LW Brayden Tracey - Moose Jaw Warriors, WHL (2019, 29th, ANA)

[WhatTheDuck]

He may have been too negative but you're clearly being too positive. And even if you want to cut the Ducks some slack on the Tracey pick specifically, the management staff essentially let an asset burn its value completely out when it was becoming clearer that Tracey wouldn't become the NHLer they thought he would. Tracey regressed from his DY to D+1 and D+2, perfect opportunity to trade him at some point to recoup some value.

It was a bad pick, not disputing that. It was ridiculous to state that the scout should have been fired just on that basis, and I don't think it's "being too positive" to say as much. There's a reason he completely bowed out of the conversation and started with the immature crap, he doesn't have the facts to back up his side.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

It was a bad pick, not disputing that. It was ridiculous to state that the scout should have been fired just on that basis, and I don't think it's "being too positive" to say as much. There's a reason he completely bowed out of the conversation and started with the immature crap, he doesn't have the facts to back up his side.

I meant you're being too positive about the Ducks drafting & excuse making to clear them of their recent draft mistakes/underachieving, not about the Ducks Dub scout stuff.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I meant you're being too positive about the Ducks drafting & excuse making to clear them of their recent draft mistakes/underachieving, not about the Ducks Dub scout stuff.

Sorry, where within this argument did I do so? I refuted that specific late first round picks were bad, when they produced NHL players. Again that's a stat based argument based on the rate of getting anything out of late first rounders, it's not Ducks specific.

I think I'm being entirely more reasonable than anyone suggesting a scout should be fired solely for one bad pick at 29th overall

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Sorry, where within this argument did I do so? I refuted that specific late first round picks were bad, when they produced NHL players. Again that's a stat based argument based on the rate of getting anything out of late first rounders, it's not Ducks specific.

I think I'm being entirely more reasonable than anyone suggesting a scout should be fired solely for one bad pick at 29th overall

Steel disappointed, Etem disappointed, Tracey completely busted. Just out of the Dub.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Steel disappointed, Etem disappointed, Tracey completely busted. Just out of the Dub.

Steel and Etem were not bad picks relative to where they were drafted. The Ducks made four late first rounders out of the W within a short span. One star (Theodore), two NHL players and one bust. That's above expectations for picks that again have about a 25% chance of producing a player who sticks for 100+ NHL games.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Steel and Etem were not bad picks relative to where they were drafted. The Ducks made four late first rounders out of the W within a short span. One star (Theodore), two NHL players and one bust. That's above expectations for picks that again have about a 25% chance of producing a player who sticks for 100+ NHL games.

They weren't the correct picks though, same with Tracey, that's what matters. Hold your scouts to the highest standard. Simple

 

[Static]

You sound like a federal employee currently being assessed by DOGE who is resisting any performance metrics and reasonable expectations.

Aha, things make sense now.

They weren't the correct picks though, same with Tracey, that's what matters. Hold your scouts to the highest standard. Simple

Every team would have to fire their scouts every year then? Anaheim's scouts hit more often than almost any other franchise, so, maybe they are of the highest standard?

Nobody is infallible, but that is baked into the job.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

They weren't the correct picks though, same with Tracey, that's what matters. Hold your scouts to the highest standard. Simple

So like I said earlier, you expect teams to fire scouts when they miss on late firsts 75% of the time. Even two years after having just landed a star with a late first? Seems...reactive

 

[Static]

Larsson and etem are difficult post-draft reads because both blew their knees out early in development. It pretty much ended etem's career. I'd bet at least etem would have had a long career and been a successful pick; not a star or anything close, but a useful player who played a lot of games.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Aha, things make sense now.


Every team would have to fire their scouts every year then? Anaheim's scouts hit more often than almost any other franchise, so, maybe they are of the highest standard?

Nobody is infallible, but that is baked into the job.

Gaucher, Warren, Myatovic, Clara, Pitre are all not trending well. Perreault already busted, Colangelo, Terrance & Hinds look meh at best. Moore won't be anything most likely.

McTavish, Zellweger, Mintyukov, Luneau, Carlsson, Sidorov, Sennecke, T. Smith look good to varying degrees. I'm cautiously optimistic with Solberg, Pettersson, & Masse, we'll see.

I think the Ducks' drafting has been a mixed bag, definitely solid in some respects but still leaves me wanting more considering how many picks they've had and several players drafted shortly after the Ducks' picks who've turned out better already. I tend to be more critical of all management/scouting staffs when it comes to the draft, high standards should be help.

 

[Static]

Gaucher, Warren, Myatovic, Clara, Pitre are all not trending well. Perreault already busted, Colangelo, Terrance & Hinds look meh at best. Moore won't be anything most likely.

McTavish, Zellweger, Mintyukov, Luneau, Carlsson, Sidorov, Sennecke, T. Smith look good to varying degrees. I'm cautiously optimistic with Solberg, Pettersson, & Masse, we'll see.

I think the Ducks' drafting has been a mixed bag, definitely solid in some respects but still leaves me wanting more considering how many picks they've had and several players drafted shortly after the Ducks' picks who've turned out better already. I tend to be more critical of all management/scouting staffs when it comes to the draft, high standards should be help.

Is it wise to evaluate anaheim's drafting on players who are still in development? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Evaluate their drafting on players who have now physically matured and exited development into what they are and will be as players. If you do that, their record is one of the best.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

There’s no point putting in any further effort for someone who is so unreasonable and likely special. I can guarantee he will feel a sense of urgency to have the last response.

