Management Thread | Past. Current. Future. + Poll.

[ULF_55]

That failed Lindros trade.

And the revenge trading of Lanny.

Mahovlich trade.

I am too young to remember the trade, but remember the rewards of the ill-fated trading for a defenseman and making him into a center.

 

[DarkKnight]

Man, if people don't subscribe to the Athletic and don't know what apologists that Mirtle and Jonas Seigal are...listen to the reaction of Mirtle when Bunkis starts to talk about Dubas. Mirtle quite quickly points out that it's an "AHL" roster at forward because of the injuries etc...blah blah. I doubt Mirtle would have extended the same excuse for Tre if the Leafs had a lot of injuries....And I am not even totally sold on Tre but at least I am willing to give him a chance unlike the Athletic staff.

That was a sad interview. He just couldn't give Tre any credit for the win, blathered on about Reaves and Klingberg. Mirtle has tarnished himself, and when he's teamed with Jonas, it's unbearable and unlistenable. Bunkis was hilarious later talking about Dubists, how he became some fans identity, and how weird it was.

 

[NinjaKick]

Our core really has been a combined effort over a long period of time and several GMs

Rielly : Burke
Nylander : Nonis
Marner : Dubas/Hunter
Matthews : Lamoriello
Tavares: Dubas

true. however, all of those players on their current contracts were signed by Dubas. not saying it was bad or good. just saying.

maybe in hindsight Tavares was a mistake. maybe. the fact of the matter is when we signed Tavares, his contract set the precedent for our core.

 

[Jojalu]

This whole scenario has become like US politics where neither side seems able to concede any point.

Lou did his job and got the rebuild going. Overall he did a fairly decent job.

Dubas and or Shanny staked their career that the core could get it done. I will give him credit for seemingly shifting away from skill and realising you need to have some guys that will run through walls. It was too little too late.

Tre we all wait to see how this version of the team works in the playoffs.

If the Leafs go on a deep run or possibly win the Cup, then Dubas ends up being correct that you can win with 4 forwards making 50% of the cap.

If not, Brad gets his shot to shape this team.

 

[rumman]

That was a sad interview. He just couldn't give Tre any credit for the win, blathered on about Reaves and Klingberg. Mirtle has tarnished himself, and when he's teamed with Jonas, it's unbearable and unlistenable. Bunkis was hilarious later talking about Dubists, how he became some fans identity, and how weird it was.

who reads that rag, and more disturbing who pays to read said rag..........

 

[rumman]

This whole scenario has become like US politics where neither side seems able to concede any point.

Lou did his job and got the rebuild going. Overall he did a fairly decent job.

Dubas and or Shanny staked their career that the core could get it done. I will give him credit for seemingly shifting away from skill and realising you need to have some guys that will run through walls. It was too little too late.

Tre we all wait to see how this version of the team works in the playoffs.

If the Leafs go on a deep run or possibly win the Cup, then Dubas ends up being correct that you can win with 4 forwards making 50% of the cap.

If not, Brad gets his shot to shape this team.

I still hold firm that you cannot win the cup paying half your cap to four fowards, sure you can exceed in the regular season, but the short comings of dumpster diving to fill out the roster always shows it's ugly head when the games really matter..............

 

[Jojalu]

I still hold firm that you cannot win the cup paying half your cap to four fowards, sure you can exceed in the regular season, but the short comings of dumpster diving to fill out the roster always shows it's ugly head when the games really matter..............

You could very well be right. I hope you are wrong as that would mean the Leafs find success this year. If not, we will have to wait to see what Brad has in store.

 

[GoonieFace]

I still hold firm that you cannot win the cup paying half your cap to four fowards, sure you can exceed in the regular season, but the short comings of dumpster diving to fill out the roster always shows it's ugly head when the games really matter..............

I think it’s possible if the mix of forwards is right, I don’t think this one is, prove me wrong Leafs

 

[leafs in five]

I don't really listen to Mirtle or Siegel either but I found the part about 18 mins into their most recent media appearance to be pretty interesting

 

[Menzinger]

you guys are all focusing on the wrong people

Shanahan has been here a decade with just a single playoff round win during all that time and somehow still has his job



THAT is what needs explaining

I think Shanahan has made a number of errors worthy of legit criticisms.

