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every board has a management thread but ours. would you like a thread to talk about our management?

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NinjaKick

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my two cents:

Lou: installed a strong structure and mentality from the start. added a fresh breath of air and professionalism that we were seriously lacking. Lou was never a long term answer. more of a mentor and stepping stone towards Dubas and our future. fired.

Dubas: inherited one of the top cores in the league. Had a team that was consistently in win now mode and dumped assets every year to make that push (I'm not saying that the philosophy to spend assets wasn't justified...it's just that he never did it successfully.) fired.


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Treliving: we feel different this year, but lets see if it translates to the playoffs...
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NinjaKick said:
my two cents:

Lou: responsible for our core and helped install a strong structure and mentality from the start. added a fresh breath of air and professionalism that we were seriously lacking. Lou was never a long term answer and he knew that. he was more of a mentor and stepping stone towards Dubas and our future. it was time to move on and he was let go.

Dubas: inherited one of the top cores in the league. Had a team that was consistently in win now mode and dumped assets every year to make that push. team never got over the hump. (I'm not saying that the philosophy to spend assets wasn't justified...it's just that he never did it successfully.) failed and fired.

Treliving: to be continued. I'll update this post after the trade deadline.


post your two cents about management but be nice so we can keep this talk going.
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Our core really has been a combined effort over a long period of time and several GMs

Rielly : Burke
Nylander : Nonis
Marner : Dubas/Hunter
Matthews : Lamoriello
Tavares: Dubas
 
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Tre traded a 2018 1st rounder(which turned out to be Noah dobson) and 2 2nd rounders for f***ing travis harmonic 😄

Anyways, I like what he's done so far.
 


I try not to listen to these guys very often, but this one caught my eye.

I have noticed that they're slowly moving away from Kyle and more into a reasonable let's give Brad a chance position.

As an aside, I actually found Bunkiss' description of those loyal to Kyle to be spot on and describes what has been mentioned here many times. That part starts at around 18 minutes in.
 
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I know everyone here seems to take a side and view everything through the lens of that side, so I may be unpopular here.

It's the Shanahan Era, and it is the best era of my 51 years of being a Lead fan. Yes we had a time in the 90's and one early this century but neither of those felt like sustainable eras. They were short windows.

Shanny brought us to a level of respectability and compete that haven't seen since the 1960s. He has had three GMs.

Lou. Set the course and mentored Dubas and Hunter until Shanny decided on Dubas. Lou oversaw the early stages of the rebuild. He handed out some bad contracts the his successor had to deal with, but he also gave him a foundation to work from.

Dubas. He continued the trajectory and was at the helm for the longest stretch of regular season success in the modern era. He kept the core together and the Covid flat cap kept him from adding to it in a way that could lead to playoff success. It was time for him to go when he left.

Treliving. He's different than Dubas and that in itself is a bonus. So far, he has been hit and miss. The mulligans he got on Klingberg and Reaves make the Bertuzzi, Domi, Gregor, Benoit, Lagesson and Jones moves look brilliant. How he handles the TDL and Nylander will be the first real test.

Shanny's GMs and when we win the cup it will have all of their fingerprints on it.
 
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you guys are all focusing on the wrong people

Shanahan has been here a decade with just a single playoff round win during all that time and somehow still has his job



THAT is what needs explaining
 
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Alright, folks, here's the deal: It's clear as daylight that Dubas has been running circles around the other two. As much as it pains this Avs fans to give props to a Leafs GM, gotta give credit where it’s due. Heck, he pretty much hustled Hawks by flipping Dennis for Gustafsson. That’s some 4D chess right there. Mighty Dubas has also managed to consistently get value back even in cap dump deals.

On the other hand, Treliving has been a bit of a mixed bag. Yes, the Tkachuk trade was a coup, but the Monahan trade? C'mon, Brad. How do you send Monny and a first-rounder to Montreal for future considerations? Like, what? That's a head-scratcher.

And Lamoriello….oh man. It’s like the man's playing draft pick bingo out there. Honestly, I'm surprised Isles fans aren't rioting in the streets. Giving up so much for Boyle in 2020 and then letting him walk in free agency? Bad. Just bad.

