Luongo was offer sheeted by Detroit in 2006

vadim sharifijanov

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but actually, this whole thread is an exercise in cloud talk because there is basically zero chance vancouver doesn’t match any offer sheet

coming off cloutier/auld and the repeated failures of naslund/bertuzzi and run and gun crawford hockey, they miraculously landed a franchise goalie and they were going to go all in on him. that summer they also overhauled the coaching staff to go defensive and turtle shell in front of luongo.
 
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For 2005-06, it looks like Osgood stumbled a bit around the new year which let Manny take the reins (solidified with the back-to-back shutouts of the Avs and Preds in early February).


Things became more of a timeshare when Legace faltered a bit in early March - I recall speculation at the time that Legace didn't have the stamina and had never played as much as he did in 2005-06 (even in junior).

My recollection of that season is that Osgood was brought in to battle for the starting job and was expected to win it, but his wonky groin kept him out of the start of the season.

Legace went on that tear to start the year (IIRC, some kind of record for wins in October for the team) and Babcock pretty quickly named Legace the teams starter and that never really wavered. Though IIRC, Legace was weird about it (IE, I recall some interview where someone in the Det. media congratulated him for being named starter and his response "Ehh, I'm not that good" or something like that. Ranked up there with him saying he was going to hang himself after the playoff elimination).

You can see where when both were healthy, Legace got most of the work. Osgood starting getting more starts as the schedule got more cramped after the Olympics, but Legace was still seen as the main guy.

Then when Legace shat the bed in the playoffs, it was rumored Osgood was supposed to get the call for game 4, but his wonky groin crept up in the morning skate and he was done for the series.

They re-signed Osgood at the same low cost (of course he would've played for Detroit for 4 Chalupa Supreme's a year) to continue as backup and also an option as starter since the market was pretty thin. I think even Hasek was seen as a red flag due to his age and that injury thing with the Olympics and Sens.
 

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To me I look at a goalie's performance on an individual level to see if he choked. Did he let in a bad untimely goal often? To me that's choking. Did he lose to a team he should have beat? Did he cough up a lead in a series? Did he play poorly in the losses? All of that leads to whether or not a goalie chokes. Cujo did have those moments in the 1st round where he was excellent, but he did lag in the later rounds and just didn't have that killer instinct in the international tournaments either. 1996 World Cup, man, you had Richter on the other end standing on his head. You have to win that game Cujo! Anyway, I think Luongo looked bad when he lost. 2009, 2010 and 2012 come to mind. Also in 2011 that Game 7 really changed the way he could have been viewed. If he gets a shutout then he has three shutouts in the Cup final and no doubt wins the Conn Smythe. It is easy to forget that the consensus going into that game was that whoever won the Cup the goalie (Tim Thomas on the other side) was going to win the Smythe. So I won't hang Luongo so badly for that one but he just looked bad in Game 7. And he looked horrible in the final games in 2009 and 2010. And while we are at it he did not have a great Cup final overall since he was pulled twice and in the game he stayed in he let in 8 goals! So when you lose in Game 7 all of that stuff just multiplies. He had the chance to redeem himself in Game 7 and didn't.

And he had those games in the Olympics/World Cup that made you nervous. He seemed to always let the other team back in the game when given the chance. It happened in the 2004 World Cup with the Czechs. It happened with the Americans with a 2-0 lead in the gold medal game. He did win both times, so I'll give him that, but man did he ever give you a heart attack.
 
