Management Thread Blurst of Times

[PuckMunchkin]

Then you're not really a "Vancouver Canucks" fan.

Ok.

I'll get me coat.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Man, it'll be sick watching that team in 2030.

How fast do we move to Atlanta in this scenario? My boy got flayed and deserves it to be honest. Holy

 

[HairyKneel]

Watch the documentary. Had that.

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Why are you showng me a picture of a white flabby leg?

 

[rypper]

Why are you showng me a picture of a white flabby leg?

He's considering starting an OF and wants our opinions.

 

[HairyKneel]

He's considering starting an OF and wants our opinions.

Is that the guardian's pasty drumstick? I've seen better legs sticking out of a nest.

 

[theguardianII]

What a misleading story of that "mysterious" never heard of popliteus muscle injury thing has been.

This has been very well known since McDavids knee injury Waaaay back in April 2019 and his rehab.
Watch the Whatever It Takes, documentary released December 2019, it shows the injury and how they imaged it, very simple. Diagnosed in the first 24 hours.

McDavid had his popliteus muscle detached and no surgery.

from Sportsnet;

McDavid was initially diagnosed with a Grade 2 PCL strain because of all the swelling around his knee. A second medical opinion in Colorado revealed the full PCL tear, plus a torn meniscus on both sides of the knee, cracked fibia and a popliteus muscle that was torn right off the bone.

Pettersson's knee tendinitis?
popliteus tendinitis?

Nobody, media around here never heard of it? Never watched that miracle return documentary from such a bad injury?
Tocchet says;
Demko Popliteus and Pettersson tendinitis

Both are not mysterious or difficult to image/see/diagnose.

It is just hard to believe not one media sports show could not see this documentary and not make a comparison or reference. On Amazon they show all the injuries and show the names of each injury, Popliteus if shown in "living color", an old phrase referring first color TV's, NBC to clarity or images.

Here comes the internet doctor.

Watch the documentary. Had that.

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Why are you showng me a picture of a white flabby leg?

You questioned whether I knew about knee operations, that one was a total reconstruction, popliteus as well the other side was merely Medial and meniscus.

I didn't need the internet to know this.

Like the zipper?

 

[TruGr1t]

This management group has done some good things (mainly related to pro-scouting), but they have a nasty habit of burning bridges and losing control when things don't go to plan. I don't see a lot of evidence they are capable of agile decisions or pivoting on the fly ... it seems their game is more to blow a spaz in the press when they don't get their way.

So yeah, they've done some good things when everything goes right, but they've also fallen flat on their faces or appeared somewhat paralyzed when things take a sharp turn, or they've faced difficult decisions.

The interactions with the press are also largely God-awful.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

This management group has done some good things (mainly related to pro-scouting), but they have a nasty habit of burning bridges and losing control when things don't go to plan. I don't see a lot of evidence they are capable of agile decisions or pivoting on the fly ... it seems their game is more to blow a spaz in the press when they don't get their way.

So yeah, they've done some good things when everything goes right, but they've also fallen flat on their faces or appeared somewhat paralyzed when things take a sharp turn, or they've faced difficult decisions.

The interactions with the press are also largely God-awful.

Really feels like we are reliving the 2005-2008 Nonis years.

The foundational pieces are there (franchise player, 1C, decent defense)
The pro-scouting has been very hit or miss.
They have patched up one hole but created others.
They have refused to be active sellers at various points.
One freak good year where everything went right (2006-2007, 2023-2024) followed by an abysmal shitty season where everything sucked.

 

[me2]

Really feels like we are reliving the 2005-2008 Nonis years.

The foundational pieces are there (franchise player, 1C, decent defense)
The pro-scouting has been very hit or miss.
They have patched up one hole but created others.
They have refused to be active sellers at various points.
One freak good year where everything went right (2006-2007, 2023-2024) followed by an abysmal shitty season where everything sucked.

The team needs to hit on 2 late round gems or pull a trade for a couple of players that bloom well beyond expectations. The management team needs to find that bit of magic from nowhere to push the team out of its mushy middle.

