Management Thread Blurst of Times

Honestly…just rebuild. Full rebuild. Last year was a fluke, current performance is expected and in fact even slightly over performing.

We should be treating the team like it was the year before last year. That is the true skill level of this team. Terrible terrible moves/signings last year to gamble in the playoffs and act like we are a playoff contending team. Need to blow it all up now.
 
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Should of kept the first we got from the Miller trade, get another first for boeser, whatever you can for Demko maybe someone would gamble a 2nd rounder for him. Make Petey and Hughes suck it up for 3 years while Lekkerimaki, our defense prospects and our 3 firsts from this year develop and go from there.
 
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Should of kept the first we got from the Miller trade, get another first for boeser, whatever you can for Demko maybe someone would gamble a 2nd rounder for him. Make Petey and Hughes suck it up for 3 years while Lekkerimaki, our defense prospects and our 3 firsts from this year develop and go from there.

Maybe you can FORCE Petey to suck it up... but Hughes laughs and walks to FA in 2 years and leaves...
 
First thing they have to do this summer is fire Tocchet and hire an offensive coach. To get the best out of Hughes and Pettersson, stop hiring dinosaur coaches.

If they can dump Garland and Myers to free up some cap space, do that as well.

Make a real run at Rantanen and/or Ehlers. This team desperately needs some firepower and skill in the top-six. The defense has enough; the offense does not.

Boeser has to get dealt before the deadline. They're going nowhere this season and he's not worth his contract demands. Last season was an outlier.
With the current roster, I don't think a run and gun style is going to work well. We are now built with strength on the blueline and very little speed/creativity up front. Trying to play an offensive style will likely result in us getting lit up with very little additional scoring.

Unfortunately playing a tight defensive game is better suited for this lineup, as boring as the game is to watch.
 
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With the current roster, I don't think a run and gun style is going to work well. We are now built with strength on the blueline and very little speed/creativity up front. Trying to play an offensive style will likely result in us getting lit up with very little additional scoring.

Unfortunately playing a tight defensive game is better suited for this lineup, as boring as the game is to watch.
We are like Lemaire’s Wild. It’s nice to have a Gaborik type, but otherwise it’s a sea of Wallz, Dupuis, Brunette, Park, etc.
 
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Should of kept the first we got from the Miller trade, get another first for boeser, whatever you can for Demko maybe someone would gamble a 2nd rounder for him. Make Petey and Hughes suck it up for 3 years while Lekkerimaki, our defense prospects and our 3 firsts from this year develop and go from there.
The time to do this was ~2 years ago when we moved Horvat.

Now the timing is all off. The prospects drafted this summer wont help soon enough.
 
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First thing they have to do this summer is fire Tocchet and hire an offensive coach. To get the best out of Hughes and Pettersson, stop hiring dinosaur coaches.

If they can dump Garland and Myers to free up some cap space, do that as well.

Make a real run at Rantanen and/or Ehlers. This team desperately needs some firepower and skill in the top-six. The defense has enough; the offense does not.

Boeser has to get dealt before the deadline. They're going nowhere this season and he's not worth his contract demands. Last season was an outlier.
Huh?

Did we just forget Hughes won the Norris last year under Tocchet? :laugh:

We just saying anything these days...
 
First thing they have to do this summer is fire Tocchet and hire an offensive coach. To get the best out of Hughes and Pettersson, stop hiring dinosaur coaches.

If they can dump Boeser and Soucy to free up some cap space, do that as well.

Make a real run at Marner and Bennett. This team desperately needs some firepower and skill in the top-six. The defense has enough; the offense does not.

Boeser has to get dealt before the deadline. They're going nowhere this season and he's not worth his contract demands. Last season was an outlier.
Made a few tweaks.
 
Management sold low on Miller and after Pettersson's complete no show at the Four Nations, his stock couldn't be any lower.

They're going to have to unload him before the NTC kicks in, and the return is not going to be great.

They really botched this entire thing.

What Gillis did with Luongo and Schneider looks like a Hall of Fame level masterclass compared to Rutherford and Allvin.
Huge disagree. 80-90% of the blame goes to the players IMO.