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To me I look at a goalie's performance on an individual level to see if he choked. Did he let in a bad untimely goal often? To me that's choking. Did he lose to a team he should have beat? Did he cough up a lead in a series? Did he play poorly in the losses? All of that leads to whether or not a goalie chokes. Cujo did have those moments in the 1st round where he was excellent, but he did lag in the later rounds and just didn't have that killer instinct in the international tournaments either. 1996 World Cup, man, you had Richter on the other end standing on his head. You have to win that game Cujo! Anyway, I think Luongo looked bad when he lost. 2009, 2010 and 2012 come to mind. Also in 2011 that Game 7 really changed the way he could have been viewed. If he gets a shutout then he has three shutouts in the Cup final and no doubt wins the Conn Smythe. It is easy to forget that the consensus going into that game was that whoever won the Cup the goalie (Tim Thomas on the other side) was going to win the Smythe. So I won't hang Luongo so badly for that one but he just looked bad in Game 7. And he looked horrible in the final games in 2009 and 2010. And while we are at it he did not have a great Cup final overall since he was pulled twice and in the game he stayed in he let in 8 goals! So when you lose in Game 7 all of that stuff just multiplies. He had the chance to redeem himself in Game 7 and didn't.

And he had those games in the Olympics/World Cup that made you nervous. He seemed to always let the other team back in the game when given the chance. It happened in the 2004 World Cup with the Czechs. It happened with the Americans with a 2-0 lead in the gold medal game. He did win both times, so I'll give him that, but man did he ever give you a heart attack.
That's true about 2010 but not 2004. Luongo came in for the semi-finals after Brodeur was the established started and played very well in a game where the Czechs outplayed Canada.
 
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That's true about 2010 but not 2004. Luongo came in for the semi-finals after Brodeur was the established started and played very well in a game where the Czechs outplayed Canada.

Just like in the 2010 gold medal game, Canada had a 2-0 lead. Two goals by the Czechs, the first one is "meh", the second one is a rebound. Okay, don't hang him on those two, but when Draper scored to give Canada the 3-2 lead the Czechs scored 6 seconds later. He did do well in overtime and Canada did win, so there's that. Ditto in 2010 though. Ryan Kesler scores a weak goal to cut the lead in half at 2-1. Then the Parise goal with 30 seconds left. Canada is in full control and that Kesler goal breathes life into an American team that did not have the stars that Canada did on their team.

All I am saying is that in a big game he made me nervous. Even Tony Esposito despite his reputation as not being a playoff goalie has the 1972 Summit Series where he did the best out of the three goalies. Luongo just made you hold your breath. He's still a HHOF goalie and such, I'm okay with that, he's too good to keep out, but when a goalie is that good he usually wins the Cup.
 

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Just like in the 2010 gold medal game, Canada had a 2-0 lead. Two goals by the Czechs, the first one is "meh", the second one is a rebound. Okay, don't hang him on those two, but when Draper scored to give Canada the 3-2 lead the Czechs scored 6 seconds later. He did do well in overtime and Canada did win, so there's that. Ditto in 2010 though. Ryan Kesler scores a weak goal to cut the lead in half at 2-1. Then the Parise goal with 30 seconds left. Canada is in full control and that Kesler goal breathes life into an American team that did not have the stars that Canada did on their team.

All I am saying is that in a big game he made me nervous. Even Tony Esposito despite his reputation as not being a playoff goalie has the 1972 Summit Series where he did the best out of the three goalies. Luongo just made you hold your breath. He's still a HHOF goalie and such, I'm okay with that, he's too good to keep out, but when a goalie is that good he usually wins the Cup.
The situations are different, namely that Canada outplayed USA in 2010 but the Czechs outplayed Canada in 2004. Luongo coming in as the surprise starter in the semi finals, into a game where Canada was actually outchanced and significantly outshot by the opposition for once, is a plus, not something to be cited as a negative. I remember Canada looking quite bad in that game. Here is an easily accessible report from the time of the semi finals:

Lecavalier was the offensive hero, but goalie Roberto Luongo, starting for the injured Martin Brodeur, earned plenty of attention as he overcame the suffocating pressure of the game, especially in the third period and early in overtime when it seemed like just a matter of time before the Czechs would win it.

In fact, moments before Lecavalier scored the winner, Luongo denied Milan Hejduk from in close, a save at one end that sparked the offensive heroics at the other. In all, Luongo made 37 saves as Canada was out-shot 40-24.

