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LW Patrik Laine - Tappara, FEL (2016 Draft)

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Tuomaz said:
They play way different kind of game though...
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Must've been the videos I watched then. I'm not saying they play the same styles but their skating ability, their shot quality and passing ability just look about the same. Remember Vanek was a 5th overall pick in what was the most deep draft in over 15 years and probably the best draft.

It's not an insult to the guy. I personally would like to see when he doesn't have as much room to skate how easily he can get open for his shots.
 
OkimLom said:
It's not an insult to the guy. I personally would like to see when he doesn't have as much room to skate how easily he can get open for his shots.
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That's the gist of it. Laine can force his way through or around defenders for now especially if they make a mistake in guarding him. It's a whole different ballgame with a 230 lbs tower of muscle pushing him constantly around in a rink with even less space to get away. Imagine trying to write these posts with someone like that doing his very best to throw you away from the computer. :)

That transition is what has traditionally proven to be very difficult for Finnish players, we'll just have to see how this new generation of high draft picks turns out in a decade or so.
 
Risingwind said:
Any link? Which newspaper?
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Aamulehti. I tried to find a link, when I wrote my previous post, but couldn't find anything. I presume, you have to pay of the days paper in internet to see it. I have the paper version my self.
 
Ihmeilja said:
Aamulehti. I tried to find a link, when I wrote my previous post, but couldn't find anything. I presume, you have to pay of the days paper in internet to see it. I have the paper version my self.
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Take pictures and upload here *puppy eyes*
 
Ihmeilja said:
I wouldn't compare Laine to Matthews. Matthews is a potential franchise center and Laine is a potential 1st line scoring winger. You could build a team around Matthews and Laine would be a nice peace in that construction.
I would rather compare Laine to Joel Armia, who was taken at 16 and think the things, where Laine is better than Armia was at that age:

Size: Laine is 6'5 to Armias then 6'3(now 6'4).
Skating: Armia a bit better.
Shot: Laine by far.
Playmaking: Laine.
Passing: Laine.
All around play, professionality: Laine.
Physicality: Laine.
Deking: Armia.
Puck posession: Laine.
Finishing: Armia.
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You must have misinterpreted something since I never compared Laine to Matthews (two players who are not alike other than both having great potential).
Ha, it almost seems like a trend having a scoring big Finnish winger being compared to Armia these days (last year it was Rantanen). Maybe if Laine struggled with consistancy and two way game, just like Armia you could draw that card but I don't see any problems with consistancies - quite the contrary.


I'd say that it is overhyping, if posters claim he is clear number one and, that only nationality can be drop him from there.
As I said earlier, I dont see Laine challenging Matthews for the first spot, but he could challenge other guys for 2nd overall.



I think Barkov was a better player at this age, than Laine and Barkov went 2nd. Barkov is and was a defencive player and he scored about PPG in Liiga at his draft year. In Laine's case it is more about scoring.
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Overhyping a potential top3 prospect in yet again very deep draft? M'kay. :sarcasm:

How many posts have you actually seen stating Laine is clear cut #1? I don't recall that many and most who have said that are either trolling or watching hockey with blue & white glasses.

Obviously centers are better valued compared to wingers so Matthews does have an edge there. However it doesn't make Matthews a better player. He may be ahead of Laine today but there's no way to predict how it looks after the season.

Barkov was a better two way player but then again Barkov was propably the best two way player of the whole age class. Not to mention, he propably had better players surrounding him back then than Laine has to day. Tappara as a whole doesn't look very convincing to me having watched most of their games.
 
kelsier said:
Barkov was a better two way player but then again Barkov was propably the best two way player of the whole age class. Not to mention, he propably had better players surrounding him back then than Laine has to day. Tappara as a whole doesn't look very convincing to me having watched most of their games.
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Tappara was struggling in the standings when Barkov came in as a 16 year old. He managed to put up 0.5ppg from third line, highest ppg from all centers in Tappara. Then, Ville Nieminen who had been struggling with his game came to Tappara. Barkov got Nieminen and Haapala on his wing, both were Ppg with Barkov. Haapala got demoted to a lower line when Hannik Jansen came, and never got another point before getting sent to juniors. Haapala wouldn't make the team for another two years and never be at PPG pace since. Same with Nieminen, same with Hansen. Barkovs ability was to make his wingers one tier better. Laine doesn't seem to have that, despite the ability to score at a high rate while playing with a league worst linemates.
 
