LW/RW Fabian Lysell (2021, 21st, BOS)

[DJB]

I'll wait for one coach, teammate, that say anything about a kid trying to make the NHL that his work ethic wasn't there.

Feeling I'll wait for a while here. As always posters on this board are all experts..lol

The same applies to you when you don't have all the information about this.

Also how else do you explain one of the leading OHL point getters and comparable elite stats fall as far as he did?

 

[wetcoast]

I have absolutely no real reason to think this, but Lysell gives me huge Sebastian Collberg vibes.

Man I hope that you are wrong.

 

[VictorLustig]

I really don't see any similarities between Lysell and Collberg aside from both being undersized.

 

[vildurson]

My head likes to compare Lysell to a higher end version of Kasperi Kapanen. Similar kind of guys. Speed first, everything else after. Lysell has bit more high end playmaking skill than Kapanen has. Slightly better shot too. Slightly slower acceleration/separation than Kapanen has.

 

[JungleBeat]

People thought Kaliyev faked his age.

 

[Mats26]

A forward with size and an incredible shot fell to the second round after scoring 50 goals in his draft year.
The buzz was that there were motivation issues. His stock has gone up, this is a good thing. People grow and mature, this is a good thing.

Instead of pretending he was always perfect, maybe be thrilled that you got him in the 2nd round and he seems to have figured things out.

Pretending he was perfect ... he fell in the draft becasue of his skating and d zone coverage was a huge issue. But tell me, who actually said he had work ethic issues. "BUZZ" isn't facts buddy.

Lysell could be a steal, and starting a "BUZZ" about his attitude is nonsense. The kid has top 10 potential maybe even higher.

 

[Mats26]

The same applies to you when you don't have all the information about this.

Also how else do you explain one of the leading OHL point getters and comparable elite stats fall as far as he did?

Can you explain why Cole Caufield fell? Looked like a top 10 prospect to me. Let me guess his work ethic? Or more likely size and a dozen GMs who value size over skill? Who knows, but I am not going to make up fake news becasue some teams passed on the player.

Do some reading outside of this forum. Read quotes from old coaches, scouts, international coaches, etc.. A little research instead of forum buzz goes a long way. Get a translator app and read finnish news on Lysell and get familar with the prospect, do your own homework on Lysell, he is a good propsect.

 

[majormajor]

My head likes to compare Lysell to a higher end version of Kasperi Kapanen. Similar kind of guys. Speed first, everything else after. Lysell has bit more high end playmaking skill than Kapanen has. Slightly better shot too. Slightly slower acceleration/separation than Kapanen has.

I don't think their top speeds are close and top speed is Kapanen's defining characteristic. Lysell is a lot more agile at low speeds. It's like comparing a dancer with a runaway train.

Can you explain why Cole Caufield fell? Looked like a top 10 prospect to me. Let me guess his work ethic? Or more likely size and a dozen GMs who value size over skill? Who knows, but I am not going to make up fake news becasue some teams passed on the player.

Caufield is 5'7. No one needs to wonder why he wasn't picked.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Pretending he was perfect ... he fell in the draft becasue of his skating and d zone coverage was a huge issue. But tell me, who actually said he had work ethic issues. "BUZZ" isn't facts buddy.

Lysell could be a steal, and starting a "BUZZ" about his attitude is nonsense. The kid has top 10 potential maybe even higher.

For one thing, "D-zone issues" often does relate to work ethic, unless you prefer the scenario where Kaliyev was just defensively incompetent.

The top google result was this article:

Boom, bust, or Vanek: Why Arthur Kaliyev's a wild-card prospect

Including:

"He'll need to do the same with his slow pace of play, poor attention to detail in the defensive end, and lack of physicality."

"Some people question whether that's a function of Kaliyev's skating ability, while others theorize about a lack of passion. And the criticism isn't exclusively aimed at Kaliyev's time with the puck; it's his play away from the puck that raises eyebrows. On the forecheck, for instance, he tends to leisurely cruise into the offensive zone"

"But he plays at a slow pace. Obviously he can move, it's about if he wants to ... Money's a pretty good motivator in that regard."

"He's not somebody who is a physical player, not somebody you see fully engaged in the defensive end," Otten said. "I think that's going to be the biggest black mark for him. If he's not producing offensively, the question will be, what is he doing for your hockey team?

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Now, I can already predict that your rebuttal will be to look at this, and other articles, and point to places where his coach at the time defends his play style as being cerebral instead of lazy or passionless.

But I'm not trying to prove that Kaliyev IS lazy or has a poor motor, but that there were questions about it at the time. Further, no junior coach is going to say that a top prospect of theirs has bad character, so you're seeking proof that basically doesn't exist.

 

[vildurson]

I don't think their top speeds are close and top speed is Kapanen's defining characteristic. Lysell is a lot more agile at low speeds. It's like comparing a dancer with a runaway train.

That is now vs future. I wonder how Lysell's top end speed will look if he bulks a little. Problem with top speed comparisons is that I rarely see players in NHL getting to go to their full top speed due to rinks being so small and distances between players being smaller as well.

As of Caufield. He just dropped because of his size. Another thing might have been his avarage skating.

