhere else. Front offices care way too much about what guys did on the ice. This is insane

The NHL teams are simply not willing to take risks. They settle for conservative even when the world knows it is not the best solution.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I mean, the leafs were set up pretty significantly to be successful. It's not his fault the team is a cumulation of mental infants who freeze under pressure.

of course it is management's fault. It's up to them to acquire players with the right character that will do what it takes to win.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

I mean, the leafs were set up pretty significantly to be successful. It's not his fault the team is a cumulation of mental infants who freeze under pressure.

It's literally his fault. Not only did he enable that culture, but when Dubas finally decided enough was enough, he fired him because he didn't want to break up the core four and admit his "Shanaplan" was a total failure.

 

[um]

I mean, the leafs were set up pretty significantly to be successful. It's not his fault the team is a cumulation of mental infants who freeze under pressure.

It's his fault they were paid like superstars.

 

[goeb]

What is it with underperforming Leaf management that teams act like they are the most successful ones around? Dubas gets that absurd contract and job with Pittsburgh and now most likely Shanny gonna run the show in NYI

It is all relative. Islanders have been a fringe playoff team over the past 3-4 years. The Horvat trade has had awful results, and they need to blow it up like Shanahan did with the Leafs.

Islanders aren't looking for a title in 5 years, they just want to consistently make the playoffs and rebuild.

Same kind of goes for the Penguins.

These teams would be thrilled to have the problem the Leafs have right now. Perennial playoff team that gives their fans enough hope.

To steelman that though, there is a lot of variables that go into a rebuild like the Leafs had. You need some luck in the draft lottery (which for the Leafs Matthews), and need to hope you can draft quality 1st rounders like Nylander and Marner. And who knows how involved Shanahan was with that.

That being said, it is ironic they want another Leafs castoff after terminating Lou (who initially started off very well but makes awful trades).

 

[red devil]

 

[Thrasymachus]

 

[AvroArrow]

I mean, the leafs were set up pretty significantly to be successful. It's not his fault the team is a cumulation of mental infants who freeze under pressure.

Shanahan hired Dubas and lost Hunter

He's the most responsible for the teams failures, more so than Dubas

Hires a rookie GM, lets him sign those atrocious RFA deals. Dubas came out and said basically Shanny gets the final say on everything, when he left Toronto, that was the reason why. He wanted full autonomy and didn't want to get Shannys approval on everything. That's why he took the job in Pittsburgh, they've both been really bad.





But here's some horrible asset management that Shanny signed off on

The horrible Marleau deal for 3 years
Trading a 1st (Seth Jarvis) to dump Marleau

Trading away Kadri for Kerfoot and Barrie

Signing Tavares when we had Kadri + Matthews up the middle already

Bending over for Marner/Matthews on their RFA deals, including giving Marner the NMC which bit us in the ass this year

Trading away the Konecny draft pick to move back in the draft and select Dermott (lol)

Not changing up the core earlier, in most Leafs fans opinions the core should've been broken up after we lost the Montreal series

 

[shaner82]

I mean, the leafs were set up pretty significantly to be successful. It's not his fault the team is a cumulation of mental infants who freeze under pressure.

Not entirely, no.
But ultimately, the players on the team are there because of him. He oversees it all.
He did a lot of good things, but there's plenty of bad.
He let Dubas run with the failed analytics experiment. Not that analytics is bad, but speed isn't everything. Size, strength, grit, etc. all matter too.
He hired Keefe,
He allowed for horrible contracts to be handed out.
He didn't trade Marner before the NTC kicked in, meaning we will lose him for nothing.

There's a dark period coming for this team due to years of mismanagement. That's on Shanahan.

 

[TGWL]

Sometimes you need to take the simple path and hire people with proven track records.
*Looks around the room*
Where are all the people with proven track records?

 

[KrisLetAngry]

What is wrong with this league

How desperate do you have to be to be after Shanahan today

10 years ago I get it, today just pure desperation

I definitely would not want to hire him.

League just keeps rehiring guys who fail. I don't get it.

 

[Menzinger]

The league does an absurdly laughable job if recycling failed execs from front office to front office.

Positively, Isles fans can hope he likely learned lessons from his time with the Leafs. Leafs fans at the moment likely hold a fair amount of (justified) scorn for his mistakes

I think at his core, some of his more interesting moves were early on. He identified what he wanted and didn't sit on his hands. He pushed the board to do a through the draft rebuild (which was his biggest impact and was 100% the right call). Actually used the Leafs resources and built an entire analytics department and ensured the team had world class facilities. And his big risk/decision was to stick with his strategy through his time with the team (building a top heavy team), it didn't work mind you, but there's some credit going through with things.

 

[Craig Button]

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[Avs2022]

Do Patrick Roy and Shanahan hug it out?

 

[NYRnine94]

As a Rangers fan, good lmao

 

[ThreeLeftSkates]

These teams would be thrilled to have the problem the Leafs have right now. Perennial playoff team that gives their fans enough hope.

The centennial of Toronto's last Cup is coming up pretty soon. Every other team is jealous of that.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Hopefully Marner goes to NYI at least we wouldn't have to worry about him winning anything there

 

[Gil Gunderson]

At the very least at least he might be able to provide direction, something the Islanders badly need.

 

[Canovin]

Shanahan legacy will be taking one or two bad contracts from Toronto to Long Island in order for Toronto to pass the 2nd round

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Sometimes you need to take the simple path and hire people with proven track records.
*Looks around the room*
Where are all the people with proven track records?

I'm surprised Mike Gillis hasn't gotten a role somewhere.

I remember he interviewed with Ottawa for a president position and apparently Eugene Melnyk was grossed out because he said he wanted to improve facilities and player amenities.

 

[saintunspecified]

NYI fan, and I don't really know what to think about Shanahan. (There are few things I trust less than the Toronto sports media.)

But I do know that John Collins is conducting NYI's search, and that Shanahan both worked for, and was promoted by Collins in the league office. I really doubt that Collins thinks that he needs to interview him. So, I think this is Shanahan's job if he wants it. I really don't see the point of the Islanders asking for permission to talk to him otherwise.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Islanders already have Patrick Roy right there who is an unknown but has a good hockey head

Why go for him, when you can instead go for a dude who built a meme team, a team that will be remembered throughout History for their embarrassing losses, over a decade long

 

[tfwnogf]

I'm gonna hurl

 

[MMC]