Management Thread Blurst of Times

[F A N]

No I get your point, but you keep wanting to try and make Pods something he is not.

How am I making Pods something he is not? Allivin has talked about getting faster and harder to play against. That's Pods. He was 23, signed to a 2x$1M AAV contract, and he's big, fast, and hard to play against. He has also been used up the lineup because his size/physical play and speed allows him to get the puck to Draisaitl and his defensive abilities combined with Draisaitl's has resulted in Drai's line being a shutdown line capable of shutting down Eichel's line for example.

Look at Pods' stats in the playoffs the past two seasons. He hits and block shots at a high rate and he doesn't give away the puck.

Just because you disagree with how effective Pods has been doesn't mean you're right.

 

[lawrence]

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Anyone know if we have a team chef like this ?

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

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Anyone know if we have a team chef like this ?

Our owner probably brings in temporary foreign workers and serves them quality meals that resembles the stuff you get from Bon's Off Broadway.

 

[LordBacon]

Different Jim, same shit.

It all starts from Aqualini the incompetent dickhead.

This group definitely as bad as Benning but I know Blueberry boi will force them to do the most shortsighted thing just for them to possibly make the postseason.

 

[andora]

Our owner probably brings in temporary foreign workers and serves them quality meals that resembles the stuff you get from Bon's Off Broadway.

With kale sprinkled on top

 

[Bleach Clean]

Different Jim, same shit.

It all starts from Aqualini the incompetent dickhead.

This group definitely as bad as Benning but I know Blueberry boi will force them to do the most shortsighted thing just for them to possibly make the postseason.

It may start with Aquilini, but Rutherford/Allvin believed they could do it too. The short-term view is what they all want.

 

[racerjoe]

How am I making Pods something he is not? Allivin has talked about getting faster and harder to play against. That's Pods. He was 23, signed to a 2x$1M AAV contract, and he's big, fast, and hard to play against. He has also been used up the lineup because his size/physical play and speed allows him to get the puck to Draisaitl and his defensive abilities combined with Draisaitl's has resulted in Drai's line being a shutdown line capable of shutting down Eichel's line for example.

Look at Pods' stats in the playoffs the past two seasons. He hits and block shots at a high rate and he doesn't give away the puck.

Just because you disagree with how effective Pods has been doesn't mean you're right.

Why? Because he just isn’t that good, and if it wasn’t for a blip here in the playoffs he wouldn’t be being talked about. Can he play up the lineup? 24 pts when playing with McDavid and or Drai is actually horrendous. I could probably put up the same pts. Enough pucks would bounce off me to someone to put the puck in the net.

He is a mailable 4th line 13th fwd. We have a number of guys as good or better, getting an asset for that is better watching a team pick him up on waivers.

 

[Bgav]

It may start with Aquilini, but Rutherford/Allvin believed they could do it too. The short-term view is what they all want.

This is true, but it’s because he only hires ppl that tell him it’s a quick turnaround

 

[F A N]

Why? Because he just isn’t that good, and if it wasn’t for a blip here in the playoffs he wouldn’t be being talked about. Can he play up the lineup? 24 pts when playing with McDavid and or Drai is actually horrendous. I could probably put up the same pts. Enough pucks would bounce off me to someone to put the puck in the net.

So you think I was comparing Pius Suter to Podkolzin by my mere mention of his name. Does that mean you're comparing yourself to Podkolzin?

Oilers fans have been talking about Podkolzin long before the playoffs. You keep saying Pods has been playing with McDavid. Cleary you have no idea.

He is a mailable 4th line 13th fwd. We have a number of guys as good or better, getting an asset for that is better watching a team pick him up on waivers.

Who are these "number of guys" you keep talking about? Are they younger, faster, more physical, and cheaper?

 

[Vector]

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Follow Performance Chef Sean Murnane during Game 3 of the Hurricanes' matchup against the Capitals and see the level of preparation needed to fuel the team

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Anyone know if we have a team chef like this ?

Most teams have a chef. Robert Bartley is the Canucks' team chef.

 

[arttk]

So you think I was comparing Pius Suter to Podkolzin by my mere mention of his name. Does that mean you're comparing yourself to Podkolzin?

Oilers fans have been talking about Podkolzin long before the playoffs. You keep saying Pods has been playing with McDavid. Cleary you have no idea.


Who are these "number of guys" you keep talking about? Are they younger, faster, more physical, and cheaper?

I think the issue with Pod is that despite being young, fastish and physicalish, all of that doesn’t come together to accomplish anything really. Just look at the forward line up we started with, the odds of him hitting waivers were pretty high especially considering how he gets into his own head when he feels like he needs to earn a spot.
Oilers basically gifted him a spot and they were able to do it because their forward depth actually sucked somehow.

 

[LordBacon]

This is true, but it’s because he only hires ppl that tell him it’s a quick turnaround

If he pays me millions I’d say the same too,
Hell I’ll promise him I’ll make his dad love him again as well.