 

[The Blunder Years]

Speedy winger with high end passing and an underrated shot. Typically players with this combination of traits can be a consistent top 9 player with capabilities of playing a role if unable to produce at a high rate in the NHL. Maybe not a top 10 talent like some have mentioned throughout the year but I would put him in that mid-1st forward tier with Sillinger, Raty, Pinelli, Stankoven.

 

[Beesfan]

Speedy winger with high end passing and an underrated shot. Typically players with this combination of traits can be a consistent top 9 player with capabilities of playing a role if unable to produce at a high rate in the NHL. Maybe not a top 10 talent like some have mentioned throughout the year but I would put him in that mid-1st forward tier with Sillinger, Raty, Pinelli, Stankoven.

I think Raty and Stankoven are going mid--2nd.

15-20 seems right for Lysell though. Guessing he goes in a cluster with Coranoto, Othmann, Pinelli, Svechkov and Pastujov (who I see as a riser).

 

[Osakahaus]

I think Raty and Stankoven are going mid--2nd.

15-20 seems right for Lysell though. Guessing he goes in a cluster with Coranoto, Othmann, Pinelli, Svechkov and Pastujov (who I see as a riser).

Stankoven is a 1st rounder at this rate

 

[Whileee]

McKenzie polls NHL scouts and develops a list that tends to be very close to the actual draft order. His April list has Lysell at #12, indicating that NHL teams don't seem that worried about attitude issues. Maybe that will change after interviews and will be reflected in the final list, but the team transfer per se hasn't really affected his draft stock that much with NHL teams, it seems.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

If I’m an NHL GM, I like the fact that a player wants to play. If his attitude issues were that he wanted to be moved to get more minutes, that tells me he’s competitive and I like that.

 

[Osakahaus]

McKenzie polls NHL scouts and develops a list that tends to be very close to the actual draft order. His April list has Lysell at #12, indicating that NHL teams don't seem that worried about attitude issues. Maybe that will change after interviews and will be reflected in the final list, but the team transfer per se hasn't really affected his draft stock that much with NHL teams, it seems.

As long as he can score and do his work on the ice, then thats what matters. He needs to also at least not let his attitude get in the way.

 

[Mats26]

If I’m an NHL GM, I like the fact that a player wants to play. If his attitude issues were that he wanted to be moved to get more minutes, that tells me he’s competitive and I like that.

Hit the nail on the head on this one.
Rather have a kid that wants to play, shows passion for the game, wants more exposure in his draft year. But this is perceived as negative attitude by internet scouts.

 

[Osakahaus]

Hit the nail on the head on this one.
Rather have a kid that wants to play, shows passion for the game, wants more exposure in his draft year. But this is perceived as negative attitude by internet scouts.

Theres nothing wrong with that compete. Its bad when it gets to the level of someone like a JHS or someone who doesn't take the liberties to improve their game. Thats what is a red flag to me as a scout when im looking at players and their attitudes. Lysell doesn't seem to disdain the defensive game so he's fine, but only time will tell

 

[theslatcher]

FWIW nobody I've heard talk to/interview Lysell has left with an impression of any sign of attitude problems. I have yet to see anybody with anything of substance regarding attitude problems other than his org switch. Speaking of org switch, I'd be ok with the team that drafts him putting him into the CHL(so, with the Giants, who drafted him).

With that said, I think his main problem right now is that he's seemingly always playing at 100%. Nobody can accuse him of a lack or work ethic, at least.

 

[Mats26]

Theres nothing wrong with that compete. Its bad when it gets to the level of someone like a JHS or someone who doesn't take the liberties to improve their game. Thats what is a red flag to me as a scout when im looking at players and their attitudes. Lysell doesn't seem to disdain the defensive game so he's fine, but only time will tell

I understand your point, past experiances do affect current decisions\feelings, but Lysell is no JHS. Yakupov was on at least one team's no draft list because of his attitude yet he went first overall. Some teams ignore the attitude issues others make it a big part of the prospects grade. But like I said and along with other posters unless there is clear indication that Lysell is a headcase for wanting for more ice time it's not negative at all.

 

[Osakahaus]

I understand your point, past experiances do affect current decisions\feelings, but Lysell is no JHS. Yakupov was on at least one team's no draft list because of his attitude yet he went first overall. Some teams ignore the attitude issues others make it a big part of the prospects grade. But like I said and along with other posters unless there is clear indication that Lysell is a headcase for wanting for more ice time it's not negative at all.

Well i don't think he is a JHS at all. I just always have that fear that anytime theres a prospect with attitude issues I get really bad gut feelings about them. In the terms of him, he did it to himself.

As for that, its good to drive compete at least, but is he able to elevate himself? thats the million dollar question. I would absolutely love lysell if he became a player like kapanen who uses shiftiness to his advantage.

 

[AMScouting]

Significant plays from five games of Lysell:

 

[Artorius Horus T]

Stankoven is a 1st rounder at this rate

It would be strange if he wasn't.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

Is it weird that Lysell been ranked 3rd (Dobber) to 27th (Craig Button)?
(avg ranking of 11-12th)

 

[VictorLustig]

Well i don't think he is a JHS at all. I just always have that fear that anytime theres a prospect with attitude issues I get really bad gut feelings about them. In the terms of him, he did it to himself.

As for that, its good to drive compete at least, but is he able to elevate himself? thats the million dollar question. I would absolutely love lysell if he became a player like kapanen who uses shiftiness to his advantage.

Interesting. Where did you read about these attitude issues?