Luke Hughes has taken a massive step forward

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Homer thread, I know, but this kid has been absolutely lights out this year, despite missing camp and the first few weeks of the season with an injury. It might not be noticeable to folks checking boxscores, but his defensive game has grown leaps and bounds over the summer, after finishing his rookie season on a downward defensive trend. This season, on any given night, it's a good bet that he'll be the Devils best defensive player.

He's had entire games where he's patrolled and controlled the defensive zone like a young Jaccob Slavin - it's uncanny how much he's resembled Slavin at times with his reach, skating ability, smarts, and physicality. He's obviously not there yet, but he's showing a much higher defensive ceiling than I ever expected.

For the better part of the past month he's been one of the best all around 5v5 dmen in the league, with a 67.8% expected goal share in his last 10 games, and a league leading 2.13 expected goal differential/60 in that span.

And in the last handful of games, he's taken his game to a level beyond even that. The elite defensive play and shot suppression metrics have been great, but what's really starting to show is his offensive potential. In the last few games he's increasingly looked like his older brother in the offensive zone, which is a scary thought for a guy with his size, reach, and maturing defensive play. Since Nov 12th, he ranks 1st in xGF/60 (4.04), 1st in rel xGF/60 (+1.7) and 1st in xG% (67.8%) among the ~170 dmen with >100 5v5 mins.

Stat watchers may think he's regressed offensively, but look at the improvement in his underlying numbers:

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And now that his on ice sh% is starting to recover (after a sub 2% on ice sh% through his first 9-10 games), he's starting to pile up points, with 7 points in his last 9 games despite minimal PP time. His 5v5 on ice sh% is still pitifully low at 5.0%, so we should expect to see continued upwards movement.

It wouldn't shock me to see him to break 45-50 points this year, even with 2nd PP duties and missing 9 games. Devils need to lock him up now before he gets too expensive.
 

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Looking at his game score development, he was averaging around 0 until November 21 or so, and since then has moved to average +3 or so. Would we invalidate 75% of the current season to solely focus on the past few games? That sounds like recency bias to me.

Essentially, you're focusing on a clear peak and assuming that it's the result of improvement, instead of being a result of variance—a hot streak.
 

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Looking at his game score development, he was averaging around 0 until November 21 or so, and since then has moved to average +3 or so. Would we invalidate 75% of the current season to solely focus on the past few games? That sounds like recency bias to me.

Essentially, you're focusing on a clear peak and assuming that it's the result of improvement, instead of being a result of variance—a hot streak.
Lol, I remember that username. Anyway, Luke spent a good chunk of the season with like 2% of shots going in when he was on the ice. Obviously a “gamescore” type of stat will be influenced by the puck not going in.

He’s been nothing short of fantastic of late. This isn’t a hot streak, he is now a great defender. The offense has always been there, anyone with eyes could see that. It’s actually hard to believe how well his defense has developed in such a short time.
 

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Everybody knows he can skate, which covers a lot of flaws, and he’s a Hughes so he thinks the game at a high level.

But what has really impressed me this year is his stick work. Both on the boards and in open ice, he’s been very impressive in breaking up plays and retrieving pucks. Single most noticeable improvement to my eyes.
 
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Looking at his game score development, he was averaging around 0 until November 21 or so, and since then has moved to average +3 or so.
Well he had a 1.43 on ice sh% and 935 PDO through his first 10 games, which is an incredibly cold spell that would tank anyone's game score:

During his first 10 games at 5v5:
  • 1GF vs 6.0 xGF
  • -4 goal differential vs +0.3 expected goal differential
Would we invalidate 75% of the current season to solely focus on the past few games? That sounds like recency bias to me.
I think there is something to be said for giving a young defenseman who is returning from an offseason injury 5-10 games to get settled in, especially when they are playing for a new coach, in a new system, with a new D partner, all without the benefit of training camp. And it's probably even harder to make that adjustment when said D partner is brand new to the team and is also returning from an offseason injury at the exact same time.

Both Hughes and Pesce were playing very tentative/conservative hockey in their first handful of games, which is to be expected given the above.
Essentially, you're focusing on a clear peak and assuming that it's the result of improvement, instead of being a result of variance—a hot streak.

During this "hot streak" over the last 9 games at 5v5:
  • 7GF vs 10.6 xGF
  • +5 goal differential vs +5.5 expected goal differential
Hard to call that a hot streak.... he's just playing really freakin good.

