Post-Game Talk: Maddening Matinee

[K1984]

Fair or not, his last game saw him get pulled; he's also had a nice two week break where he had time to mentally re-set. He can't come out with that performance and expect to maintain the starter's net.

And although he got beat by several well placed shots, that doesn't excuse the fact he played several of those incredibly poorly. It's the November Leafs game all over again. where he wasn't putting himself in the best position to make the saves,: His footwork, angles, and reaction time all looked rec league level.


The issues that plagued him at the start of this season are still dogging him at the end of February; and he's more or less out of runway to get his season back on track.
He did that last year, where he was sitting at just under 910 at this point in 2024, but it becoming clearer that he won't this year, as he back under 900 for the season.

Yes, he needs to be upgraded. Think that’s clear now.

Rest of the roster needs to find a way to play like a playoff team again. Haven’t been doing that lately.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

We were certainly outplayed, and out worked.

That said - the difference wasn't that stark in terms of quality and quantity of chances until after the Flyers potted their 5th goal, at which point the team clearly sagged, quit and were looking at tomorrow's game instead.

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We're within 0.5 xGF until the Flyers got 5. Expected goals after the second period were 1.77 to 1.20. We certainly deserved to be losing, but we didn't deserve to be down 2, particularly after we had been lighting up Ersson offensively, too.

Sometimes bad goaltending deflates the team. You see it time and time again.

Dude, stop looking at charts and watch the game
This one wasn’t close…they gave up multiple breakaways, 2 on 1s and not one but TWO 2 on 0s
Ersson had a WORSE save percentage than Skinner and what did the Oilers do?

Took 2 shots in the 3rd..TWO, on a bad goalie

 

[K1984]

I am just going to keep posting Stu’s stats so you’re forced to look at them over and over while trying to continually blame everyone else for his shit play- today and all season. Even if you don’t change your mind it’s amusing to everyone else.

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Reading comprehension must not be your strong suit.

I’ll just keep calling you a dumbass if you think that the play in front of Skinner was acceptable today, regardless of who was in net.

17 shots on a trash eastern conference team, including 2 total in the third, which included a power play where they had zero shots and gave up a 2 on 0. Just ignore that though.

 

[Jumptheshark]

at least it is a short trip to DC from Philly

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Looks like the season is over from my quick glance at the thread. Sorry it's over guys and gals, see you at the draft

 

[iCanada]

We were certainly outplayed, and out worked.

That said - the difference wasn't that stark in terms of quality and quantity of chances until after the Flyers potted their 5th goal, at which point the team clearly sagged, quit and were looking at tomorrow's game instead.

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We're within 0.5 xGF until the Flyers got 5. Expected goals after the second period were 1.77 to 1.20. We certainly deserved to be losing, but we didn't deserve to be down 2, particularly after we had been lighting up Ersson offensively, too.

Sometimes bad goaltending deflates the team. You see it time and time again.

To expand on this; the relationship between a team and their goaltender is no different than any other relationship. Its human psychology - no different than your relationship with say your wife - strong healthy relationships are built upon pillars of mutual respect, admiration, trust, and dedication. When any one of those pillars start to erode and fail, all the rest of it comes crumbling down.

You see it time and time again - when goaltenders play well and their team trusts them and admire them, they elevate their play for them - they dedicate themselves to be better for them. They say "well shit, he's playing well, he deserves better - lets get this win for him, he deserves it." When one of these pillars crumbles, suddenly teams dont feel like they need to go out and play for their goaltender when they're having an off night.

You see it time and time again, its backed up by statistics. Case in point, look at the Avs before the Georgiev/Blackwoood swap, and after;

The difference here is stark - literally their xGF and their xGA improve by ~0.7 goals/60 minutes, and in the meantime the Avs also got hella banged up having basically no injuries early on and having a ton of guys sitting out afterwards, and their advanced stats are worse after the Rantanen/Necas trade than before the Ranty/Necas trade.