Hagged said:
Tappara was struggling in the standings when Barkov came in as a 16 year old. He managed to put up 0.5ppg from third line, highest ppg from all centers in Tappara. Then, Ville Nieminen who had been struggling with his game came to Tappara. Barkov got Nieminen and Haapala on his wing, both were Ppg with Barkov. Haapala got demoted to a lower line when Hannik Jansen came, and never got another point before getting sent to juniors. Haapala wouldn't make the team for another two years and never be at PPG pace since. Same with Nieminen, same with Hansen. Barkovs ability was to make his wingers one tier better. Laine doesn't seem to have that, despite the ability to score at a high rate while playing with a league worst linemates.
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Well the whole "making linemates better" is very much tied to the position. Wingers are a bit more individual players than centers, who basically have to take care of everything. But that doesnt mean that "Laine" couldnt be as important to the team as "Barkov".

Comparing these two just doesnt provide any value basically, because they bring such different things to the table.
 
Is Ilomäki a PPG player without Laine? And I believe Karjalainen had his first multi-point-game in Tappara right when he got a chance to play with Laine. I mean, statistically a high-scoring forward does upgrade the players around him. I don't know if their game is different in any way, but for example Karjalainen got something else out from passing the puck than he gets when playing with Kaksonen(whose shot is below average Mestis-level).
 
Hagged said:
Tappara was struggling in the standings when Barkov came in as a 16 year old. He managed to put up 0.5ppg from third line, highest ppg from all centers in Tappara. Then, Ville Nieminen who had been struggling with his game came to Tappara. Barkov got Nieminen and Haapala on his wing, both were Ppg with Barkov. Haapala got demoted to a lower line when Hannik Jansen came, and never got another point before getting sent to juniors. Haapala wouldn't make the team for another two years and never be at PPG pace since. Same with Nieminen, same with Hansen. Barkovs ability was to make his wingers one tier better. Laine doesn't seem to have that, despite the ability to score at a high rate while playing with a league worst linemates.
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Huh. Isn't Ilomäki currently #12 in points over the league? How is that making your line mates worse? Would anyone actually even thought Ilomäki being close to top10 player in the league (pointwise)? The whole line seems to be one of the few delightful sights when watching this team and a lot of the credit goes to Laine. This "not making his team mates better" -statement really doesn't hold a whole lot value.

Besides I was preferring to Barkov's 17yo season. It's far more comfortable looking at their respective draft seasons than going back to the prior year (when Laine wasn't even playing FEL). As a player type they are hardly comparable. Maybe it's debatable who had the better line mates but that's as far as I would go.
 
http://www.urheilulehti.fi/jaakiekk...-taysin-ansaittua-tallaista-ei-ole-tullut-suo

Hockey commentators talking about Laine and his Liga start. One of them thinks he may have the best wrist shot in the league eventhough being only 17 years old. Interesting clip but too much stuff and too little time to translate all of it. Maybe a little bit funny title though: "Nothing like we have ever seen coming out of Finland", when considering this one guy who once upon a time broke a rookie scoring record in the NHL.
 
kelsier said:
Maybe a little bit funny title though: "Nothing like we have ever seen coming out of Finland", when considering this one guy who once upon a time broke a rookie scoring record in the NHL.
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But they spoke about that we have never produced a _big_ right handed winger with that kind of scoring touch. Selanne isn`t that big.
 
armyjoe said:
But they spoke about that we have never produced a _big_ right handed winger with that kind of scoring touch. Selanne isn`t that big.
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Nope. It's just the way it is in these "click me"-titles which take one "sensational" phrase out of the context and there you have it.
 
I boycott UL nowadays because of their crappy click-journalism. Complete sensationalist crap. But Laine is a rare specimen in Finnish hockey though.
 
Tappara has scored 6 goals so far. Laine one goal...

edit: 7 goals now and laine still only 1... what's going on?
 
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