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LW Arthur Kaliyev (2019, 33rd, LAK)

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Scored two goals in the AAPG. Not the hardest of finishes, but they all count the same. I didn't think he had a good game, but you can't fault a two goal game.
 
AmericanDream said:
not much love for this kid, but he just keeps powering to the net and scoring goals...I don't understand what more people want from him to start ranking him inside the top 15-20 consistently
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Completely agree. I figured that as long as he continues to develop like last season, he could be a top 10 pick, like Owen Tippett who is also a natural sniper.
 
Michoulicious said:
Has way better hands than Pacioretty, and is clearly less explosive as a skater.

As a NHL comparable would maybe be Vanek? ... He does not mind going to the net, and is a quality finisher. However, I don't think he possesses the elite hand-eye coordination skills that Vanek has (few players have that...).
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If people look at your comment with today's Vanek, I think they would think Kaliyev is not a top young player, but when Vanek came out of the USHL, he was a beast, a very underrated overall player like Patches who scored goals consistently over their careers. Never the best but always right there..I would take that and run for Kaliyev to turn into another Vanek.
 
AmericanDream said:
I think Kaliyev has more grit and jam to his game, he goes a bit more physical, but on offense skills, this would be a good comp as well..
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I said Pacioretty because I think the PWF elements in his game that people talk about are the most overrated part of his game. He's better at that than non-PWF's, but I kind of think he's more finesse than he gets credit for being. Maybe he's not as much finesse as Pacioretty, but I think similar in the sense that he has a PWF frame, but is more of a goal-scoring winger than a true PWF.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
I said Pacioretty because I think the PWF elements in his game that people talk about are the most overrated part of his game. He's better at that than non-PWF's, but I kind of think he's more finesse than he gets credit for being. Maybe he's not as much finesse as Pacioretty, but I think similar in the sense that he has a PWF frame, but is more of a goal-scoring winger than a true PWF.
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Pacioretty was a PWF until 2012 when he decided he could just get paid to score goals. Definetely not a good comparison IMO.

I agree with the Vanek on and Id say a slightly slower Erik cole but with a better shot.
 
AmericanDream said:
If people look at your comment with today's Vanek, I think they would think Kaliyev is not a top young player, but when Vanek came out of the USHL, he was a beast, a very underrated overall player like Patches who scored goals consistently over their careers. Never the best but always right there..I would take that and run for Kaliyev to turn into another Vanek.
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Vanek is still a good player, but he was a superb player in his early years... Great shot, great hands but mostly an amazing hockey sense (the proverbial "hockey IQ"). There is a reason why he got an offersheet... Still nowadays he is among the best in the NHL to finish/redirect pucks in front of the net with Crosby, Tavares, JVR, etc.

If Kaliyev can become a Vanek 2.0, it would be amazing... But I think Vanek was superior as a prospect.
 
Michoulicious said:
Vanek is still a good player, but he was a superb player in his early years... Great shot, great hands but mostly an amazing hockey sense (the proverbial "hockey IQ"). There is a reason why he got an offersheet... Still nowadays he is among the best in the NHL to finish/redirect pucks in front of the net with Crosby, Tavares, JVR, etc.

If Kaliyev can become a Vanek 2.0, it would be amazing... But I think Vanek was superior as a prospect.
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Kaliyev doesnt have anything near the talent to redirect pucks. He can do it, but not on Vaneks level. But Id say his shot and his net drive is better. Hes a goal scorer, and I think hes better than both zadina and Wahlstrom at it.
 
In all quietness, Kaliyev is having a beast of a season, 9 goals in 10 games, with 6 assists, 16 points
Its not like Arthur has a single same level player around him (not even close) to play hockey with in Hamilton.

Not sure why Kaliyev has lost all the love suddenly.
 
GeorgeLeafer12 said:
In all quietness, Kaliyev is having a beast of a season, 9 goals in 10 games, with 6 assists, 16 points
Its not like Arthur has a single same level player around him (not even close) to play hockey with in Hamilton.

Not sure why Kaliyev has lost all the love suddenly.
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I think it may be more of a case of simply all of the high end 2019 forward prospects that are off to great starts. He has been lost in the shuffle to some extent, but IMO he should be a top-10 selection in the 2019 draft.
 
GeorgeLeafer12 said:
In all quietness, Kaliyev is having a beast of a season, 9 goals in 10 games, with 6 assists, 16 points
Its not like Arthur has a single same level player around him (not even close) to play hockey with in Hamilton.

Not sure why Kaliyev has lost all the love suddenly.
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Many see him as too one dimensional.... a lot of Eeli Tolvanen in his game IMO, who went late in the 1st round as well. Can score from anywhere but doesn't do enough of the other things like a lot of the the other top forwards in the draft. So if you have two guys who can score, one works for pucks and cares away from the puck and the other doesn't... the player that does more gets put ahead of the one that doesn't. A lot of goal scorers in the OHL never get there as pro's.... he was probably one of those players that could have benefited more by going the NCAA route. no question if he flips a switch and starts to give a damn about other areas of his game, he could be really good.. .but how often does that happen?
 
He’s horrendously inconsistent both in a shift-by-shift and game-by-game context, but he’s downright scary when he’s on.

Put up a hat trick today without a lot of effort.
 
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