But again - this is a common. You see the exact same thing happen almost every time a team goes out and improves their goaltending mid season.

Another example - The panthers before and after acquiring Luongo in 2014;

Again - both xGF and xGA trend upwards substantially - by around 0.35 goals per game.

 

[lutrev]

Dog Shiite game all around.

Not one post about Draisaitl tying the scoring lead, though I doubt he cares.

 

[Missing smitty]

There’s only so many times the same topic can be rehashed.

Sure, you could also just scroll by and not engage.

The kid is the weakest link on this team. They'd be hard pressed to play better defensively in general, so the easiest way to lower goals against is better goaltending...

 

[GhostfaceWu]

Dude, stop looking at charts and watch the game
This one wasn’t close…they gave up multiple breakaways, 2 on 1s and not one but TWO 2 on 0s
Ersson had a WORSE save percentage than Skinner and what did the Oilers do?

Took 2 shots in the 3rd..TWO, on a bad goalie

Let's all agree with the guy who thinks the difference of .838 to .833 is worthy of an argumentative point.

 

[McHelpus]

Looks like the season is over from my quick glance at the thread. Sorry it's over guys and gals, see you at the draft

If Skinner is the #1 after the deadline might as well be

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

If Skinner is the #1 after the deadline might as well be

Sure, too bad to be looking forward to the draft, but we're back.

 

[K1984]

I was naive and thought the comeback against the Avs a few weeks ago would spring board this team to first in the league. Then thought it again after we spanked the Nucks at home a week later.

Instead this team took it as an opportunity to dissolve and now we’re back to basically playing October hockey. Trash goaltending, trash special teams, trash effort, trash play from our best players (McDavid, Hyman, Bouchard leading the way). Leon Draisaitl has literally been the only player on the team that has managed to not be a bum over the last few weeks with an honorable mention to Corey Perry.

Knoblauch needs to message send now, and it’s way overdue. Scratch somebody with a name (Bouchard should lead the list here), break up the fist PP unit, bench guys when they make repeated clown mistakes. It’s getting way too late in the season now for this group to slide back into the garbage habits they started the year with. Accountability needs to be driven in now if this team can’t be professional enough to bring a base level of effort and focus game to game.

 

[iCanada]

Dude, stop looking at charts and watch the game
This one wasn’t close…they gave up multiple breakaways, 2 on 1s and not one but TWO 2 on 0s
Ersson had a WORSE save percentage than Skinner and what did the Oilers do?

Took 2 shots in the 3rd..TWO, on a bad goalie

What exactly is your aversion to analytics? How do you make decisions and evaluations if you don't have the data? Do you think me looking at the analytics means I don't watch the game?

I find the whole thing to be rather strange, to be honest.

If I may - what do you do for a living?

 

[McDNicks17]

The play by Savoie on Drai's goal is a perfect example of why I'm not worried in the slightest about him being "small".

He isn't like the other small/soft players on the roster. RNH probably hasn't made a play like that a single time in his entire career.

 

[bellagiobob]

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I was just going to post this. The kid had a strong first game imo. There's a player here

 

[brentashton]

What exactly is your aversion to analytics? How do you make decisions and evaluations if you don't have the data? Do you think me looking at the analytics means I don't watch the game?

I find the whole thing to be rather strange, to be honest.

If I may - what do you do for a living?

Professional horseshoes athlete maybe. “Close”counts and so forth?

 

[Salvaged Ship]

I keep seeing comments about the people defending Skinner. Who exactly is defending him? Just because you don’t blame him for EVERY goal scored against I guess you are a defender of him. I can’t believe there is one person in here who thinks he is a good goalie and should stay the starter, not one. The way the team played in front of him today I doubt any goalie would have won that game. The defense was abysmal, the offense was abysmal, Skinner was abysmal. They desperately need to upgrade the goalie position, they definitely need to play MUCH better defensively. This does not look like a cup contending team right now, things have to dramatically change.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

What exactly is your aversion to analytics? How do you make decisions and evaluations if you don't have the data? Do you think me looking at the analytics means I don't watch the game?

