LW/RW Kaapo Kakko (2019, 2nd, NYR) Part 8

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I'd be disappointed if he was only a 70 point player in his prime. That would have been 50th in scoring in the NHL last season.

I wouldn't be disappointed if he was a 80-85 point but expecting him to be around 90-100 in his prime. If everything clicks, multiple 100 points seasons ;)
I don't see it, but here's hoping :)

I'll gladly take 75 points from him and ever hits point per game in his prime.
 
The draft was not over-rated or hyped by most professional scouts. The general consensus was that this was going to be an average draft that was going to be top heavy in American talent but one that did not feature any generational type talent, only good to possibly elite/franchise level talent if certain players hit their maximum ceiling. Many scouts believed that Hughes could be and they stressed could be a Kane level player but cautioned that was a very optimistic assessment and most said Kako would certainly be a first line winger with the potential of being elite. Fans read it into it what they wanted and a lot of people saw Hughes as the second coming of McDavid (with the exception of you Mr Buchnevich) and Kakko as the a better Laine.

Kakko will be fine, as will Hughes. They both will be good solid first line NHL players who could put up 80-90 point seasons from time to time. neither, however, will be exceptional. As of now the 2020 draft is receiving a lot of hype but if you read what the scouts are saying and not projecting any fantasies or wishful thinking into their assessments, there will be no generational talents in this draft either.

I never expected Kakko to be at a Crosby/McDavid type level. He wasn't projected to be that type of player.
 
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Or he is just year early in NA.

I have been whining it for a long time :)
Why would he be one year early in NA? He's pretty much done everything he can outside NA, except win the Liiga championship. He already dominated in the Liiga and national team, so going overseas was definately the right thing.

I wouldn't mind if he played in the AHL, it didn't hurt Rantanen. But I wonder if sending him down now would send the wrong message.

"More is lost indecisiont than wrong decision". I'm not sure if the current situation is the best possible one right now.
 
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Why would he be one year early in NA? He's pretty much done everything he can outside NA, except win the Liiga championship. He already dominated in the Liiga and national team, so going overseas was definately the right thing.

I wouldn't mind if he played in the AHL, it didn't hurt Rantanen. But I wonder if sending him down now would send the wrong message.

"More is lost indecisiont than wrong decision". I'm not sure if the current situation is the best possible one right now.
He is one year behind in skating and overall conditioning.

He would have lot easier to adapt NA game if he would be ready in these areas.

Year more learning to play complete game in easier enviroment would have not hurt also.
He might have done well in scoring but he still had loads to learn in other parts of the game in Liiga.

As usual now people remember few highlights and then look points total. Game is more than those.

Just my cup of Coffee.
 
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He is one year behind in skating and overall conditioning.

He would have lot easier to adapt NA game if he would be ready in these areas.

Year more learning to play complete game in easier enviroment would have not hurt also.
He might have done well in scoring but he still had loads to learn in other parts of the game in Liiga.

As usual now people remember few highlights and then look points total. Game is more than those.

Just my cup of Coffee.
Still TPS would be a terrible environment to be in right now.
 
He is one year behind in skating and overall conditioning.

He would have lot easier to adapt NA game if he would be ready in these areas.

Year more learning to play complete game in easier enviroment would have not hurt also.
He might have done well in scoring but he still had loads to learn in other parts of the game in Liiga.

As usual now people remember few highlights and then look points total. Game is more than those.

Just my cup of Coffee.
If he wants to improve, he has to be in an environment that challenges him. While I agree that his games needs work in many areas, Liiga was no challenge last year and would be less so this year. In the AHL he would have better odds improving as a player than doing the same thing he already did last year, but in a worse team this season.


Well some other team then.
Yeah good luck with that. He's not moving inside Liiga and AHL --> KHL for his development at this stage. In the AHL he can get used to the smaller rink and also can adapt culturally (learning the language etc).
 
Yeah was much more involved yesterday, the team was ass but he got a lot of chances, you can still tell he's not very confident though, he needs to pot a few and you'll see he'll drive more to the net or sling a shot on goal rather than look to defer to Zib or Panarin. He's still slow but that will take an offseason or more to fix. For now its all about confidence with him.

He's great on the PP because of his hands and his smarts, he's bad at 5v5 because he's slow and inexperienced. I'm not going to crush him for being bad at 5v5 at 18 especially on a team that as a whole is garbage at 5v5.
 