 

[Quinton Byfield]

The team needs to hit on 2 late round gems or pull a trade for a couple of players that bloom well beyond expectations. The management team needs to find that bit of magic from nowhere to push the team out of its mushy middle.

Team needs a top 6 player to replace Brock, a line driving forward (players above the Debrusk/Garlands of the world, but below a superstar), and then a 2c.

There is no gem or late round pick in the system that’s capable of that beyond Lekki, who’s more of a complimentary shooter on a line and has flaws to his game.

There’s no draw to the team from free agents like there was last year, when we were seen as a team on the rise. No Miller, dramatic fall off from Pete, injury prone Demko, unprofessional management group. All that noise from management has not gone unnoticed from prospective free agents.

On top of that, a new coach may have to be found. We don’t have elite goaltending w/o Demko. And I don’t think we can safely assume Pete regains his form either.

Doesn’t seem possible within 2 years.

 

[andora]

This management group has done some good things (mainly related to pro-scouting), but they have a nasty habit of burning bridges and losing control when things don't go to plan. I don't see a lot of evidence they are capable of agile decisions or pivoting on the fly ... it seems their game is more to blow a spaz in the press when they don't get their way.

So yeah, they've done some good things when everything goes right, but they've also fallen flat on their faces or appeared somewhat paralyzed when things take a sharp turn, or they've faced difficult decisions.

The interactions with the press are also largely God-awful.

So what's the line between being paralyzed and not making stupid rash nearsighted reaction decisions

 

[Coffee]

So what's the line between being paralyzed and not making stupid rash nearsighted reaction decisions

A decent line should do the trick

 

[TruGr1t]

So what's the line between being paralyzed and not making stupid rash nearsighted reaction decisions

Making the playoffs.

 

[andora]

Making the playoffs.

so if we made the playoffs - we weren't paralyzed but instead didn't make any rash decisions
we miss the playoffs - we were paralyzed and should have made a different decision?

 

[TruGr1t]

so if we made the playoffs - we weren't paralyzed but instead didn't make any rash decisions
we miss the playoffs - we were paralyzed and should have made a different decision?

Yes, If your stated goal is playoffs, and you operate as such ... yes.

 

[andora]

Yes, If your stated goal is playoffs, and you operate as such ... yes.

Ehhh.. I guess I see a whole lot of middle in between that but okay

 

[mriswith]

Mgmt threw away this season going into it with the defense they did. And narrowly avoided a total catastrophe in net on top of it, the season would have been over in November again if Silovs had the reigns. Created a lot of the drama and media circus by fanning the flames publicly and made the conflict on the team escalate with idiotic decisions like telling JT to get on EP's ass. Really poor management in several areas.

Sure they didn't predict the forwards being terrible this year but the lucky signing in net at the last minute counterbalances that bad luck, and this team makes the playoffs with an earlier MP trade even with everything else that went wrong. It was incredibly obvious that the d was the problem with the team and nothing else was even close, not even pacing ~60 points EP.

I am comfortable with their ability to assess forward talent so their skills are well suited to our current problems; however, I'm very pessimistic about market conditions, particularly the upcoming scarcity of forward talent available as the cap skyrockets.

The farm is a massive success story this year and reason to be optimistic about the farm moving forward. Also makes it all the more painful that we didn't collect assets a few years ago when we could have easily done so without significantly effecting the trajectory of the team.

 

[F A N]

The farm is a massive success story this year and reason to be optimistic about the farm moving forward. Also makes it all the more painful that we didn't collect assets a few years ago when we could have easily done so without significantly effecting the trajectory of the team.

Agree with your post. Just on this point though, I'm not sure what assets could be realistically collected a few years ago. Essentially after not getting assets back for Hamhuis, Tanev, Markstrom, and (to a lesser extent) Edler (who probably wouldn't waive his no trade), there weren't a lot of options. To be fair we were trying to re-sign all these players except for Hamhuis. Similarly, I mean we could have traded Pearson instead of re-signing him. Schmidt returned a 3rd but we swapped that for Dermott. Hamonic returned a 3rd. We had a chance to move Myers but we kept him and then re-signed him. It's slim pickings from there.