I don't expect him to be a 68% xG guy, but he's currently leading the team with a 60.5% for the season. Among the 15 devils skaters >300 mins, he's:

1st in GA/60
1st in CA/60
1st in FA/60
1st in SA/60
3rd in xGA/60

He's been a rock defensively. And offensively he's starting to cook. And he's due for continued regression upward - on the season he's been on for only 8GF with a+1 differential at 5v5 (5.0 oish%), while his expected goal numbers would have him at 17GF and +6 differential.

It's also worth noting that this streak of dominant play has been against a pretty tough schedule:

@ FLA
@ FLA
@ TB
CAR
@ WSH
NSH
STL
@ DET
WSH
@ NYR

Every knows he can skate, which covers a lot of flaws, and he’s a Hughes so he thinks the game at a high level.

But what has really impressed me this year is his stick work. Both on the boards and in open ice, he’s been very impressive in breaking up plays and retrieving pucks. Single most noticeable improvement to my eyes.
His stickwork and net front defensive battles & positioning are the biggest improvements, agreed. He's been so strong on pucks around the net and in the corners, and has done a great job not getting caught in no man's land. You can tell he hit the gym hard this summer, he looks so much bigger and more solid on his feet.
 
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Pretty impressive. He’s already a significantly better defender than Quinn was in his own zone at the same age. Obviously Quinn has had much more brutal teams and team defense around him but it sure seems Luke’s defensive awareness is already growing at a much more exponential rate. The size advantage certainly plays a big part.
 

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Does this coincide with Pesce coming back from injury and being paired with Pesce?

Not taking anything away from Hughes as he is very talented. When NJ signed Pesce, I thought he was a perfect fit to compliment the guys they had. A defense first, responsible defenseman that allows his partner some freedom to play their games and cover mistakes.

IMO, he's a big reason Skjei had such success in Carolina and Skjei even said so that (paraphrasing) he knew Pesce had his back so he could be more free to play his game and take more chances.
 
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Does this coincide with Pesce coming back from injury and being paired with Pesce?

Not taking anything away from Hughes as he is very talented. When NJ signed Pesce, I thought he was a perfect fit to compliment the guys they had. A defense first, responsible defenseman that allows his partner some freedom to play their games and cover mistakes.

IMO, he's a big reason Skjei had such success in Carolina and Skjei even said so that (paraphrasing) he knew Pesce had his back so he could be more free to play his game and take more chances.

Both Luke and Pesce came back the exact time from injury and have pretty much been glued together since game 1. Pesce has definitely been a major help and influence, but I wouldn’t necessarily say it’s caused Luke to play more freely. If anything, Luke is probably playing a little more conservative than last year and picking his spots really well. It’s clear he’s making a conscious effort to improve defensively and I’m sure Pesce is helping to mentor in that aspect. If he does press for offensive, I’m sure it also doesn’t hurt knowing Pesce is back there to cover too.
 

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Does this coincide with Pesce coming back from injury and being paired with Pesce?

Not taking anything away from Hughes as he is very talented. When NJ signed Pesce, I thought he was a perfect fit to compliment the guys they had. A defense first, responsible defenseman that allows his partner some freedom to play their games and cover mistakes.

IMO, he's a big reason Skjei had such success in Carolina and Skjei even said so that (paraphrasing) he knew Pesce had his back so he could be more free to play his game and take more chances.
I mean judging from the statistical data above it seems to suggest Luke is holding his own rather than being carried. In fact, he’s probably the one doing more of the heavy lifting as of late.
 

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I mean judging from the statistical data above it seems to suggest Luke is holding his own rather than being carried. In fact, he’s probably the one doing more of the heavy lifting as of late.
Oh, I wasn't trying to suggest he was being carried by any means.

I'm only suggesting that having a solid partner allows a young player to "play his game" knowing that he can rely on a steady partner. IIRC, the statistical data never supported that Pesce was carrying Skjei either, just that he was a great partner for Skjei that allowed him more freedom to play to his strengths.

The moment NJ signed Pesce I thought it was perfect for them.
 
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Oh, I wasn't trying to suggest he was being carried by any means.

I'm only suggesting that having a solid partner allows a young player to "play his game" knowing that he can rely on a steady partner. IIRC, the statistical data never supported that Pesce was carrying Skjei either, just that he was a great partner for Skjei that allowed him more freedom to play to his strengths.

