Lundqvist, Hagelin to Team Sweden
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DeadPuck
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It has nothing to do with Talbot playing against weaker teams, it has to do with our team playing MUCH better in front of Talbot.
Its psychology. The team knows Henrik is the backbone. They trust him implicitly, and have full confidence in him bailing them out if things go wrong. This type of mentality leads them to be more lackadaisical in their approach to certain circumstances and in those times where that happens, a breakdown occurs, causing a breakaway, a missed assignment, a 2 on 1, a 3 on 1…
When you give NHL caliber shooters HIGH quality chances, more than not they are going to bury them in the back of the net. A majority of the goals Lundqvist has given up have been exactly this.
When Talbot is in net, the team knows the 'backup' is in, and they are more aware of everything going on because the 'uncertainty' of whether or not he might bail them out forces them to play a more structured, smarter game. Scoring chances still happen obviously, and Talbot has made some great plays when that happens, thats the job of any goaltender.
A few times a year Hank will have a game like he had in Dallas earlier this year. Just complete god-mode, nothing beating him and stopping every high-quality scoring chance there is. But a majority of nights all you can ask of your goalie is to make routine saves on easy shots, and if there are high quality scoring chances to be able to bail them out if you can. Goalies are going to get beat, the key is to limit those chances where the goalie has a very low percentage chance of making a save.
I continue to quote this again and again…
"A goalie is only as good as the team in front of him." - Mike Richter
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Overall decent selections, but apart from Tallinder beating out Hedman/Brodin there is one decision that is just embarrassing: Jimmie Ericsson.
He isn't a Jönsson brother, he isn't nearly good enough to beat out guys like Hörnqvist, Johansson, Zibanejad etc. on merit. This has to have been a political decision to have an SHL player on the squad.
He isn't a Jönsson brother, he isn't nearly good enough to beat out guys like Hörnqvist, Johansson, Zibanejad etc. on merit. This has to have been a political decision to have an SHL player on the squad.
BBKers
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Yes. Disgusting political BS
Agree
Hedman/Brodin over Tallinder is just so clear
Mojo/Hörnquist/Zinbad over Erlsson is just Pejorative Slurly
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MÃ¥rts is an IDIOT
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TJ Swan like the blues Brothers days
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On the opposite side... what if its the team that gets nervous playing in front of Lundqvist? I am really just playing devils advocate I think that it is an off year for him and either later this season or next season he will go back to form and he will carry the team again.
BlueshirtBlitz
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As much as I love Lundqvist, I agree with this.
That statement is true. Most goaltenders in the NHL today are a product of the team in front of them.
Rinne, Quick, Lundqvist, Rask, Price, etc, are all vastly overpaid.
A team can win a Stanley Cup with an average goaltender, provided the GM does a good job constructing the team.
Goaltenders like Rask, Quick, Rinne, Elliot, Price, Lundqvist, this year Scrivens/Jones, Backstrom, Brodeur, etc, have all benefited from the team in front of them playing a defensive system. I think Rask is great, but his numbers are incredibly bolstered by playing with the Bruins. Scrivens/Jones aren't the two best goaltenders in the NHL. If you're a sound defensive hockey club that can limit chances, your goaltender will put up outstanding numbers.
I personally think Lundqvist earned his $6.875m in his previous contract, because from Renney, to Tortorella and now AV, Lundqvist has experienced many different systems, and he was elite for eight years, despite the team not playing very good defense in front of him for most of those seasons. He won the Vezina when Sather put together the best team in front of him. That's not coincidence. Last year he finished 2nd in Vezina voting, despite a team that played sloppy defense, because he was that good in the regular season.
Chicago is the template for success. Crawford isn't an elite goaltender, no matter how good the Chicago fans think he really is, but he is adequate enough for the team to win games and win a Stanley Cup. That's all that matters. They landed outstanding contracts with players like Kane, Toews, Hossa, Keith, etc, to all great cap hits.
Now, it also comes to the GM managing his funds. $8.5m for a goaltender might be okay if he performs at an elite level, BUT if you're paying a goaltender that much, you need to make sure the other contracts you sign pan out. There is too much dead weight with Richards eating up $6.6m, Nash getting $7.8m, and they're players not worth those cap hits. They're making more than Kane/Toews, Datsyuk/Zetterberg, and roughly the same as the Sedin twins. To me, that is poor allocation of funds.
The Bruins can afford to pay Rask a whopping cap hit of $7m because the other contracts they have are manageable and for the most part, everyone is contributing to the success of the team. There isn't much dead weight on a team like the Bruins.
Sather was smart landing McDonagh to that contract. Now, he needs to use the money that he inevitably gets from buying out Richards, to acquire a contract that pans out. And part of his job will be what to decide what to do with Callahan/Girardi. Again, if both command $6m+ cap hits, those might turn out to be contracts for the team where the funds were once again poorly allocated. Should be interesting this off season.
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Look at Russia's 4th line and 3rd defensive pairing.
I can't believe Semin didn't get selected!
DudMan28
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Im sorry, but you have absolutely no clue how the team thinks. Sounds good in theory; but your pulling things out of your ass to try and support Hank. I highly doubt mid-game players even think about who is in net. Even if they did play more relaxed in front of Hank, don't you think they would stop doing it after he continually failed to bail them out? Don't you think they would start playing more relaxed in front of the goalie who has the better record this season?
Dont want to turn this into a Hank thread so that is the only thing I will say on the matter.
Sweden has a solid mix of players all over the ice. It's going to be scary to see what they can do with even more ice. Karlsson should be real exciting to watch.
Happy that Hank and Hags made it. Both very well deserved.
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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Don't really know whether it's funny or kind of sad. Kristian Huselius was the "expert" yesterday on a live broadcast and answered questions about the rosters.
He mentioned that the Russians will be treated as kings during the Olympics and hoped that they will be able to stay focused on the tournament. He said that he has played with a lot of russians and heard stories etc and for some of the players the vodka consumtion could be a problem. Not only during the seasons also a potential problem during the Olympics..since they are heroes and big stars etc.
He pointed out that Fedor Tyutin, whilst playing together in Jackets, stunk of vodka basically every day when coming to practise. It was like fuel to him..and that he worked harder and better compared to the Days he didn't stink alcohol.
He mentioned that the Russians will be treated as kings during the Olympics and hoped that they will be able to stay focused on the tournament. He said that he has played with a lot of russians and heard stories etc and for some of the players the vodka consumtion could be a problem. Not only during the seasons also a potential problem during the Olympics..since they are heroes and big stars etc.
He pointed out that Fedor Tyutin, whilst playing together in Jackets, stunk of vodka basically every day when coming to practise. It was like fuel to him..and that he worked harder and better compared to the Days he didn't stink alcohol.
slipknottin
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No, soccer is the biggest sport in Sweden.
Though technically we are more competitive in hockey.
Desdichado93
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No, soccer is the biggest sport in Sweden.
Though technically we are more competitive in hockey.
Attendance wise football and ice hockey are equally big. However football have allot more players then ice hockey.
League statistics: http://www.svt.se/sport/fotboll/hockeyallsvenskans-arets-publikvinnare
other statistics: http://www.rf.se/Undermeny/Statistik/
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Of course that isn't entirely true, but having the team in front of him play well certainly makes a big difference. Whatever the psychology of the team, just look at the empirical evidence. How many breakaways and odd-man rushes has Hank faced? How many has Talbot? On a per game basis, Hank is facing a lot more. Regardless of the reason, the team is playing better defensively in front of Talbot than they are in front of Hank.
