Confirmed with Link: MacDermid traded to NJ for a 7th and a prospect
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He had a really solid year in the KHL.
Probably doesn't turn into anything but given what we gave up, getting a free lottery ticket here is nice.
Probably doesn't turn into anything but given what we gave up, getting a free lottery ticket here is nice.
Tommy Shelby
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Bottom 6 guy. Big body, strong net front, strong in corners, tips/deflects shots and screens goalie well.
Not much offense with the puck on his stick.
If he makes it, it will be as a penalty-killing crash and bang type of guy.
As @Pierce Hawthorne said, considering what we gave up, can't complain.
Not much offense with the puck on his stick.
If he makes it, it will be as a penalty-killing crash and bang type of guy.
As @Pierce Hawthorne said, considering what we gave up, can't complain.
AnimalMother73
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Just curious what does it mean to not be a Bednar guy? Does he prioritize physicality too much, risking defensive / puck coverage assignments, as example?
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Many here believe that Bednar neuters physical players because he wants his guys to be responsible defensively at the cost of looking for hits.
Yeah he doesn't mind physical players, but they gotta do it within the structure he has laid out. Trenin, Duhaime, and yeah, MacDermid were guys who really struggled in Colorado. And IMO that's way more on Bednar than on them. At some point you have to see what a player like that can and can't do and just let them loose. MacDermid is just a guy who goes out there and takes runs at guys. That's it. Trying to get him to be an actual player was just beyond stupid.
But that's also why bangers like NAK and LOC did well in COL, they were able to do their thing within the system, and Colton IMO when healthy can do it as well...Wood has struggled mightily however.
niwotsblessing
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That's the next level of coaching, and it's where Bednar fails.
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I thought trenin and duhaime were fine, just priced out.
I've always given him credit for throwing in young players in positions to succeed and not starting them out as 4th line/3rd pairing grinders like so many other coaches, but his big flaw is when a player is presented who doesn't fit a specific role, only then he reverts to an old-school goof.
Nah, Trenin and Duhaime got a little better when the postseason started, but they were caught chasing the play a lot during the regular season, and a big reason for that IMO is that they didn't have the IQ or skating to really fit in the system. They weren't horrid but I don't think Bednar made nearly enough adjustments to just let those guys f***ing play.
FTR, Bednar DID display some more flexibility early in his career with guys like the trio that formed the Soderberg line, but has become increasingly stodgy of late.
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I'm probably in the minority, but if Gabe, Nate, EJ, Cale, Lehky, Toews, Girard, O'Connor and Nuke don't have a second cup ring, I hope Jared Bednar isn't around to determine whether or not this kid is his "type" of player.
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GoNordiquesGo
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You can't have different systems for different players... can you imagine the chaos and missed assignments that would cause!?! Its hard enough to follow a system with the speed of the game today, creating variations based on who is on the ice at a given time is impossible.
If anything its on the GM for grabbing players who can't play within the system that is in place. But that is probably hard to assess when the targeted player never played for a team with a similar system. It becomes a gamble. Similar to the gamble with Lindgren. They assumed that within the Avs system and with a lesser role he would play better.
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I'm pretty sure that CMac talked to Bednard before acquiring them and it was a joint assessment about the fit, so in a way it is probably part Bednard's fault. But on fit assessment, not on adjusting his system for them.
If anything its on the GM for grabbing players who can't play within the system that is in place. But that is probably hard to assess when the targeted player never played for a team with a similar system. It becomes a gamble. Similar to the gamble with Lindgren. They assumed that within the Avs system and with a lesser role he would play better.
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I'm pretty sure that CMac talked to Bednard before acquiring them and it was a joint assessment about the fit, so in a way it is probably part Bednard's fault. But on fit assessment, not on adjusting his system for them.
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Okay... so you are going to rely on a 4th line center to be able to just romple-stomple the rest of the league to generate offense.
Please tell me you thought this out further than that.
Why doesn't Parker Kelly simply skate by two defenders to gain the zone and setup room at the point for Middleton to score 30?
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It's crazy... but then again, the number of people alive today who believe the earth is flat is greater than the number of people on earth during Copernicus' time.
niwotsblessing
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That's only true since half the people back then were lizards in disguise.
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There's a slew of lizard-brained folks running around today.
Bender
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Oh so the TV series "V" was actually a documentary ?
GoNordiquesGo
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Sorry you lost me...
Some people (don't know if you were one of them) were saying that guys like Trenin, Duhaime, etc... are better when they play physical and Bednard doesn't allow that as much and it was one of his failure to not adapt his system to these players.
I said that your not going to change your whole system fo ryour bottom sixers and you can't have two systems at the same time for different players, so I don't think the fault is really on Bednard for "not adjusting".
How that connects to your post above, I have no clue...
To be fair, Bednar did make adjustments to his system early on. He had to--he simply didn't have the players at that time. The Nieto-Soderberg-Comeau line was a strictly dump-and-chase grinder line that occasionally scored, but they were by no means dynamic offensively, and they didn't do the whole open cycle/high-low game he likes. It helped that both Nieto and Comeau could skate really well, and Soderberg was always a good shooter. A big reason why players like that were ultimately sent away was because they prevented Bednar from implementing the system he really wanted.Sorry you lost me...
Some people (don't know if you were one of them) were saying that guys like Trenin, Duhaime, etc... are better when they play physical and Bednard doesn't allow that as much and it was one of his failure to not adapt his system to these players.
I said that your not going to change your whole system fo ryour bottom sixers and you can't have two systems at the same time for different players, so I don't think the fault is really on Bednard for "not adjusting".
How that connects to your post above, I have no clue...
I also argue he tried to make adjustments to see about making Zadorov work, there was that stretch where he basically said "See that guy over there, cover him," and it worked for a while.
So really, he could make those adjustments for certain players...he just doesn't seem willing.
BTW, I don't think it's quite this cut-and-dried either. Guys like Coyle play a pretty old-school way, doing a lot of work down low, and he's had no issue whatsoever adapting to Bednar's system. It's not entirely on the coach.
FTR if Middleton is now the 7/8th defenseman and resident goon, I'm okay with that. Much as he's prone to horrid turnovers and dumb mistakes, he's an All-Star blueliner compared to MacDermid. I don't know if I've ever seen a bigger guy with a weaker stick. That guy got into puck battles with himself every shift, and lost.
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Pretty sure my wife said that to me the other night.
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