 

[F A N]

I think the issue with Pod is that despite being young, fastish and physicalish, all of that doesn’t come together to accomplish anything really.

Well Sherwood has been a revelation but what did you expect him to accomplish when we first signed him? To be clear I think Sherwood has been the better player over the past two seasons but it took Sherwood time to get there. But young, fastish, physicalish cost-controlled player with middle 6 skill who hits everything that moves and is defensively responsible enough to be played by a coach like Tocchet is usually a player team keeps or at least not traded for a 4th round pick.

Just look at the forward line up we started with, the odds of him hitting waivers were pretty high especially considering how he gets into his own head when he feels like he needs to earn a spot.
Oilers basically gifted him a spot and they were able to do it because their forward depth actually sucked somehow.

Well 2 players from the opening night roster ended up being waived, one player was sent to the minors, and one player was successfully dumped and that didn't include PDG.

Similar arguments were made about Grabner who was waived by Florida after we traded him. There clearly was a useful player that should have been valued as such. Different situation of course but still the Canucks had the wrong read on Grabner thinking he was top 6 or bust.

 

[racerjoe]

So you think I was comparing Pius Suter to Podkolzin by my mere mention of his name. Does that mean you're comparing yourself to Podkolzin?

Oilers fans have been talking about Podkolzin long before the playoffs. You keep saying Pods has been playing with McDavid. Cleary you have no idea.


Who are these "number of guys" you keep talking about? Are they younger, faster, more physical, and cheaper?

Oh I notice you left out Drai... wonder why...

Like any of our AHL Tweeners that were called up this year... If they played with Drai do you think they would have put up the same numbers?

I wasn't comparing myself to anyone... just noting and trying to demonstrate a point... I know shocker...

 

[arttk]

Well Sherwood has been a revelation but what did you expect him to accomplish when we first signed him? To be clear I think Sherwood has been the better player over the past two seasons but it took Sherwood time to get there. But young, fastish, physicalish cost-controlled player with middle 6 skill who hits everything that moves and is defensively responsible enough to be played by a coach like Tocchet is usually a player team keeps or at least not traded for a 4th round pick.


Well 2 players from the opening night roster ended up being waived, one player was sent to the minors, and one player was successfully dumped and that didn't include PDG.

Similar arguments were made about Grabner who was waived by Florida after we traded him. There clearly was a useful player that should have been valued as such. Different situation of course but still the Canucks had the wrong read on Grabner thinking he was top 6 or bust.

What did we expect from Sherwood? Nothing much aside from hits and playing responsibly. i think most of us assumed he would just be a a really good 4th line guy that can play to a very specific role.

Yes and if we had Pod, then we would need to send another player to waivers. If you look at the opening lineup, who the hell is Pod going to beat? That’s the issue right? Management and coaching don’t have enough confidence that Pod can actually overcome his confidence issues.
The only way to keep Pod is to gift him a lineup spot and i don’t think you would ever want to do that. We are going to waive a more deserving player because this guy has confidence issues and needs his spot guaranteed?

 

[4th line culture]

What did we expect from Sherwood? Nothing much aside from hits and playing responsibly. i think most of us assumed he would just be a a really good 4th line guy that can play to a very specific role.

Yes and if we had Pod, then we would need to send another player to waivers. If you look at the opening lineup, who the hell is Pod going to beat? That’s the issue right? Management and coaching don’t have enough confidence that Pod can actually overcome his confidence issues.
The only way to keep Pod is to gift him a lineup spot and i don’t think you would ever want to do that. We are going to waive a more deserving player because this guy has confidence issues and needs his spot guaranteed?

Dont sign heinen or sprong? Or did we absolutely have to have those players?

 

[I am toxic]

Our owner probably brings in temporary foreign workers and serves them quality meals that resembles the stuff you get from Bon's Off Broadway.

Don't - do not - dis Bon's

ever

you have been warned

 

[arttk]

Dont sign heinen or sprong? Or did we absolutely have to have those players?

I think you are forgetting how much optimism there was with the in the offseason coming off the playoff run and one of the priorities was to improve forward depth. Heinen and Sprong not working out in the end doesn’t mean at that time those were bad bets.
Also you are basically saying we should not try to improve forward depth so we can gift a spot to Pod which makes no sense. The only really Oilers can do shit like that is because they are a badly managed team propped up by 2 generational player and that papers over all the stuff that is typically considered as bad process.

 

[4th line culture]

I think you are forgetting how much optimism there was with the in the offseason coming off the playoff run and one of the priorities was to improve forward depth. Heinen and Sprong not working out in the end doesn’t mean at that time those were bad bets.
Also you are basically saying we should not try to improve forward depth so we can gift a spot to Pod which makes no sense. The only really Oilers can do shit like that is because they are a badly managed team propped up by 2 generational player and that papers over all the stuff that is typically considered as bad process.

The bets didnt work out, one only lasted 9 games. Pod played the whole season on a better team that will be going to its 2nd straight cup finals.