Horvat was coming off a career year in his contract year and wasn't willing to sign at a discount... he wanted 8 years at 8.5M per even though his career high was 61 points. Canucks didn't want to sign a 60 point offensive center to that type of extension into his mid-late 30s. In his Islanders career, he's continued his career trajectory has a 60 point guy. He has 41 points in 56 games this year, exactly a 60 point pace. The management team already signed a comparable contract in Miller who is the far superior player. They managed to trade Horvat and flip the assets for Hronek, who's been great for us. I know you didn't mention Horvat by name but it helps to add context. This is probably an A in terms of grading.

You indicate that Management sold low on Miller... but isn't that just using the power of hindsight? At what time were we realistically able to sell "high" on Miller? During Miller's down year in 2022-2023, he was shopped before this NMC kicked in but teams were scared of the extension and the offers weren't good (weren't much better than today if at all). The year after, Miller returns to form and carries us to Game 7 of the Semi-Finals and was our best player in the playoffs. We could have gotten a better return but why would we trade our best player as a top 5 team in the league? Fastforward to this year... Miller has been awful and some sort of altercation or event occurred that directly lead to his month-long leave of absence. Again... how could management anticipate something like this happening at all? This lead to them having no choice but to get rid of a locker room cancer/distraction. He had a NMC and was having a down year... the fact we got MP, Chytil, Mancini and ridded ourselves of Deharnaias and Heinen is actually very good given the circumstances. This is probably a B in terms of grading.

Petey's terrible play is also management related? I don't understand what you want this management team to do with his on-ice play. They traded his "bully" and gave him keys to the franchise and he's looked even worse.

Saying the management team botched the entire thing is such a dumbed down answer. The environment is extremely dynamic and everchanging in sports... you can only operate and make decisions based on what you know at the time. No executive in a suit could have predicted or prevented JTM destroying the locker room and Pettersson's fall off a cliff happening simultaneously.

The current state is what is and the management has extremely difficult choices to make from here.
 
Don't downplay the role of Gaborik though when the goal is to win 1 goal games.
For sure, he was an important weapon for them. But he also scored goals based on incredible speed and skill that succeeded in small bursts outside of Lemaire’s system. Not sure that we have anything similar currently.
 
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Huge disagree. 80-90% of the blame goes to the players IMO.

Horvat was coming off a career year in his contract year and wasn't willing to sign at a discount... he wanted 8 years at 8.5M per even though his career high was 61 points. Canucks didn't want to sign a 60 point offensive center to that type of extension into his mid-late 30s. In his Islanders career, he's continued his career trajectory has a 60 point guy. He has 41 points in 56 games this year, exactly a 60 point pace. The management team already signed a comparable contract in Miller who is the far superior player. They managed to trade Horvat and flip the assets for Hronek, who's been great for us. I know you didn't mention Horvat by name but it helps to add context. This is probably an A in terms of grading.

You indicate that Management sold low on Miller... but isn't that just using the power of hindsight? At what time were we realistically able to sell "high" on Miller? During Miller's down year in 2022-2023, he was shopped before this NMC kicked in but teams were scared of the extension and the offers weren't good (weren't much better than today if at all). The year after, Miller returns to form and carries us to Game 7 of the Semi-Finals and was our best player in the playoffs. We could have gotten a better return but why would we trade our best player as a top 5 team in the league? Fastforward to this year... Miller has been awful and some sort of altercation or event occurred that directly lead to his month-long leave of absence. Again... how could management anticipate something like this happening at all? This lead to them having no choice but to get rid of a locker room cancer/distraction. He had a NMC and was having a down year... the fact we got MP, Chytil, Mancini and ridded ourselves of Deharnaias and Heinen is actually very good given the circumstances. This is probably a B in terms of grading.

Petey's terrible play is also management related? I don't understand what you want this management team to do with his on-ice play. They traded his "bully" and gave him keys to the franchise and he's looked even worse.