On the other hand, prior to him coming on board the Leafs spent a decade not even being able to make the playoffs (and only did so in 2013 due to the shortened season), and had one of the worst prospect development systems in all of pro sports. Imo hard to not see the improvements made to the team since 2014

The biggest lesson is that rebuilds are very hard and often don't come close to working smoothly - just ask Sabres or Sens fans at the moment

 

[Apex Predator]

That was a sad interview. He just couldn't give Tre any credit for the win, blathered on about Reaves and Klingberg. Mirtle has tarnished himself, and when he's teamed with Jonas, it's unbearable and unlistenable. Bunkis was hilarious later talking about Dubists, how he became some fans identity, and how weird it was.

So funny how mirtle said it must have been so tough for Dubas watching that game and Bunkis says “it was awesome!”

 

[Anthrax442]

Hunter screwed us with his 2 idiotic drafts

 

[Stephen]

I can’t see the purpose of a past management thread other than a thinly disguised excuse to continue to swoon over and obsess over Cliff Fletcher all day long.

 

[Mitch nylander]

Dubas had the best drafting and player development. He did best at finding budget players (Bunting, Hyman for Mckegg, etc). On the other hand he made the most costly mistakes of the three (Barrie trade, trading away countless firsts).

Lou had his ups and downs. He is a key for building the leafs core. Made some pretty good trades early on. Got really stale in the back half of his term as GM

Tre has not been great so far. Reaves signing, Klingberg signing and Bertuzzi signing all look pretty awful.

 

[Primary Assist]

Since we can talk about past management here, I'd like to shout out Punch Imlach. Was he abusive to his players? Yes. Was he an autocrat? Yes. Was he Harold Ballard's right hand man during the darkest days of this franchise? Yes.

But his name was Punch dammit, and he built teams that won the Cup. What else can you ask for?

Since that isn't a rhetorical question I'm asking myself I will answer.

He drafted Taro Tsujimoto away from the Tokyo Katanas. If that doesn't show he was years ahead of his time then nothing will.

 

[Rare Jewel]

There's still a fair bit to fix if they want to win a round, never mind two in the playoffs.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

"The Toronto Maple Leafs is a public trust with the greatest fans in the world."

The dream is dead Tannenbaum. It's turned into a nightmare. That just keeps getting worse and worse.

The Shanaplan has become the Scamaplan.

When it was introduced the Shanaplan was overrated. It overpromised. The results have been underwhelming.

And underdelivered.

You took Leafs fans for a ride on the Hype Train. The ride never lived up to the hype. The fans disappointment and anger is rapidly rising as a result.

They realize the end of the ride is getting closer.

But they still haven't got what they paid for. Seven years later and the greatest fan base in the world is still searching. What have we found?

The same old fears...

 

[Jojalu]

I can’t see the purpose of a past management thread other than a thinly disguised excuse to continue to swoon over and obsess over Cliff Fletcher all day long.

Draft Schmaft is the greatest line of all time.

Maybe it's "I can neither confirm, nor deny"

 

[Buds17]

Draft Schmaft is the greatest line of all time.

Maybe it's "I can neither confirm, nor deny"

The Fletcher (Part I) quote was unfortunately very of its time (the draft is definitely of greater importance now). That JFJ quote should always remain in style though since it is so wonderfully evasive!

 

[Mess]

I can’t see the purpose of a past management thread other than a thinly disguised excuse to continue to swoon over and obsess over Cliff Fletcher all day long.

I like how your avatar of Mats Sundin sends the appropriate swooning recognition to the Silver Fox Cliff Fletcher past accomplishments.

They say a picture is worth a 1000 words, so lets call that message sent and received. As GMs that bring in favourite players always have a special place in Leafs fans hearts historically,

I suppose all members using Dougie Gilmour as their logo's are sending the same message loud and clear.

 

[MK78]

Im not gonna dwell too much longer past than the 2016+ "core 4 era".

Dubas had a bad trade record, but had good success finding "depth players" for cheap because he had no other choice really, during the 4 flat cap years.

What was the worst is that he failed to secure a good goaltender before getting fired. While he didn't draft Joe Woll, he at least didn't trade him away so he may yet turn out to be something. With the others, it was a miserable failure aside from a few short bright spots.

 

[BayStBullies]

I feel like every thread becomes a post about our management.