The moment NJ signed Pesce I thought it was perfect for them.
It’s definitely a great fit. He’s really solid in front of the net, especially compared to Marino. That’s likely a big reason why they moved on from him and went with Pesce. And Luke’s foot speed really helps clean up for Pesce’s lack of speed.
 

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He looks absolutely outstanding imo but didn't seem to be able to finish his plays offensively (against Detroit). I think his shot could use some work, and the zero goals on the season would suggest that with some of the looks he has been able to create for himself. But yes he's very underrated defensively and the offensive production should come soon. Amazing player.
 

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Does this coincide with Pesce coming back from injury and being paired with Pesce?

Not taking anything away from Hughes as he is very talented. When NJ signed Pesce, I thought he was a perfect fit to compliment the guys they had. A defense first, responsible defenseman that allows his partner some freedom to play their games and cover mistakes.

IMO, he's a big reason Skjei had such success in Carolina and Skjei even said so that (paraphrasing) he knew Pesce had his back so he could be more free to play his game and take more chances.
They came back at the same time. But not having Brendan Smith as a Partner has helped of course.

That said Luke look a ton better defensively. He is eliminating a lot of rush plays with his skating, positioning, and stick play and moving the puck efficiently. The points aren’t there because he’s on PP2 and the Devils top unit so far has been so good he isn’t getting those opportunities. But he’s been the Devils beat all around defensemen this year IMO.
 

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Turns out on-ice sh% tends to regress toward the mean. That's not to say he hasn't taken a big step forward in recent weeks, just more so that his underlying numbers indicated that he would do a lot better 5v5 throughout the season than he did early on in terms of GF/GA.
 

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He’s been the best player on the team the last 10 games since they went down to Florida and more often that not he’s been the best player in each game. Probably the best player in like at least 6 or 7 games of that stretch. He’s dominating the game at both ends. It seemed like earlier in the year he was super focused on getting his defensive game down because the offense was basically nonexistent. Recently though he’s been an elite two way force
 

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Turns out on-ice sh% tends to regress toward the mean. That's not to say he hasn't taken a big step forward in recent weeks, just more so that his underlying numbers indicated that he would do a lot better 5v5 throughout the season than he did early on in terms of GF/GA.

Yeah obviously only 0.4 GF/60 on an xGF/60 of 1.97 through his first 9 games was bound to regress but also that’s a really bad xGF/60 and watching him he wasn’t creating any offense either. He had the 3rd worst on the team only above Pesce and Nemec. In the 10 games since he has a 4.04 xGF/60 which leads the team. Still though he only has a 7% oiSH% and only 2.42 GF/60. The puck still hasn’t really been going for him despite dominating games

Over those 10 games his xGA/60 also improved. It was already great at 2.11. It’s now been 1.92. His 4.04 xGF/60 the last 10 leads the league. His xGF% of 67.76 is only every so slightly behind Barkov for the league lead
 

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Well he had a 1.43 on ice sh% and 935 PDO through his first 10 games, which is an incredibly cold spell that would tank anyone's game score:

During his first 10 games at 5v5:
  • 1GF vs 6.0 xGF
  • -4 goal differential vs +0.3 expected goal differential

I think there is something to be said for giving a young defenseman who is returning from an offseason injury 5-10 games to get settled in, especially when they are playing for a new coach, in a new system, with a new D partner, all without the benefit of training camp. And it's probably even harder to make that adjustment when said D partner is brand new to the team and is also returning from an offseason injury at the exact same time.

Both Hughes and Pesce were playing very tentative/conservative hockey in their first handful of games, which is to be expected given the above.


During this "hot streak" over the last 9 games at 5v5:
  • 7GF vs 10.6 xGF
  • +5 goal differential vs +5.5 expected goal differential
Hard to call that a hot streak.... he's just playing really freakin good.

I don't expect him to be a 68% xG guy, but he's currently leading the team with a 60.5% for the season. Among the 15 devils skaters >300 mins, he's:

1st in GA/60
1st in CA/60
1st in FA/60
1st in SA/60
3rd in xGA/60

He's been a rock defensively. And offensively he's starting to cook. And he's due for continued regression upward - on the season he's been on for only 8GF with a+1 differential at 5v5 (5.0 oish%), while his expected goal numbers would have him at 17GF and +6 differential.