Saying the management team botched the entire thing is such a dumbed down answer. The environment is extremely dynamic and everchanging in sports... you can only operate and make decisions based on what you know at the time. No executive in a suit could have predicted or prevented JTM destroying the locker room and Pettersson's fall off a cliff happening simultaneously.

The current state is what is and the management has extremely difficult choices to make from here.
I agree with most of what you said. I think there are a couple things that management could've done better to mitigate the issue (although ultimately who knows if it makes a difference in the end):

1) they had to know JTM was somewhat of an issue in the locker room, with Petey being the prime victim. Brad Richardson had already told management they need more vet to keep Miller in his place. They had Schenn and Pearson holding things together, and I'm not saying we need to keep those 2 players specifically, but they should've brought in a couple more respected vets to hold the room together.

2) they could've dealt with the Petey's injury situation a lot better. First and foremost listen to him and let him rest up when it first came up. I get that the team was fighting for the division and needs all hands on deck, but you can clearly see him struggling out there by March, we were locked in for a playoff spot, they should've rest him. They also should've provided him with clear training schedule and instruction for the summer, instead of letting him doing whatever he wants. And for god's sake don't tell JTM to motivate him, that was the dumbest decision ever, knowing their history! And don't call him out publicly, no matter how frustrated you are with him privately, its counter-productive knowing Petey's personality.

While some of the issues are out of management's control, I felt that they didn't handle it very well either. The transactions are fine in isolation, but Allvin/JR deserves some blame in all of this as well.
 
Wierd set of circumstances for the management to deal with. Quite anomalous with the regression of 40, Demko injuries and locker room disputes.

They must be so irritated at the HR complications making their jobs more difficult.

I bet management is burning out. Hopefully not. I like them.
 


Bure is spitting facts.

The issue is not Pettersson's fit.

No superstar calibre player is a bad fit on any team, at least on the ice.

The issue isn't the system or what's around Petey, it's simply that Petey is playing like shit.

If Petey stops playing like shit, he'll magically look like an incredible fit just as he did prior to playing like shit.

(Perhaps not doing a better job of fixing the Petey/Miller situation is on management, but that's a separate issue)
 
I bet they give zero f***s about the media
They own the media, at least the local media either directly, through their partner of by limiting access. There is an angle on just about every show.
Notice that Allvin is never criticized? It all Pettersson's fault! Or Miller's or sun shadows anything but Allvin.

This is just like when the local media kept supporting Benning right up to the end. Not Benning's fault.

I really hope Rutherford takes the reigns for even a few months because IMO he will do what is needed because he doesn't have to worry about getting another job. Allvin is certainly ruining Rutherford's legacy.

Well it seems there is some action taking place.
Looks like Minnesota bailed on the Boeser idea, he was never getting a #1 pick back. Not with his past trade requests out of Vancouver.
 
Well it seems there is some action taking place.
Looks like Minnesota bailed on the Boeser idea, he was never getting a #1 pick back. Not with his past trade requests out of Vancouver.
You think Boeser having asked for a trade out of Vancouver in the past has diminished his trade value and or caused teams to not trade for him?
 
I gotta believe they've targeted M. Pettersson for a while. I think the idea of undervaluing Z and icing a dogshit D with replacement guys like Desharnais for too long put a lot of strain on our team. Which other vet would confidently tell JT to STFU in the locker room?
 
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I gotta believe they've targeted M. Pettersson for a while. I think the idea of undervaluing Z and icing a dogshit D with replacement guys like Desharnais for too long put a lot of strain on our team. Which other vet would confidently tell JT to STFU in the locker room?

IMO management is definitely #2 on this list when it comes to the blame game for things going wrong this season and #3 is far, far away, whoever that is (#1 being Pettersson).

Forbort / Desharnais / Juulsen as the 6/7/8 D-men was a colossal miscalculation.

It's bad in a vacuum but if anything went wrong in the top-4 the issues would be exacerbated, and two things went wrong in the top-4 (Soucy's fall-off and Hronek injury).
 
Even if ownership/management keeps refusing to rebuild, sooner or later the rebuild finds you. If teams could simply keep trading futures for success, or "trade their way" out of a downward slide, they would all do it.
not if we stay perpetually mediocre.
 
