MacKinnon and Rantanen or Matthews and Marner?

[SeanMoneyHands]

Who would you rather have?

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[CatchyTune]

Mackinnon > Matthews > Marner > Rantanen

based off this year alone Matthews/Marner have been better but overall Mackinnon is the best player here.

2020-21:

Mackinnon/Rantanen: 54 GP, 26 G, 40 A, 66 P (1.22 PPG)

Matthews/Marner 59 GP, 33G, 43A, 76 P (1.28 PPG)

so i think its fair to say Matthews and Marner are the better duo, at least this year. But Mack is the best player here.

 

[CatchyTune]

also you messed up the poll i think. Leafs duo is the title not a voting option

 

[Foppberg]

MacKinnon is clearly better than Matthews, and Mikko vs Marner is a coin flip.

I'll take the Avs duo (obviously).

 

[Adamantoise]

MacKinnon >~ Matthews
Rantanen = Marner

IMO. If contracts are considered then Avs in a landslide, otherwise it's a coinflip for me.

 

[spiny norman]

also you messed up the poll i think. Leafs duo is the title not a voting option

Deleted and readded the poll.

 

[CatchyTune]

Deleted and readded the poll.

thank you Mr. Spock

 

[tomi2]

Rantanen Mack. Very easily. Both of them are playoff performers.

 

[Garthinater]

If you're taking cap into account it will lean towards the aves duo but as players they are very close.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Mackinnon>Matthews
Marner=Rantanen

This year I can see the argument that maybe Marner has an edge on Rantanen but even if thats true its not enough to swing this in the leafs duo direction

 

[Paul4587]

MacKinnon is better than Matthews and Rantanen is better than Marner. Pretty easy question.

 

[drktmplr12]

I would prefer barkov-hurberdeau, but the choice wasn't there so I picked too close.

 

[McAsuno]

avalanche duo AINEC

 

[John Mandalorian]

How many times does Nate get to play Ottawa in this scenario?

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Avs fan sayings it’s close on the ice but the 7M in cap savings in the Avs two is substantial.

 

[CatchyTune]

How many times does Nate get to play Ottawa in this scenario?

as many times as Auston gets to play Anaheim. fair trade?

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Interesting comparison as these two teams play completely different styles.

The Avs are pedal to the metal North/South whenever they get the chance, the Leafs are more methodical with their approach. Both effective, just completely different team systems.

I’m not sure I could confidently pick either duo. Super close.

Maybe Avs, because of MacKinnon’s ability to drive play. Honestly though, the Leafs duo would probably be boosted playing in front of the Avs defence.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

as many times as Auston gets to play Anaheim. fair trade?

Not really

MacKinnon 1+1 3GP against Anaheim
Matthews 6+5 6GP against Ottawa

MacKinnon produced more against the top teams in the division than Anaheim.

 

[CatchyTune]

Not really

MacKinnon 1+1 3GP against Anaheim
Matthews 6+5 6GP against Ottawa

MacKinnon produced more against the top teams in the division than Anaheim.

i wasnt serious. i dont support that. production is production regardless of teams.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

Playoff production

Matthews 0.76 PPG
Marner 0.84 PPG

MacKinnon 1.35 PPG
Rantanen 1.18 PPG

Pretty significant advantage for the Avs duo once the games matter

 

[Holymakinaw]

MacKinnon is clearly better than Matthews

At what?

Not scoring goals........Not playing defence.........

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Mack>Matthews
Rantanen and Marner is a coin flip.
So you have to take the Avalanche duo here. The superior playoff performance of the Mack/Rantanen duo plus the lower cap hit tilts it even more heavily in their favour imo.

 

[Foppberg]

At what?

Not scoring goals........Not playing defence.........

Okay

 

[Holymakinaw]

Okay

Sound argument.

No, Matthews is a WAY better goal scorer. That's just a fact. Look at the goals scored in the years played and it's a clear win for AM.

And look at their defensive games. Matthews wins there easily. I'm not an adv. stats Nerd, so I'll let someone else post those, if they like. But it's pretty obvious that Matthews has a clear edge there too.

So McKinnon, who is a great player, is better at getting assists. And Matthews excels in the other two areas. So I'm not convinced that McKinnon is "better".

Are there any OTHER areas McKinnon wins at? If you claim he is "better", how about backing that statement up a little?

 

[Eltuna]

Sound argument.

No, Matthews is a WAY better goal scorer. That's just a fact. Look at the goals scored in the years played and it's a clear win for AM.

And look at their defensive games. Matthews wins there easily. I'm not an adv. stats Nerd, so I'll let someone else post those, if they like. But it's pretty obvious that Matthews has a clear edge there too.

So McKinnon, who is a great player, is better at getting assists. And Matthews excels in the other two areas. So I'm not convinced that McKinnon is "better".

Are there any OTHER areas McKinnon wins at? If you claim he is "better", how about backing that statement up a little?

Mackinnon has pretty crazy advanced stats this year, he actually leads all forwards in CF% and has great SCA metrics. Across the board he’s having a very impressive season from an advanced stats perspective. The Avs have been the best shot suppression team in the league though so his defensive numbers are no doubt being propped up by playing in front of that defence.

Mackinnons real claim to fame is his playoff performances. Rantanen gets credit for his high playoff ppg but honestly he has benefited from playing with Mack who is consistently a machine in the playoffs (not that Rantanen has been bad he just hasn’t been as good as his numbers suggest).

If you haven’t watched a whole series of playoff Mackinnon you’re missing out, even at 18 against Minnesota he was lights out, he’s this generations Briere, a guy that always seems to bring it.