Prospect Info: Luke Tuch
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Doubt he goes that way. This regime really has the big pictures in mind, they not gonna keep Savard or Armia or Dvorak if they in the hunt in one while having a 1st, two 2nds and a 3rd on the table for the aforementioned in the other hand.
Day after trade deadline, a combination of Guhle, Mailloux, Struble and/or Barron will be manning that right side
Well which ones or those? lol
salbutera
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Gorton said at golf tourney last week, they’re loaded w picks and see more value in pending UFA vets helping younger players maneuver through March / April meaningful hockey vs exchanging them for draft picks
IMO Hughes and Gorton hold Savard in very high regard, because it involves breaking in Hutson at NHL level.
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Can't help the young players if the young players can't play though. If they think Kapanen is ready then they have to move Dvorak. If they think Heineman is ready then they have to move Armia. People read too much into that like they did last year with Monahan. KH and Gorton will do what is logical to do. If 20 games less of Armia and Dvorak means our kids will bust then our kids would have busted anyway. KH will grab the picks if there's picks to be grabbed i'd bet my house on it.
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We'll see but i think you'll be surprised. I think Armia and Dvorak wont be here after the TDL. Maybe Evans too. Savard not sure but it's possible it depends how well Reinbacher and Mailloux do.
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WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
It all depends - if Owen Beck is dominating Laval and is NHL ready, then the argument is that trading Dvorak and getting an asset for him and promoting Beck still promotes a playoff push this year and while advancing the development for future years by getting that experience now.
From what we've seen from the management group, they won't move on a prospect too fast if they don't need to. Gorton even said it on Overdrive, no one ever really got hurt from simmering a little bit longer, but some players have been hurt by being brought up too soon.
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Dvorak is not the difference between fighting for a playoffs spot or not. The guy has made the playoffs once in career. In fact he is the opposite. If you want to fight for a playoffs spot he is one of the the first guys you upgrade by a kid. Making the playoffs will come from upgrading our vets by kids not the opposite. Let's not repeat the same mistake of the last 30 years. Our bottom 6 sucks. It's bad. And it wont help make the playoffs as it is.
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As WTK posted above, if Beck is NHL ready then I agree Dvo will get moved, if Beck is deemed not ready, then won’t be moved because they need his face off prowess, PK & defensive calmness at C when game intensity picks up and finer details matter more
IMO Habs at the moment have the deepest bottom-6 in the division
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WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
I would debate that.. Kapanen has fantastic pro habits and his game offensively is different than Beck and something I do think we lack.
Kapanen can deflect pucks with the best of them, is deadly around the net in both scoring and passing.
Beck is more of a distance shooter.
I think Kapanen would really improve the PP, he could be the bumper on unit 1 or 2. I'd like to see them give him that shot in one of the final pre-season games before they make a final decision.
Frankenheimer
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My initial post was this :
I mean it's verbatim
Of course I'd rather see Kapanen than Dvo, but I see no advantage to doing so right now. Kap can play another year of pro in Europe, and Dvo can see out his contract. He has little trade value right now.
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On average it takes around two to three years of NHL experience before becoming NHL "ready" (200 feet game, faceoffs, experience in tough games, ...). There's definitely value in giving Kapanen one of those years now.
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Should Beck be called up, it would be on the basis he can replace Dvo’s capabilities on the defensive side of the game IMO - PK, face offs etc..
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Ahhh he's just saying what's gotta be said bud
Everyone knows Demidov is on that 2nd line next year
These guys are transparent and what Gorton said makes sense with a management that sees us coming out of the rebuld. If Savard gets us a 2nd or late 1st maybe they say heck with it and think there's more value in breaking in the young guys and so they resign Savard to a 2 year deal.
We have 2 vet Dmen, that's it. Everybody else is at 2 years or less experience at the NHL level. Two vet Dmen stabilize the top 2 pairings and maybe you trust the 3rd pairing to 2 responsible youg guys. So Matheson, Savard, Guhle, Xhekaj, Struble, Hutson and Engstrom ? I would rather Mailloux play all the time, Reinbacher as well.
Development is key right now.
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I think Evans is in short term bigger danger than Dvorak for the simple fact that Kapanen is a RHS and Evans too.
Dvorak our only C who is LHS.
Well, either way, both are not there next year imo
By ditching Dvorak for Kapanen. We would only have 3 LHS in our forward group. Newhook, Slafkovsky and Roy. I think this imbalance may be a problem.
Another option would be to bring up Heineman AND Kapanen and ditch both Evans and Dvorak.
That would be a gain of size and speed and would keep the current fragile equilibrium of LHS/RHS intact.
I hope management will prioritize giving room to these young, useful bottom sixer over maximizing fringe value to some useless deadwood.
Dvorak our only C who is LHS.
Well, either way, both are not there next year imo
By ditching Dvorak for Kapanen. We would only have 3 LHS in our forward group. Newhook, Slafkovsky and Roy. I think this imbalance may be a problem.
Another option would be to bring up Heineman AND Kapanen and ditch both Evans and Dvorak.
That would be a gain of size and speed and would keep the current fragile equilibrium of LHS/RHS intact.
I hope management will prioritize giving room to these young, useful bottom sixer over maximizing fringe value to some useless deadwood.
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I don't think Hughes is going to be rushed into any transaction. While I'm sure he would like greater success in this coming season, I suspect that he can readily stomach another marginal season if that conforms to his long term re-construction plan. Rather than prematurely elevating borderline prospects, I think Hughes will be more focused on prudently shedding those overpaid, underperforming veterans who are currently consuming so much of the team's cap space. If the right deal is there, Hughes will act. If not, he'll rightfully take a pass.
It depends on the take, I guess. Heineman and Barron have looked much better so far, as have some forgotten guys like Trudeau. On the other hand the level of play this early in the year, when most players are rusty and most of the guys with guaranteed spots aren't pushing, may be contributing; even Hayes looked good in the first game. It would be a nice change to see the guys fighting for a spot actually look like they want the spot even if the level of play is low. There have been many years where spots were potentially open and all the contenders played like they wanted to be in Laval or Trois Riviere.
If the brain trust is really sure these guys aren't going to turn it around then, sure, they should get whatever they can for them. If they don't believe these guys will break out and someone else does, then fine, get some value. They'd have to get something significant back, though.
With Kovacevic and Harris they were pretty sure of the player ceilings and there was a shortage of roster spots. Harris may have been undervalued, but it's pretty clear Hughes is aiming for a defence where pretty much everyone either has some major standout qualities or size and physicality, while Harris was quietly effective and Kovacevic was older and lower on the depth chart. It's not that they shouldn't move any of the current guys, just that there is still a fair possibility that both end up better than the other options, and worth more than other teams are likely to be willing to give up now.
Hughes is getting to the tough part of the rebuild. If he evaluates the prospects correctly, fits the right ones in the right roles, and gets something back for the busts it will help a lot. Dumping someone and finding out later that they become what Devon Toews is now will really not help the rebuild.
Pezzetta is marginal, Dvorak should be traded. Beck is not ready. Neither is Tuch.
However, Evans is not deadwood. Neither is Armia. Gallagher scored 16 goals last year. Anderson looks motivated.
