MacKinnon and Rantanen or Matthews and Marner?

[Dache]

I "LOL'd" at your previous post because it was ridiculous. And I never called anyone dumb. I said that I would not be dumb by comparing seasons 1-5 to seasons 4-8. And I'm right.

And yes, some of us Leaf fans lash out at the zillions of posters in here that pile on the Leafs/Leaf fans. Since it's so obvious, there's not much point in trying anything else, as y'all are hardly EVER fair in your comments.

But I made my points about Matthews vs. McKinnon, and backed them up with some facts. Same with Marner. Have a nice day.

That’s not what you said for the dumb comments, you claimed the method I used was dumb. Why are you not being honest about that? Y’all? Again if you’re piling me in with the leaf haters then find one post that shows it, otherwise it’s clear you’re the one with bias here. I call leaf players good/great often. A lot more often then you comment positively about an opposing teams player that’s for sure.

 

[Dache]

Are people watching the games this year?

Matthews hasn't just taken a step. He's taken a giant leap. He's arguably the best forward in the league this year. Some may say McDavid but if you look at their underlying real world statistics and not things like power play points Matthews is ahead.

Power plays are definitely not real

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Are people watching the games this year?

Matthews hasn't just taken a step. He's taken a giant leap. He's arguably the best forward in the league this year. Some may say McDavid but if you look at their underlying real world statistics and not things like power play points Matthews is ahead.

You mean like 5on5 points?
McDavid - 32
Matthews - 20

Or primary 5on5 points?
McDavid - 26
Matthews - 18

Or maybe you meant 5on5 points/60?
McDavid - 3.37
Matthews - 2.46

You'll have to be clearer about which of these "real world statistics" you're referring to.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

While he’s not prime Bergeron, MacKinnon’s defensive game has come a long way. He’s only been on the ice for 7 goals against this season.

 

[jonlin]

Are people watching the games this year?

Matthews hasn't just taken a step. He's taken a giant leap. He's arguably the best forward in the league this year. Some may say McDavid but if you look at their underlying real world statistics and not things like power play points Matthews is ahead.

Please just stop... So now Matthews is better than McDavid? Strong Maple syrup? As it is now - McDavid is the BEST PLAYER in the NHL by far. No contest. I think very high of Matthews, but I`m not on drugs.

1.McDavid


MacKinnon, Draisaitl, Matthews, Barkov

 

[JLo217]

Both are good combos. I’m preferential to Mack’s physical play and more rounded talent over Matthews.

Rants due to size and offensively I find him to be more rounded than Marner with his shooting ability and sneaky good passing ability.

 

[HotPie]

While he’s not prime Bergeron, MacKinnon’s defensive game has come a long way. He’s only been on the ice for 7 goals against this season.

To be honest, I don't think either player is bringing Bergeron-like Selke level defense, and I don't think we should focus on that aspect of their games. Neither of them are defensive liabilities. Their primary contribution is offensive production.

 

[Papi 4 Hart]

You mean like 5on5 points?
McDavid - 32
Matthews - 20

Or primary 5on5 points?
McDavid - 26
Matthews - 18

Or maybe you meant 5on5 points/60?
McDavid - 3.37
Matthews - 2.46

You'll have to be clearer about which of these "real world statistics" you're referring to.

Wow matthews only has 2 secondary 5 on 5 points thats crazy.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

The difference in AAV between Matthews+Marner and Mackinnon+Rantanen is 7M. 7M is more than Nathan Mackinnon even makes.

 

[AvroArrow]

The difference in AAV between Matthews+Marner and Mackinnon+Rantanen is 7M. 7M is more than Nathan Mackinnon even makes.

We know. He should be making more, signed long term before he broke out, had he broken out a year earlier he easily would've commanded 10M+.

 

[SatanicToedrag]

Wow matthews only has 2 secondary 5 on 5 points thats crazy.

He has 4. For reference, Barkov has 2, Kopitar has 0.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

He has 4. For reference, Barkov has 2, Kopitar has 0.

NST lists Matthews with 2 secondary assists at 5on5.

 

[Foppberg]

We know. He should be making more, signed long term before he broke out, had he broken out a year earlier he easily would've commanded 10M+.

He wouldn't have demanded that though. He's not money hungry like the Toronto boys

 

[TruePowerSlave]

He wouldn't have demanded that though. He's not money hungry like the Toronto boys

Lets see MacKinnon's next contract before making any conclusions. His only extension was market value at the time.

The Toronto duo sure wanted to get paid though.

 

[Eradic Dvorak]

This is a good discussion.
Mackinnon = puck carrier with speed and a good shot. Injury prone.
Marner = puck carrier with decent speed, amazing hands.
Mathews = top 3 deadliest shots, injury prone.
Rantanen = deadly shot injury prone.

Pretty even if the duos having ratings out of 10al and total 40.
Chemistry Aves 8/10 Leafs 7/10
Speed 8/10 6/10
2 way play 6.5/10 7.5/10
Goal Threat 7.5/10 8/10
Total 30/40 28.5/40

Aves are the better duo and cost less.

Bonus duo. McDavid and Draisaitl
Chemistry 8.5/10
Speed 9/10
2 way play 7.5/10
Goal threat 9/10
Total 34/40

 

[alasania94]

Honestly i’d add Suzuki and Kotkaniemi to this

close call really, practically the same tier

 

[tomi2]

Rantanen and MacK. They play playoffs and are great performers...

 

[The Abusement Park]

Honestly i’d add Suzuki and Kotkaniemi to this

close call really, practically the same tier

Uhhh I don't think so.

 

[CatchyTune]

Honestly i’d add Suzuki and Kotkaniemi to this

close call really, practically the same tier

wut

 

[alasania94]

Uhhh I don't think so.

i was being...nevermind...

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Honestly i’d add Suzuki and Kotkaniemi to this

close call really, practically the same tier

Well, they're all hockey players, I'll give you that much.

Oops! I think I may have missed the irony. My bad.

 

[MrThomas]

Matt and marn are too expensive, you cant build a great team around them when you have cap hit. Such a shame

 

[Connor McConnor]

Mack > AM > Marner > Rantanen. I put too close to call because gap between Mack and AM is small and so is gap between Marner and Rantanen.

If cap hit was included then easily Avs but that was a bit of luck involved.

 

[Byron Bitz]

With contracts I take the Avs duo, without I go Leafs

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Nate is a freak in the playoffs so this makes him quite a bit better than Matthews. If Nate goes on another superman tear this playoffs, the gap will only increase.