Managerial Thread - 24/25 Season - Lolves/Lolthampton

[Savant]

 

[Chimaera]

What actual track record does INEOS have. So far they bungled and publicly attempted to replace the past manager. Either pissing off or basically being rejected by most candidates. They then gutted the back room, forced some changes and Then they extended and had to fire him. They’ve cut costs to where it’s a running joke (and a bit of a disgrace to some). Sure, they’ve got some work moving on making that dump of a stadium less so, though that’s still down the road. They’ve come out and said they would pick players and hand to manager, only to pick a relatively rigid manager who needs particular players. They have failed to get rid of a lot of the junk that is there to significant returns. It’s still early days, but it looks closer to the former than latter

That’s without even considering they say their targets are 2028. What kind of a joke has it become where that’s acceptable

 

[maclean]

I will say this - yes, Amorim is a good hire. But bad environments can kill good coaches just as much as they can ruin good players, I'm sure I don't need to provide examples, so I'll pass no judgment one way or the other until we see how things pan out

 

[Savant]

What actual track record does INEOS have. So far they bungled and publicly attempted to replace the past manager. Either pissing off or basically being rejected by most candidates. They then gutted the back room, forced some changes and Then they extended and had to fire him. They’ve cut costs to where it’s a running joke (and a bit of a disgrace to some). Sure, they’ve got some work moving on making that dump of a stadium less so, though that’s still down the road. They’ve come out and said they would pick players and hand to manager, only to pick a relatively rigid manager who needs particular players. They have failed to get rid of a lot of the junk that is there to significant returns. It’s still early days, but it looks closer to the former than latter

That’s without even considering they say their targets are 2028. What kind of a joke has it become where that’s acceptable

If they were brilliant they wouldn't have given a lame duck manager an extension, let alone give them another nine figures in the transfer market. If they were brilliants they would have shut that down. That ETH payoff going to be on PSR now too

 

[Jovavic]

Winning that trophy over City really f***ed them up, could've sacked ETH then, gotten the new guy in and have him in the transfer window getting his players

 

[hatterson]

Winning that trophy over City really f***ed them up, could've sacked ETH then, gotten the new guy in and have him in the transfer window getting his players

Brilliant 5d chess by City to hamstring United like that.

 

[Ceremony]

Ugarte is a bad purchase?

Spending 50 million on a player and your head coach not using him is pretty stupid.

Funding this by selling a homegrown player who actually cared about the club and is currently strolling it at the top of Serie A is top tier stuff.

 

[Jussi]

Funding this by selling a homegrown player who actually cared about the club and is currently strolling it at the top of Serie A is top tier stuff.

Completely different type of players. United needed a Ugarte type of player more than McTominay's type.

 

[les Habs]

Funding this by selling a homegrown player who actually cared about the club and is currently strolling it at the top of Serie A is top tier stuff.

Essentially what I said a few times in the Summer. Can’t understand selling McTominay of all people. I don’t look at it as entirely to do with Ugarte, but plenty of other players they could have offloaded before him.

Anyway, I’m more curious who Sporting find to replace Amorim and than Amorim to United.

 

[Chimaera]

Winning that trophy over City really f***ed them up, could've sacked ETH then, gotten the new guy in and have him in the transfer window getting his players

Tbh the trophy likely didn’t do it. They shit the bed when they went after managers and didn’t close the deal. That left them holding the bag without any real options

 

[Jussi]

Essentially what I said a few times in the Summer. Can’t understand selling McTominay of all people. I don’t look at it as entirely to do with Ugarte, but plenty of other players they could have offloaded before him.

Anyway, I’m more curious who Sporting find to replace Amorim and than Amorim to United.

McTominay was the only one gathering concrete interest. And selling him helped the most with PSR.

 

[les Habs]

McTominay was the only one gathering concrete interest. And selling him helped the most with PSR.

They could have offloaded other players as well, and they shouldn’t have brought in some players. I would say the same about other clubs including Barca.

 

[Jussi]

They could have offloaded other players as well, and they shouldn’t have brought in some players. I would say the same about other clubs including Barca.

You can't offload if a) player doesn't want to move or b) one wants to buy them. This isn't he NHL.

 

[les Habs]

You can't offload if a) player doesn't want to move or b) one wants to buy them. This isn't he NHL.

No kidding. Did you just figure that out? Still could have offloaded other players.

 

[Jussi]

No kidding. Did you just figure that out? Still could have offloaded other players.

Such as?

 

[Evilo]

They did offload Sancho

 

[hatterson]

What other players were they going to offload for 30m?

 

[Jussi]

They did offload Sancho

Loan with obligation to buy, but yes, indeed.

What other players were they going to offload for 30m?

Very much this.

 

[Savant]

What other players were they going to offload for 30m?

I mean, I also wouldn’t have sanctioned them buying any more Dutch/Ajax guys for a lame duck manager. So, to me at least, it wasn’t so much about offloading 30, it would have been about keeping those guys and not buying more ETH favorites. But what do I know. I just wouldn’t have given ETH more spending money

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Someone would’ve easily taken a flyer on rashford for 30 million

 

[Jussi]

I mean, I also wouldn’t have sanctioned them buying any more Dutch/Ajax guys for a lame duck manager. So, to me at least, it wasn’t so much about offloading 30, it would have been about keeping those guys and not buying more ETH favorites. But what do I know. I just wouldn’t have given ETH more spending money

All 3 (de Ligt, Mazraoui and Zirkzee) were scouted by the new sporting leadership, not ETH. He approved them, since he had a veto right. Amorim reportedly doesn't.

 

[Savant]

All 3 (de Ligt, Mazraoui and Zirkzee) were scouted by the new sporting leadership, not ETH. He approved them, since he had a veto right. Amorim reportedly doesn't.

I don’t believe that and you shouldn’t either. Yoro I can give the new guys credit for. No way on the others

 

[Jussi]

Someone would’ve easily taken a flyer on rashford for 30 million

Not a single concrete offer arrived. Tabloid rumors of PSG interest but nope, nothing.

 

[Savant]

Someone would’ve easily taken a flyer on rashford for 30 million

Honestly, at his wages, probably not

 

[Jussi]

I don’t believe that and you shouldn’t either. Yoro I can give the new guys credit for. No way on the others

All the Tier 1 sources reported it. The Athletic etc.