So there you have it, folks. All hail Dubas, the grand chessmaster. Of course, this is all in fun. No hate on Treliving or Lamoriello, they've had their shining moments too. But if we're comparing straight up? Dubas >> Treliving > Lou.

PS: No, this ain’t a troll post. Those are hard facts. Unless you've got some hidden stats I don't, in which case, bring ‘em on.
Remember, you can’t spell “Best GM” without the D.

Peace out, compadres.
 
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Alright, folks, here's the deal: It's clear as daylight that Dubas has been running circles around the other two. As much as it pains this Avs fans to give props to a Leafs GM, gotta give credit where it’s due. Heck, he pretty much hustled Hawks by flipping Dennis for Gustafsson. That’s some 4D chess right there. Mighty Dubas has also managed to consistently get value back even in cap dump deals.

On the other hand, Treliving has been a bit of a mixed bag. Yes, the Tkachuk trade was a coup, but the Monahan trade? C'mon, Brad. How do you send Monny and a first-rounder to Montreal for future considerations? Like, what? That's a head-scratcher.

And Lamoriello….oh man. It’s like the man's playing draft pick bingo out there. Honestly, I'm surprised Isles fans aren't rioting in the streets. Giving up so much for Boyle in 2020 and then letting him walk in free agency? Bad. Just bad.

So there you have it, folks. All hail Dubas, the grand chessmaster. Of course, this is all in fun. No hate on Treliving or Lamoriello, they've had their shining moments too. But if we're comparing straight up? Dubas >> Treliving > Lou.

PS: No, this ain’t a troll post. Those are hard facts. Unless you've got some hidden stats I don't, in which case, bring ‘em on.
Remember, you can’t spell “Best GM” without the D.

Peace out, compadres.
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If you reversed everything in this post it wouldn't be great, but definitely a lot better.

The Avs line really takes the cake. They got permission to speak to Dubie, heard his vision, closed conversations three days later, decided to go another way, and then won a cup, that realistically could have been ours. Several execs expressed anger that the talks happened in the first place.

I get it's a troll post, but it's impressive in a strange way.
 
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TheProspector said:
Alright, folks, here's the deal: It's clear as daylight that Dubas has been running circles around the other two. As much as it pains this Avs fans to give props to a Leafs GM, gotta give credit where it’s due. Heck, he pretty much hustled Hawks by flipping Dennis for Gustafsson. That’s some 4D chess right there. Mighty Dubas has also managed to consistently get value back even in cap dump deals.

On the other hand, Treliving has been a bit of a mixed bag. Yes, the Tkachuk trade was a coup, but the Monahan trade? C'mon, Brad. How do you send Monny and a first-rounder to Montreal for future considerations? Like, what? That's a head-scratcher.

And Lamoriello….oh man. It’s like the man's playing draft pick bingo out there. Honestly, I'm surprised Isles fans aren't rioting in the streets. Giving up so much for Boyle in 2020 and then letting him walk in free agency? Bad. Just bad.

So there you have it, folks. All hail Dubas, the grand chessmaster. Of course, this is all in fun. No hate on Treliving or Lamoriello, they've had their shining moments too. But if we're comparing straight up? Dubas >> Treliving > Lou.

PS: No, this ain’t a troll post. Those are hard facts. Unless you've got some hidden stats I don't, in which case, bring ‘em on.
Remember, you can’t spell “Best GM” without the D.

Peace out, compadres.
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I didn’t think you were until you said this. Lol.
 
CHI, LA, PIT, and TBL account for 10 of the last 15 Stanley Cups.

There's clearly a formula for building a winning roster. The Leafs just haven't figured it out yet. If stupidity was electricity the output from management of this team would rival a nuclear power plant.

Complete with their own version of Homer Simpson pulling the levers.

If Shanahan was the only unqualified executive that might not be a problem. There's more than one clown at this circus though. But it all starts at the top.

With the most incompetent POHO ever employed by this franchise.

Shanahan's entire legacy is one of failure and loss. The whole four forward experiment has proven a massive and costly boondoggle on the world's largest hockey stage. At this point it's safe to say Shanahan has no clue how to put together a Stanley Cup winning roster.

I honestly doubt he could assemble a desk from Ikea.
 
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I try not to listen to these guys very often, but this one caught my eye.

I have noticed that they're slowly moving away from Kyle and more into a reasonable let's give Brad a chance position.