He’s one of the posters here that poisons HFBOARDS.

Lmao you preach about accountability, have a look in the mirror bud. I have been making perfectly reasonable arguments and you ran out of garage to spew and started shit posting dumb memes and personal attacks like usual. You have gone completely off topic trying to make this personal, and I'm the one who poisons the board? Give your head a shake, don't make such stupid posts if you're going to be this offended when someone explains why you're wrong.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Gaucher, Warren, Myatovic, Clara, Pitre are all not trending well. Perreault already busted, Colangelo, Terrance & Hinds look meh at best. Moore won't be anything most likely.

McTavish, Zellweger, Mintyukov, Luneau, Carlsson, Sidorov, Sennecke, T. Smith look good to varying degrees. I'm cautiously optimistic with Solberg, Pettersson, & Masse, we'll see.

I think the Ducks' drafting has been a mixed bag, definitely solid in some respects but still leaves me wanting more considering how many picks they've had and several players drafted shortly after the Ducks' picks who've turned out better already. I tend to be more critical of all management/scouting staffs when it comes to the draft, high standards should be help.

As is that of every team, no one hits on every pick. The Ducks do so at a higher rate than most though

 

[Reddawg]

A lengthy argument about Brayden Tracey of all people was nowhere on my HF Bingo card today.

 

[hypereconomist]

As is that of every team, no one hits on every pick. The Ducks do so at a higher rate than most though

Seriously. Between 2008-20, the Ducks drafted 28 NHL regulars. That's a great hit rate. Reliably drafting 2+ NHL players out of every draft puts them near or at the top of the league for drafting capability.

Imagine what the Ducks defense would be like right now if they didn't trade Lindholm, Montour, Theodore, and Petterssen.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Seriously. Between 2008-20, the Ducks drafted 28 NHL regulars. That's a great hit rate. Reliably drafting 2+ NHL players out of every draft puts them near or at the top of the league for drafting capability.

Imagine what the Ducks defense would be like right now if they didn't trade Lindholm, Montour, Theodore, Petterssen, and Drysdale.

They've definitely had more issues with developing/identifying/keeping their talent than drafting

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I heard someone hating on Sam steel…. Apologize

 

[StuckOutHere]

A lengthy argument about Brayden Tracey of all people was nowhere on my HF Bingo card today.

The intersection of Ducks fans and WHL drafting experts truly chose war.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Tracey was an offensive swing in 2019, kinda like Perreault (OHL) the following draft year. Perreault was just another iteration of Kaliyev (OHL), who was drafted a few picks after Tracey. I guess the org wanted more of a boy scout in Tracey's work ethic over Kaliyev lack of work ethic. Athough, Kaliyev and Z had chemistry on team USA for the WJC-20 team.

I can't say much about the Tracey pick since I was high on LD Thrun at 29th overall. Tracey looked promising between his D+2 and D+3 seasons in the AHL, going from 0 points in 12 AHL games to 31 points in 55 AHL games. Then the Ducks' org did a whole revamp in coaches and personnel after Tracey's D+3 season and Tracey became lost in the shuffle.

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Just how often do prospects play 200 NHL games?

Just looking at forwards drafted in the first round, the success rate of playing 200 NHL games is 35%. That means 65% of the forwards drafted fail to meet that standard. There are more failures in the NHL draft. And you can reduce those chances of failing by picking in the top-10 of each draft. The chart and graph do not depict "impact" players, but it would probably have a lower production output than the 200 NHL games threshold for the chart and graph. This will make sense with the listing of players below who have over 200 NHL games and are not "impactful".

People have too high of a standard in finding "impact" players outside the top-3/top-10.

WHL Players drafted by the Ducks in rounds 1-3, 2009 to 2021.
2009: None ---
2010: Rd 1, 29. RW Etem (173 NHL games)
2011: None ---
2012: None---
2013: Rd 1, 26. LD Theodore (552 NHL games)
2014: None ---
2015: Rd 3, 84. RW Sideroff (no NHL games)
2016: Rd 1, 30. C Steel (392 NHL games)
............ Rd 3, 85. LD Mahura (236 NHL games)
2017: None ---
2018: None ---
2019: Rd 1, 29. LW Tracey (1 NHL game)
2020: None ---
2021: Rd 2, 34. LD Zellweger (67 NHL games, first full year in NHL this season)
========= Not enough time to project ===========
2022: None ---
2023: Rd 2, 33. LW Myatovic (n/a)
............ Rd 3, 85. RW/LW Sidorov (n/a)
2024: Rd 3, 79. LD Tarin Smith (n/a)

Apparently, the Duck scouts are kinda boss at drafting WHL defensemen. The Ducks scouts are 3/3 with WHL D playing 200 NHL games (or will get there) with Theodore, Mahura, and Zellweger. Mahura kinda needed more time to develop.

As for WHL forwards, Etem's blown out knee derailed his career. That's just terrible luck. Steel found a niche as a bottom-6, journey NHL centerman. Sideroff and Tracey are busts. It's an odd 50% rate with WHL forwards, if one would believe Etem would have had a longer career if not for his knee injury.

 

[Jukurit]

Tracey signs with HC Slovan Bratislava in Slovakian league.

 

[BKarchitect]

Never expected the Brayden Tracey thread to blow up like this in February of 2025!

 

[Reddawg]

Tracey signs with HC Slovan Bratislava in Slovakian league.