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Yeah was much more involved yesterday, the team was ass but he got a lot of chances, you can still tell he's not very confident though, he needs to pot a few and you'll see he'll drive more to the net or sling a shot on goal rather than look to defer to Zib or Panarin. He's still slow but that will take an offseason or more to fix. For now its all about confidence with him.

He's great on the PP because of his hands and his smarts, he's bad at 5v5 because he's slow and inexperienced. I'm not going to crush him for being bad at 5v5 at 18 especially on a team that as a whole is garbage at 5v5.
Sometimes it looks like he could be more active and work harder, too.
 
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It’s not conditioning, it’s effort. I have a hard time believing that an elite athlete who has never had work ethic problems in his training doesn’t have incredible conditioning for someone his age. The NHL requires better conditioning, but it’s not as if many young players aren’t stars in the league.

He’s never had to work hard on ice. When you are by far the most talented player on every team you’ve ever played on, you don’t need to work hard to be effective and earn ice time.

This is the big leagues now and he’s not better than everyone else here. I think he will eventually improve his on ice work-ethic, but he does a lot of standing around and this is why he has so many invisible games. There are going to be a lot of games when you can’t play your game, and you have to find ways to impact the game otherwise.

This is one of my biggest issues with Kakko’s game right now. He impacts the game in one way, when he has the puck on his stick. I expected him to be better off the puck when his team is in possession, better in puck battles, more alert to the play around him, better defensively. But he struggles in all those areas. That’s similar to Hughes, but the reason why most people thought he’d be more NHL ready was that he’d be better in these areas and nearly all of us were wrong about this.
 
It’s not conditioning, it’s effort. I have a hard time believing that an elite athlete who has never had work ethic problems in his training doesn’t have incredible conditioning for someone his age. The NHL requires better conditioning, but it’s not as if many young players aren’t stars in the league.

He’s never had to work hard on ice. When you are by far the most talented player on every team you’ve ever played on, you don’t need to work hard to be effective and earn ice time.

This is the big leagues now and he’s not better than everyone else here. I think he will eventually improve his on ice work-ethic, but he does a lot of standing around and this is why he has so many invisible games. There are going to be a lot of games when you can’t play your game, and you have to find ways to impact the game otherwise.

This is one of my biggest issues with Kakko’s game right now. He impacts the game in one way, when he has the puck on his stick. I expected him to be better off the puck when his team is in possession, better in puck battles, more alert to the play around him, better defensively. But he struggles in all those areas. That’s similar to Hughes, but the reason why most people thought he’d be more NHL ready was that he’d be better in these areas and nearly all of us were wrong about this.

Brind'Amour last year said to Svechnikov that 80% of the game is played without the puck (it's probably more like 95%, but that's irrelevant) and to be successful in the NHL, Svech needed to play as great the 80% of the time he didn't have the puck as he did with the puck. He put Svech with Lucas Wallmark and Jordan Martinook for almost the entire rookie season, told him to work on his play away from the puck and gave him limited (2nd group) PP time. He sheltered him knowing he had a lot to learn and a lot of people on HF were saying he was disappointing, didn't have a great rookie season, wasn't as good as touted, etc.. etc.. without understanding how he was being developed.

I haven't watched Kakko enough, but it sounds like learning how to play that other 80% is going to be key for him. I think he'll be fine though as he's got too many tools to not excel eventually.
 
Brind'Amour last year said to Svechnikov that 80% of the game is played without the puck (it's probably more like 95%, but that's irrelevant) and to be successful in the NHL, Svech needed to play as great the 80% of the time he didn't have the puck as he did with the puck. He put Svech with Lucas Wallmark and Jordan Martinook for almost the entire rookie season, told him to work on his play away from the puck and gave him limited (2nd group) PP time. He sheltered him knowing he had a lot to learn and a lot of people on HF were saying he was disappointing, didn't have a great rookie season, wasn't as good as touted, etc.. etc.. without understanding how he was being developed.

I haven't watched Kakko enough, but it sounds like learning how to play that other 80% is going to be key for him. I think he'll be fine though as he's got too many tools to not excel eventually.

The games I happened to watch it appeared Kakko was getting some serious minutes and solid PP1 time. Not sure if Quinn is Brind'Amouring him......I'm sure experienced Kakko watchers can interject .
 
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The games I happened to watch it appeared Kakko was getting some serious minutes and solid PP1 time. Not sure if Quinn is Brind'Amouring him......I'm sure experienced Kakko watchers can interject .

Not to that extent. He’s had some games on the third line and 2nd PP, and he’s probably had just as many in the top six with first PP.
 
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