You could say the canucks are badly managed team propped up by a generational defenseman. Correct me if I'm wrong but the oilers are generating positive results with mcdrai off the ice?

 

[arttk]

The bets didnt work out, one only lasted 9 games. Pod played the whole season on a better team that will be going to its 2nd straight cup finals.

You could say the canucks are badly managed team propped up by a generational defenseman. Correct me if I'm wrong but the oilers are generating positive results with mcdrai off the ice?

Yeah the bets didn’t work out in the end but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have made those bets. The issue is more around, we need pro scouting to be better.

yeah they gifted Pod a roster spot because Draisatl and that is poor process and it only works because it’s f***ing Draisaitl. Even then in the 2nd half they moved Pod away and had him play with RNH and his production dropped to like a 15pt pace. The oilers are not killing it because Pod is killing it,

I don’t know why you are going off topic, the point is Pod only put up 24 pts despite playing half a season with 2 generational talents lol. You can’t even say he was being propped up because like propped up would imply he produced only because of those guys. You can’t even call his 24 points “production” because how the f*** do you only put up that little beside 2 100+ point player? Like if he only put up 24pts having a guarantee spot beside 2 of the best players in the game, how does any of you think he can put up similar points playing 3rd or 4th line minutes besides Bluegar / Suter?

 

[I am toxic]

The bets didnt work out, one only lasted 9 games. Pod played the whole season on a better team that will be going to its 2nd straight cup finals.

You could say the canucks are badly managed team propped up by a generational defenseman. Correct me if I'm wrong but the oilers are generating positive results with mcdrai off the ice?

iirc they put up a diagram between one of the intermission showing all the oiler forwards were in on the points this playoffs so far, and how everyone of them was out on the ice at some point during overtime when they defeated the Golden Child's in game 5 at 7:14 of overtime

and yeah, Podz helped set up up that goal with a beautiful cross ice pass then drove to the net drawing one of the dfenders, the only goal in the series clinching game

huh

 

[4th line culture]

Yeah the bets didn’t work out in the end but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have made those bets. The issue is more around, we need pro scouting to be better.

yeah they gifted Pod a roster spot because Draisatl and that is poor process and it only works because it’s f***ing Draisaitl. Even then in the 2nd half they moved Pod away and had him play with RNH and his production dropped to like a 15pt pace. The oilers are not killing it because Pod is killing it,

I don’t know why you are going off topic

You brought up mcdrai and management sir.

, the point is Pod only put up 24 pts despite playing half a season with 2 generational talents lol. You can’t even say he was being propped up because like propped up would imply he produced only because of those guys. You can’t even call his 24 points “production” because how the f*** do you only put up that little beside 2 100+ point player? Like if he only put up 24pts having a guarantee spot beside 2 of the best players in the game, how does any of you think he can put up similar points playing 3rd or 4th line minutes besides Bluegar / Suter?

Similar to the production of players that played on the team this season? Yes.

 

[VanJack]

JR and Allvin are besotted with big blueliners. They're both on record as saying how much they admire the Vegas blueline, and how tough they are to play against.

That's why I think there might be a place for Mancini on the parent team's blueline next season. I mean, if they were prepared to go with Desharnais, Juulsen and Forbort at the start of last season, surely Mancini is somebody you'd rather grow with.

He just turned 23 today, and is probably celebrating in Colorado tonight with this team-mates. But I do suspect some posters might be right, and Mancini wasn't their first choice in the Miller trade with the Rangers. They were reportedly more interested in Schneider and Borgen.

But from the reaction of Ranger fans, they were kind of bummed out to lose Mancini.

 

[credulous]

He just turned 23 today, and is probably celebrating in Colorado tonight with this team-mates. But I do suspect some posters might be right, and Mancini wasn't their first choice in the Miller trade with the Rangers. They were reportedly more interested in Schneider and Borgen.

But from the reaction of Ranger fans, they were kind of bummed out to lose Mancini.

they wanted drew fortescue who is a totally vanilla prospect who'll probably top out as an ahl guy or depth nhl guy

i haven't watched mancini closely but his on ice results in the nhl were atrocious both in new york and vancouver. he's got all the physical tools but he has a long way to go to be a legitimate nhl defender

 

[Bleach Clean]

Why? Because he just isn’t that good, and if it wasn’t for a blip here in the playoffs he wouldn’t be being talked about. Can he play up the lineup? 24 pts when playing with McDavid and or Drai is actually horrendous. I could probably put up the same pts. Enough pucks would bounce off me to someone to put the puck in the net.

He is a mailable 4th line 13th fwd. We have a number of guys as good or better, getting an asset for that is better watching a team pick him up on waivers.

Just curious: With the roster they started the season with, can you list the players who were considered as good or better that Podkolzin? (Both in an absolute sense and in terms of value)

Caveat: They had to pay to jettison Heinen and gave Sprong away after 10~ games.