“Roberto played unbelievable,” Kris Draper said. “He was huge for us.”

He may well have been the difference on a night when Canada wasn’t very sharp in the estimation of their coach.

“We escaped,” Pat Quinn said. “I saw tentativeness in our team tonight. I’m not sure why. We sure didn’t have the focus we needed to have. We did not execute very well, but a lot of that was the play of the Czechs.

“We were fortunate to have survived,” Quinn said. “The Czechs played really well. They out-chanced us by quite a margin.”

Luongo was consistently very good to great internationally. 2010 is probably his shakiest, but he was far from bad and obviously the team did win. I can't help but think that his NHL reputation is colouring perception of his international play.

The 2004 World Cup is the most forgotten best on best tournament ever, which is not great for Luongo and Thornton as it actually gives evidence against their choker labels.
 

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Just like in the 2010 gold medal game, Canada had a 2-0 lead. Two goals by the Czechs, the first one is "meh", the second one is a rebound. Okay, don't hang him on those two, but when Draper scored to give Canada the 3-2 lead the Czechs scored 6 seconds later. He did do well in overtime and Canada did win, so there's that. Ditto in 2010 though. Ryan Kesler scores a weak goal to cut the lead in half at 2-1. Then the Parise goal with 30 seconds left. Canada is in full control and that Kesler goal breathes life into an American team that did not have the stars that Canada did on their team.

All I am saying is that in a big game he made me nervous. Even Tony Esposito despite his reputation as not being a playoff goalie has the 1972 Summit Series where he did the best out of the three goalies. Luongo just made you hold your breath. He's still a HHOF goalie and such, I'm okay with that, he's too good to keep out, but when a goalie is that good he usually wins the Cup.

five times luongo took a year off my lifespan. but first the setup:

game four vs chicago, 2009

luongo was sensational in this game, carrying a shutout into the end of the third with a 1-0 lead. less than three minutes to go, there’s a failed clear and havlat scores off the turnover, quick shot from the hash marks that a more dialed in luongo would have had. they score again early into OT and instead of being up 3-1 the series is tied. this game foreshadows everything to come over the next two absolutely bonkers years.

so the five times:

game six vs chicago, 2009

game five was another game we were ahead, before chicago tied it up late in the second, then got the winner late in the third before icing it with an empty netter. luongo really had a thing for coughing up leads in the last few minutes of a period. so game six was an elimination game, chicago had the momentum and was in luongo’s head, jumps out to a 3-1 lead by the midway pt of the second, but daniel sedin has the game of his life, keying the comeback by scoring immediately after chicago’s third goal. game is tied 3-3 going into the third and sundin scores an early one to go up 4-3. chicago ties it, then daniel scores another one on the PP to regain the lead with less than eight minutes to go in the third. then 7uongo happens. coughs up two goals in less than a minute and kane gets a late one to collect his hat trick and put the game out of reach.

semi-finals game vs slovakia, 2010 olympics

up 3-0 going into the second half of the third period, visnovsky scores to ruin the shutout, then with five minutes left handzus makes it a game. a sensational last minute save on demitra seals the win but man did he make us sweat that one out in a game we should have walked away with.

gold medal game vs usa, 2010 olympics

as we all know, luongo lets in the parise goal with under thirty seconds to go to force overtime.

game six vs chicago, 2011

i will never ever forget watching this game. after luongo had turned a 3-0 series lead into a 3-2 series, cory schneider gets the start. but schneids gets hurt in the third period when frolik can-openered him on a penalty shot to tie the game at 3-3. enter luongo. i repeat: i will never ever forget when ben smith scored late in the first overtime to force game seven. we were watching the game after thanksgiving dinner and when that goal went in nobody spoke, we just all knew it was time to go home in complete stunned silence.

game seven vs chicago, 2011

carrying a 1-0 lead into the end of the third, toews scores with under two minutes to go in the game, setting up the biggest collective exhale a city has ever had when burrows scored in OT. but at that moment when toews scored...
 

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