It's also worth noting that this streak of dominant play has been against a pretty tough schedule:

@ FLA
@ FLA
@ TB
CAR
@ WSH
NSH
STL
@ DET
WSH
@ NYR


His stickwork and net front defensive battles & positioning are the biggest improvements, agreed. He's been so strong on pucks around the net and in the corners, and has done a great job not getting caught in no man's land. You can tell he hit the gym hard this summer, he looks so much bigger and more solid on his feet.
Well, perhaps you're right about this. His QoT is the strongest on the team out of all defensemen, though, and his QoC is the weakest, meaning he gets the most sheltered minutes of all 6 defensemen, at least in theory. I've not validated the effect these have, but somehow, my vibe is to at least be moderately skeptical at this point.

Now, I'm not saying he's been bad by any means. But I'll wait for more evidence before declaring him to be, say, close to his older brother.
 

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Every knows he can skate, which covers a lot of flaws, and he’s a Hughes so he thinks the game at a high level.

But what has really impressed me this year is his stick work. Both on the boards and in open ice, he’s been very impressive in breaking up plays and retrieving pucks. Single most noticeable improvement to my eyes.
I was watching the Detroit feed on Friday, I thought it was interesting when they mentioned he leads the league in stick checks!
 

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Well, perhaps you're right about this. His QoT is the strongest on the team out of all defensemen, though, and his QoC is the weakest, meaning he gets the most sheltered minutes of all 6 defensemen, at least in theory. I've not validated the effect these have, but somehow, my vibe is to at least be moderately skeptical at this point.

Now, I'm not saying he's been bad by any means. But I'll wait for more evidence before declaring him to be, say, close to his older brother.
Well, perhaps you're right about this. His QoT is the strongest on the team out of all defensemen, though, and his QoC is the weakest, meaning he gets the most sheltered minutes of all 6 defensemen, at least in theory. I've not validated the effect these have, but somehow, my vibe is to at least be moderately skeptical at this point.

Now, I'm not saying he's been bad by any means. But I'll wait for more evidence before declaring him to be, say, close to his older brother.
Genuine question, where are you getting the stats for his QoC and QoT? I can never seem to find it. And how is it calculated?

Looking at his opposition for these past 10 games or so (I assume he was sheltered coming back from injury so I haven't looked that far back) a fair amount of his TOI seems to be against the top two lines and he doesn't seem to get a lot more O zone starts than anyone else.

To be honest from what I can see none of the devils d are particularly sheltered, Siegenthaler and Kovacevic are getting slightly harder assignments but not insanely so.
 

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Well he had a 1.43 on ice sh% and 935 PDO through his first 10 games, which is an incredibly cold spell that would tank anyone's game score:

During his first 10 games at 5v5:
  • 1GF vs 6.0 xGF
  • -4 goal differential vs +0.3 expected goal differential

I think there is something to be said for giving a young defenseman who is returning from an offseason injury 5-10 games to get settled in, especially when they are playing for a new coach, in a new system, with a new D partner, all without the benefit of training camp. And it's probably even harder to make that adjustment when said D partner is brand new to the team and is also returning from an offseason injury at the exact same time.

Both Hughes and Pesce were playing very tentative/conservative hockey in their first handful of games, which is to be expected given the above.


During this "hot streak" over the last 9 games at 5v5:
  • 7GF vs 10.6 xGF
  • +5 goal differential vs +5.5 expected goal differential
Hard to call that a hot streak.... he's just playing really freakin good.

I don't expect him to be a 68% xG guy, but he's currently leading the team with a 60.5% for the season. Among the 15 devils skaters >300 mins, he's:

1st in GA/60
1st in CA/60
1st in FA/60
1st in SA/60
3rd in xGA/60

He's been a rock defensively. And offensively he's starting to cook. And he's due for continued regression upward - on the season he's been on for only 8GF with a+1 differential at 5v5 (5.0 oish%), while his expected goal numbers would have him at 17GF and +6 differential.

It's also worth noting that this streak of dominant play has been against a pretty tough schedule:

@ FLA
@ FLA
@ TB
CAR
@ WSH
NSH
STL
@ DET
WSH
@ NYR


His stickwork and net front defensive battles & positioning are the biggest improvements, agreed. He's been so strong on pucks around the net and in the corners, and has done a great job not getting caught in no man's land. You can tell he hit the gym hard this summer, he looks so much bigger and more solid on his feet.
He's doing everything better than he did last season. His defensive awareness and decisiveness have probably improved the most among his skills. He's starting to become a bit more confident with the puck on offense so the points should continue. He and Pesce have really complemented each other.
 
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