Wierd set of circumstances for the management to deal with. Quite anomalous with the regression of 40, Demko injuries and locker room disputes.

They must be so irritated at the HR complications making their jobs more difficult.

I bet management is burning out. Hopefully not. I like them.
Fact is they chose an extremely difficult path to contention that could not withstand any injuries to key players.

I dont think they should be off the hook for where we stand. This is their team and they get the praise for last seasons cinderella story and should get the blame for our contention window being 1 year long.
 
Fact is they chose an extremely difficult path to contention that could not withstand any injuries to key players.

I dont think they should be off the hook for where we stand. This is their team and they get the praise for last seasons cinderella story and should get the blame for our contention window being 1 year long.
the management criticism stuff is interesting to me because i'm not sure which angle the criticism is coming from. if the gripe is the initial path they took when they could have pivoted.. that's fair. they picked the near impossible path, but then somehow made that work last year and were a top four D + top six forward away (coming into this season) away from them making that work.

but then you have elias turn into an AHL level player and Miller wants out. and demko's body breaks down to an insane level. all within a year. Soucy falls off a cliff, which isn't insignificant for this team given he was the clear cut #3 last year. i just don't know how anyone can blame all the garbage of that on management.

and yeah, they should have had a better summer. but then i feel like so many of the people who complained about that thought giving lindholm and zadorov awful contracts was the solution, so then i don't really get that lens either. and we're lucky they turned down those contracts from us.

now we're sitting here two top six forwards away + needing ep to turn into a superstar. it's just so weird.

my big picture gripe is that they didn't pivot when they could have two years ago. my recent gripe is that they went into this season a D too light.

obviously it's a results business. and you have to give them the remainder of 2025 to see where things are heading, what they do with pettersson, more clarity on hughes, how they weaponize demko's cap space (if they go that route) and what happens with boeser... just very curious. and very apathetic.
 
the management criticism stuff is interesting to me because i'm not sure which angle the criticism is coming from. if the gripe is the initial path they took when they could have pivoted.. that's fair. they picked the near impossible path, but then somehow made that work last year and were a top four D + top six forward away (coming into this season) away from them making that work.

but then you have elias turn into an AHL level player and Miller wants out. and demko's body breaks down to an insane level. all within a year. Soucy falls off a cliff, which isn't insignificant for this team given he was the clear cut #3 last year. i just don't know how anyone can blame all the garbage of that on management.

and yeah, they should have had a better summer. but then i feel like so many of the people who complained about that thought giving lindholm and zadorov awful contracts was the solution, so then i don't really get that lens either. and we're lucky they turned down those contracts from us.

now we're sitting here two top six forwards away + needing ep to turn into a superstar. it's just so weird.

my big picture gripe is that they didn't pivot when they could have two years ago. my recent gripe is that they went into this season a D too light.

obviously it's a results business. and you have to give them the remainder of 2025 to see where things are heading, what they do with pettersson, more clarity on hughes, how they weaponize demko's cap space (if they go that route) and what happens with boeser... just very curious. and very apathetic.

It's early yet, but the criticism will be coming from all angles.

Everything from them choosing the impossible path, to even being considered contenders last year.

It's all up for discussion.
 
Honestly…just rebuild. Full rebuild. Last year was a fluke, current performance is expected and in fact even slightly over performing.

We should be treating the team like it was the year before last year. That is the true skill level of this team. Terrible terrible moves/signings last year to gamble in the playoffs and act like we are a playoff contending team. Need to blow it all up now.
This is pure hopium. We did not do a full rebuild when we were terrible during the Jet Black era. We still tried to compete, made stupid signings instead of doing a proper tank when there were some serious players availabe. Add insult to injury we also had 2 busts while drafting in the top 6. That's why we could not build a serious core. Even Jet Black would have done a better job if he was allowed to do a full rebuild and not try to compete.

Laurence Gilman said a few days ago that the word rebuild is not in Fredo's vocabulary. There won't be any rebuild.
 

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