As an aside, I actually found Bunkiss' description of those loyal to Kyle to be spot on and describes what has been mentioned here many times. That part starts at around 18 minutes in.
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Thanks for this. I usually find Bunkis to be fairly articulate and reasonable in his opinions, although I also feel like he's much more of an enthusiastic fan than an expert with much insider access. I rarely get the sense he's giving us a scoop on anything.

That said, his assessment of the strange phenomenon of Dubas fandom that you pointed out is pretty spot on as you said. As I've expressed before, I've found it quite bewildering that a few incredibly avid posters stapled themselves to him unconditionally -- and actually continue to, even after the debacle in the summer. It's not that Dubas doesn't have positive qualities -- I liked some of his moves although I felt he made a crucial mistake with the Marner contract. It's three things that make it weird to me: one, the lack of playoff success; two, the fact he was a rookie GM without much of a track record at the NHL level; three, that he's not an ex-player (he certainly never played the game to a high level). A GM like Steve Yzerman -- you could better understand a personality cult built up around him, perhaps.

I've seen a poster I respect calmly put this down to attention-seeking, and perhaps he's right. I think it might also be as a function of the newer brands of emotive discourse we see with social media and younger generations (yes, I'm an old man): say things loudly, repeatedly and never admit you might be wrong in your opinions or, indeed, that differing opinions might be valid. Anonymity cloaks you so you don't have to risk a face-to-face challenge.

As is suggested above by others, I will also hold fire on Treliving for now, although I do like him personally, I certainly don't see Treliving earning himself the kind of idolatry Dubas gets, although perhaps a Cup run might change that.
 
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Thanks for this. I usually find Bunkis to be fairly articulate and reasonable in his opinions, although I also feel like he's much more of an enthusiastic fan than an expert with much insider access. I rarely get the sense he's giving us a scoop on anything.

That said, his assessment of the strange phenomenon of Dubas fandom that you pointed out is pretty spot on as you said. As I've expressed before, I've found it quite bewildering that a few incredibly avid posters stapled themselves to him unconditionally -- and actually continue to, even after the debacle in the summer. It's not that Dubas doesn't have positive qualities -- I liked some of his moves although I felt he made a crucial mistake with the Marner contract. It's three things that make it weird to me: one, the lack of playoff success; two, the fact he was a rookie GM without much of a track record at the NHL level; three, that he's not an ex-player (he certainly never played the game to a high level). A GM like Steve Yzerman -- you could better understand a personality cult built up around him, perhaps.

I've seen a poster I respect calmly put this down to attention-seeking, and perhaps he's right. I think it might also be as a function of the newer brands of emotive discourse we see with social media and younger generations (yes, I'm an old man): say things loudly, repeatedly and never admit you might be wrong in your opinions or, indeed, that differing opinions might be valid. Anonymity cloaks you so you don't have to risk a face-to-face challenge.

As is suggested above by others, I will also hold fire on Treliving for now, although I do like him personally, I certainly don't see Treliving earning himself the kind of idolatry Dubas gets, although perhaps a Cup run might change that.
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My remembery may be off, but I think the posters who are still the biggest Dubas fans are also the ones who were loudest in proclaiming the Tavares signing as the greatest steal of the century, and still can't see, or at least admit, that it was a mistake. So many of his subsequent deals, like ROR, were lauded a being the last piece for a Cup.

I feel there's a lot of disappointment hiding in the posts still supporting his work here.
 
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I try not to listen to these guys very often, but this one caught my eye.

I have noticed that they're slowly moving away from Kyle and more into a reasonable let's give Brad a chance position.

As an aside, I actually found Bunkiss' description of those loyal to Kyle to be spot on and describes what has been mentioned here many times. That part starts at around 18 minutes in.
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Man, if people don't subscribe to the Athletic and don't know what apologists that Mirtle and Jonas Seigal are...listen to the reaction of Mirtle when Bunkis starts to talk about Dubas. Mirtle quite quickly points out that its an "AHL" roster at forward because of the injuries etc...blah blah. I doubt Mirtle would have extended the same excuse for Tre if the Leafs had a lot of injuries....And I am not even totally sold on Tre but at least I am willing to give him a chance unlike the Athletic staff.
 
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