I find the whole thing to be rather strange, to be honest.

If I may - what do you do for a living?

The team was completely awful in every regard in this game and no chart should convince anyone otherwise. They were outworked by a considerable margin and played some extremely stupid hockey. They got the result they deserved. You’re constantly throwing out charts for everything as if they tell the whole story. Where’s the chart that shows how many odd man rushes they gave up? Or how many times they turned the puck over right in front of their own net? Or the chart that shows how pitiful their lone power play was? They had what, 3 shots in the third period? They looked about as bad as they have their last two season openers.

 

[iCanada]

The team was completely awful in every regard in this game and no chart should convince anyone otherwise. They were outworked by a considerable margin and played some extremely stupid hockey. They got the result they deserved. You’re constantly throwing out charts for everything as if they tell the whole story. Where’s the chart that shows how many odd man rushes they gave up? Or how many times they turned the puck over right in front of their own net? Or the chart that shows how pitiful their lone power play was? They had what, 3 shots in the third period? They looked about as bad as they have their last two season openers.

I've already posted that chart.

Rush chances today were 4-2 for the Flyers.

There is no doubt about it, we played poorly and deserved to lose. I've said this many times in this thread - yet yall can't seem to admit that maybe Skinner could have been better.

 

[Missing smitty]

How do people continue to defend Skinner day in amd day out esp aftwr a performance like today

Because it's unprofessional for the players to stop playing, but when the goalie only decides to play 20 minutes, it's OK.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I've already posted that chart.

Rush chances today were 4-2 for the Flyers.

There is no doubt about it, we played poorly and deserved to lose. I've said this many times in this thread - yet yall can't seem to admit that maybe Skinner could have been better.

4-2 seems extremely generous. The Flyers probably had more than that in the third period alone. Maybe 3 players could say they had a good game: Draisatl, Savoie, and Klingberg. The rest can walk to DC.

How often do you see a team give up two separate 2 on 0s in the same game? Their defending in this game would have made Eakins blush.

 

[Missing smitty]

I keep seeing comments about the people defending Skinner. Who exactly is defending him? Just because you don’t blame him for EVERY goal scored against I guess you are a defender of him. I can’t believe there is one person in here who thinks he is a good goalie and should stay the starter, not one. The way the team played in front of him today I doubt any goalie would have won that game. The defense was abysmal, the offense was abysmal, Skinner was abysmal. They desperately need to upgrade the goalie position, they definitely need to play MUCH better defensively. This does not look like a cup contending team right now, things have to dramatically change.

The first period was fine. They quit in the second when their dogshit goaltender couldn't make a single save until the game was out of reach.

Why is it ok for the goalie to be terrible but not the rest of the team. They sucked as much as he did.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Sure, you could also just scroll by and not engage.

The kid is the weakest link on this team. They'd be hard pressed to play better defensively in general, so the easiest way to lower goals against is better goaltending...

I do for 99% of it. I only post in the sub forum on game days now and limit my time here and have the majority of posters on my ignore list

 

[iCanada]

4-2 seems extremely generous. The Flyers probably had more than that in the third period alone. Maybe 3 players could say they had a good game: Draisatl, Savoie, and Klingberg. The rest can walk to DC.

How often do you see a team give up two separate 2 on 0s in the same game? Their defending in this game would have made Eakins blush.

Yeah, it was awful and the team needs to be better - agreed 100%.

But also like... The flyers score 2.8 goals per game and average 11.3 HDCF, and also average 3.8 rush chances per game.

Given that the flyers had 12 HDSC tonight, and 4 rush chances... Its not like we sold the farm to them. We were undoubtedly awful - depending on your source and favourite model, and if you remove the 6 on 5 / ENG, the Flyers were expected to score 2.86 to 3.56 goals today.

We let in 5 goals. That doesn't cut it. The team was awful and not good enough by any metric. The team needs to be better. All I am saying, is that Stuart is included in that. I dont think that should be controversial.