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LW/RW Kaapo Kakko (2019, 2nd, NYR) Part 8

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Pavel Buchnevich said:
You keep doing the same thing, yet it's mostly irrelevant to the discussion at hand because there has never been an argument about whether he can collect a point in an isolated moment. There's no contest. We all want him to succeed. No one who had a different opinion of you is mad that he scored.

Every time someone tried explaining an exposing point of view about his development, you didn't make any real effort to explain why your point of view makes more sense. It's rather childish. Let's see if he can play a good consistent three period game. He's off to a good start today with the goal.
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His main issue's the speed of the game and he won't learn that in AHL, which is slower than levels he's dominated already.
 
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ijuka said:
His main issue's the speed of the game and he won't learn that in AHL, which is slower than levels he's dominated already.
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That is one factor, but there is so many more factors to why AHL is just a stupid option for Kakko to develop. He is a dedicated winner, he's the type that does everything it takes to win, the first and last guy on the ice.

He has shown now enough glimpses of brilliance with his strong attributes, that it's only a matter of time for him to do it more concistently. He's doing everything right in my book, and the success he's now having is also with Howden and Lemieux as limemates, and we all know how good especially Howden is..

All in all, he's a stud, and has always been and always will be.
 
This was one of his best games this season. He could've had the game winning assist, but Howden missed a chance in front late in the game off a very nice pass from Kakko. This type of offensive display is what was expected to start the season. It's not even a matter of whether he scores goals or gets points. Sometimes the puck goes in, other times it doesn't. It'll go in about 10-18% of the time, and thats the way it is in the NHL, but being involved in good scoring chances consistently, and not just on the PP, is what we need to see. He had a game like this two weeks ago, and then was rather invisible in the games after that. Let's hope for a good stretch of games from Kakko coming up.
 
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ijuka said:
His main issue's the speed of the game and he won't learn that in AHL, which is slower than levels he's dominated already.
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You say that, but I thought Chytil had the same problem last year. He looked like a chicken with his head cut off. He was constantly a step behind the play, but would have some great shifts because he's a great skater, and if he has the puck on his stick, he can make some plays. He went down there to start this season, dominated, came back to the NHL, and looks like he's processing plays much better.

The jump from Liiga to NHL is very big, so it's not unexpected that he's struggled some with processing the speed of the game, but the AHL is also a lot better of a league than Liiga. There is definitely a step up from Liiga to AHL. I think it's enough that a player like Kakko could still dominate game to game.

But let's see how his game develops over the upcoming games. More games like this one and stringing together a stretch of hockey where he's constantly making an impact, and he'll go a long way towards proving he doesn't need a stint in the AHL.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
You say that, but I thought Chytil had the same problem last year. He looked like a chicken with his head cut off. He was constantly a step behind the play, but would have some great shifts because he's a great skater, and if he has the puck on his stick, he can make some plays. He went down there to start this season, dominated, came back to the NHL, and looks like he's processing plays much better.

The jump from Liiga to NHL is very big, so it's not unexpected that he's struggled some with processing the speed of the game, but the AHL is also a lot better of a league than Liiga. There is definitely a step up from Liiga to AHL. I think it's enough that a player like Kakko could still dominate game to game.

But let's see how his game develops over the upcoming games. More games like this one and stringing together a stretch of hockey where he's constantly making an impact, and he'll go a long way towards proving he doesn't need a stint in the AHL.
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Not really alot better than Liiga, what gives and edge for AHL is, that it's similar playstyle as in NHL. (SEL and Liiga having different playstyles and rinksizes are the different makers here)
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
He had a game like this two weeks ago, and then was rather invisible in the games after that.
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He had atleast 2 games like this where he was vicible for the most part of his ice time, last time was like a week ago. so not one but 2. This is his 3rd stellar performance, and his best also. You gotta factor in how bad his linemates are playing and what he's accomplishing still. Lemieux finds his way to not suck now and then but for the most part, he just dumps it in from too far away and doesn't even try chasing it, just like Howden.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
You say that, but I thought Chytil had the same problem last year. He looked like a chicken with his head cut off. He was constantly a step behind the play, but would have some great shifts because he's a great skater, and if he has the puck on his stick, he can make some plays. He went down there to start this season, dominated, came back to the NHL, and looks like he's processing plays much better.

The jump from Liiga to NHL is very big, so it's not unexpected that he's struggled some with processing the speed of the game, but the AHL is also a lot better of a league than Liiga. There is definitely a step up from Liiga to AHL. I think it's enough that a player like Kakko could still dominate game to game.

But let's see how his game develops over the upcoming games. More games like this one and stringing together a stretch of hockey where he's constantly making an impact, and he'll go a long way towards proving he doesn't need a stint in the AHL.
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He doesn't have to make you concider him playable NHL at all, he is playing just fine, 5 goals in 7 games now. Like everyone knows there are pros to developing a young top pick in the AHL, but i got news for ya buddy, the NHL is where he is better off developing, because he clearly benefits from it good enough. And even if Chytil benefitted from the AHL too it doesn't mean anything because Chytil at 18 didn't impact the game like Kakko has.
 
Just last week we weren't even allowed to mention Kakko in the same breath with his rival player. According to same people, he was also one of the worst players in the league.

Kakko now has more goals than the player who-shall-not-be-named and is only one point behind him in scoring. It's funny how fast these things change.
 
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Just last week we weren't even allowed to mention Kakko in the same breath with his rival player. According to same people, he was also one of the worst players in the league.

Kakko now has more goals than the player who-shall-not-be-named and is only one point behind him in scoring. It's funny how fast these things change.
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Doesn't matter. No need to discus about that player in this thread or Kakko in his thread.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
This was one of his best games this season. He could've had the game winning assist, but Howden missed a chance in front late in the game off a very nice pass from Kakko. This type of offensive display is what was expected to start the season. It's not even a matter of whether he scores goals or gets points. Sometimes the puck goes in, other times it doesn't. It'll go in about 10-18% of the time, and thats the way it is in the NHL, but being involved in good scoring chances consistently, and not just on the PP, is what we need to see. He had a game like this two weeks ago, and then was rather invisible in the games after that. Let's hope for a good stretch of games from Kakko coming up.
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We had some discussions where we disagreed a lot. But your assesment about Kakko have been good for all of the season. Haven't had time to comment. I disagreed with the AHL comments but you had your point. Whether Kakko produces or not I think he should learn at NHL level he is capable of doing it.

Zone entrys are definitely his biggest weakness and I don't think that will be be star level ever but his ability to stay on puck at ozone at NHL level is going to be Top 99.9%.

Keep up the good work PB.
 
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Seems like the hype train is back on tracks. Keep it classy this time hfboards, he won't be on a hot streak forever. If we don't want people to be overly critical and downplay the achievements of an 18 year old rookie, then perhaps let's not obnoxiously rub it in and over hype everything he does while putting other rookies down.
 
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