The other aspect when talking about the farm is that ultimately what we should care about is how many prospects become NHL players. Take the pre-covid/covid year Comets. That was a good team and there were a few players that went on to play NHL games but none of them ended up being long-term contributors for the Canucks.

 

[mriswith]

Agree with your post. Just on this point though, I'm not sure what assets could be realistically collected a few years ago. Essentially after not getting assets back for Hamhuis, Tanev, Markstrom, and (to a lesser extent) Edler (who probably wouldn't waive his no trade), there weren't a lot of options. To be fair we were trying to re-sign all these players except for Hamhuis. Similarly, I mean we could have traded Pearson instead of re-signing him. Schmidt returned a 3rd but we swapped that for Dermott. Hamonic returned a 3rd. We had a chance to move Myers but we kept him and then re-signed him. It's slim pickings from there.

The other aspect when talking about the farm is that ultimately what we should care about is how many prospects become NHL players. Take the pre-covid/covid year Comets. That was a good team and there were a few players that went on to play NHL games but none of them ended up being long-term contributors for the Canucks.

Benning years are a write off, I don't lump that on current staff.

Pens offered 2 1sts for Miller, Yager and Helenius went where they eventually picked. That alone would be franchise changing and we could still have landed MP this year with our 1st.

Kuz prob could been a 1st closer to the deadline his first year. There was probably a way to convert Boeser into a 1st at some point since mgmt took over. Should have traded Horvat a year earlier for a bigger return. I'm probably missing some.

 

[Hodgy]

Benning years are a write off, I don't lump that on current staff.

Pens offered 2 1sts for Miller, Yager and Helenius went where they eventually picked. That alone would be franchise changing and we could still have landed MP this year with our 1st.

Miller had a 100 point season after not trading him, and the Canucks almost went to the conference finals, and probably would have if not for goaltending.

Kuz prob could been a 1st closer to the deadline his first year.

I agree they should have moved on with Kuzmenko.

There was probably a way to convert Boeser into a 1st at some point since mgmt took over.

Probably only this summer, but that just wasn’t realistically going to happen. Otherwise he wasn’t worth much with his production / cap hit.

Should have traded Horvat a year earlier for a bigger return. I'm probably missing some.

Horvat was traded at his highest value in a season where he was on a 50 goal scoring pace.

 

[arttk]

Benning years are a write off, I don't lump that on current staff.

Pens offered 2 1sts for Miller, Yager and Helenius went where they eventually picked. That alone would be franchise changing and we could still have landed MP this year with our 1st.

Kuz prob could been a 1st closer to the deadline his first year. There was probably a way to convert Boeser into a 1st at some point since mgmt took over. Should have traded Horvat a year earlier for a bigger return. I'm probably missing some.

Brock underperformed basically for the majority of his contract. The only time he exceeded it was last season when he put up 40 goals but blood clots = no bloody way he was getting traded.

 

[F A N]

Brock underperformed basically for the majority of his contract. The only time he exceeded it was last season when he put up 40 goals

To be fair, Year 1 his father passed away in May. He was off to a good start this year before he was concussed.

but blood clots = no bloody way he was getting traded.

Are you saying we couldn’t trade him? I don’t understand why his blood clots would be an impediment to trading him last offseason.

 

[arttk]

To be fair, Year 1 his father passed away in May. He was off to a good start this year before he was concussed.

Are you saying we couldn’t trade him? I don’t understand why his blood clots would be an impediment to trading him last offseason.

I am bringing this up in the context of trading him at any point during his contract.
Doesn’t matter why he sucked or how excusable it was, he was bad in year 1 and I think it was pretty public about how nobody wanted him.
He was great in year 2 and ended with blood clots so yeah nobody is going to trade for him until he shows he’s healthy.
Then year 3 (this year) he got concussed and basically sucked for like 20 games prior to TDL.

 

[I am toxic]

Ehhh.. I guess I see a whole lot of middle in between that but okay

 

[andora]

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You kiddin? Its dripping down the walls in here lol