McFlyingV
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Holy hyperbole.Welllllllllll, probably shouldn't be at this point.
Holy hyperbole.Welllllllllll, probably shouldn't be at this point.
Dead wrong about that. His worst season was this past one. 34 points.
Yeah, well he also gets massive money and played with McDavid for stretches, so that ain't saying much. He is in his 30's, plays very physically (many stupid plays,) and is slow, these kind of players very often age quickly and become even less productive.
Burying Smith brings his contract from 4.3 to 3.3. Saves you a million.
I don't blame you for not wanting to take on Smith's deal, but, at the same time, Smith's deal is both shorter and cheaper. Don't get me wrong--the 10th would be overpayment.
Lucic has 5 more years. Smith has 3 at a lower hit. If Lucic is managing 30 points today playing with top-tier players, I don't see that improving over the next 5 with a $6 million hit. To be fair, unless Smith gets his head out of his ass, I don't see him improving either.
As a fan of a rebuilding Rangers team, I would want nothing to do with Lucic, but if we're taking him, I'd want more than a b prospect because that contract will affect us in future signings (indepenednt of his value).
Being overpaid and having a brutal year doesn't mean Milan Lucic isn't an NHLer anymore. Give your head a shake.
Lucic is a better player than Smith, even with his terrible play after Christmas. To me the cap hit disparity is offset by the fact that Lucic is still an NHLer and can contribute and Smith played so badly he lost his job on a blue line that is middling at best.
As for cap hit, I’m pretty sure you’re fine there. You have 30 mil in space going into next season, 40 the season after that and outside of Skjei/Hayes I don’t think any of your RFA’s are commanding big raises.
No. Lucic's contract sucks far worse than Smith's. Smith will either rebound or be in the AHL. Doesn't matter much either way while we are rebuilding. I want no part of Lucic for the next 5 years. If it were 2-3 years, fine, but I want to be able to compete again before too long.
This^.
There is a bribe big enough that you can overpay to change our minds, but it must be substantial.
This is the new NHL.
Cap is a premium.
It is expensive.
You want it, you pay, and it's not cheap.
As that relates here:
Smith has 3 years at 4.35
Lucic has 5 at 6.0
that much is clear and the numbers don't lie
So it is 1.65 x 3 + 6.0 x 2.
I see that as 10OA this year for one 6.0 year
and Poolparty for another
I'm not throwing in the other 3 years at 1.65, but that could be 3 3rds unless other compensation is agreed upon. Since you would be giving up 10OA this year, I would relent for those 3 3rds to start next year, 2019, 20 and '21.
Smith MUST be included in this deal.
Staal is based here, and going to OTT which is close to his roots is a thought. But he is not a fit to EDM. Also, after this season Staal becomes much better buyout option if we go there.
Yes, lets.
Lucic still has like 4 years left at 6M. He scored 34 points in 82 games playing over half of the time with either Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl, or both. His game is of the variety that it's just going to keep getting worse (as he ages and gets dinged up more).
Vesey's contract is up and he's an RFA that's scored ~25 points the last couple years. He'll get about 4M less per year than Lucic and he actually still has the potential to improve as he gets out of the NYR's doghouse fourth line.
This^.
There is a bribe big enough that you can overpay to change our minds, but it must be substantial.
This is the new NHL.
Cap is a premium.
It is expensive.
You want it, you pay, and it's not cheap.
As that relates here:
Smith has 3 years at 4.35
Lucic has 5 at 6.0
that much is clear and the numbers don't lie
So it is 1.65 x 3 + 6.0 x 2.
I see that as 10OA this year for one 6.0 year
and Poolparty for another
I'm not throwing in the other 3 years at 1.65, but that could be 3 3rds unless other compensation is agreed upon. Since you would be giving up 10OA this year, I would relent for those 3 3rds to start next year, 2019, 20 and '21.
Smith MUST be included in this deal.
Staal is based here, and going to OTT which is close to his roots is a thought. But he is not a fit to EDM. Also, after this season Staal becomes much better buyout option if we go there.
Wrong He played with RNH for the first 1/2 of the year and then with Strome . He also has 5 years left at 4.5 as of July 1st . Nice try but you failed just like this guy failed
Vesey is a hack
You want us to give you Lucic + Puljujarvi + 10 OA for Smith?This^.
There is a bribe big enough that you can overpay to change our minds, but it must be substantial.
This is the new NHL.
Cap is a premium.
It is expensive.
You want it, you pay, and it's not cheap.
As that relates here:
Smith has 3 years at 4.35
Lucic has 5 at 6.0
that much is clear and the numbers don't lie
So it is 1.65 x 3 + 6.0 x 2.
I see that as 10OA this year for one 6.0 year
and Poolparty for another
I'm not throwing in the other 3 years at 1.65, but that could be 3 3rds unless other compensation is agreed upon. Since you would be giving up 10OA this year, I would relent for those 3 3rds to start next year, 2019, 20 and '21.
Smith MUST be included in this deal.
Staal is based here, and going to OTT which is close to his roots is a thought. But he is not a fit to EDM. Also, after this season Staal becomes much better buyout option if we go there.
he's a hack?
No, he has 5 years left at 6. Cash doesn't ****ing matter when it's really Lucic's cap hit that makes the deal so terrible.
And is this wrong then?
Milan Lucic - Full Stats, Line Combos and Game Logs
53.9% of the time at ES was with McDavid.
56.4% of PP time was with McDavid.
He did play with Strome and RNH at about 15% of the time each. But he played with McDavid for more time than with those two guys combined.
Yeah. Wouldn't be surprised if he's out of the league in a couple years or less.
Yikes is a huge overreaction to saying Vesey sucks which most people would probably agree with
I don't see how a 2nd year player that scored 17 goals sucks. Even if he doesn't turn out to be some 25-30 goal scorer, he's still a useful bottom-6 player.
If you think me saying something like yikes to calling a player like Vesey a hack is a "huge overreaction" then you might want to re-evaluate things.
"2nd year player". Lol. The dude is 25 years old...not 19 or 20.
He's really not a good bottom 6 player. Idk what you're watching. Most posters on HFNYR don't think he's s great all around player. It's why he's sheltered, has nothing to do with the coach.
Plenty of players have scored 17+ goals at his age and disappeared from the league shortly after. Means jack.
How many players in this league score more than 17 goals playing primarily bottom-6 minutes? He's not a great all-around player but he's getting better and I said useful bottom-6 player, which is far from the term "hack."
I get it, you don't like the guy, you don't have to and I'm not trying to change your mind on that. Quite frankly I don't care one way or the other. However, the term that was used is "hack."
He's not a hack. A hack wouldn't even be playing in the NHL.
I'm glad those 17 goals meant nothing to you. They meant something to the Rangers though. If you're expecting him to disappear, you might be holding your breath for a while.
Well, describing a 25 year old as a 2nd year player seems disinegenious. Implies he has a lot of room to grow when he really doesn't. He's probably close to or at his peak as a player based on what we know about age and performance curves. Could he be a rare late bloomer, maybe but highly unlikely.
2nd, when you dig deeper and see that he hardly averages 1.5 shots per game so far in his career it makes you wonder how sustainable 17 goals a year is for the guy. He's going to have to consistently shoot several ticks above league average.
3rd, when you look at what happens when he's on the ice when he isn't scoring. Shots and scoring chances against vs for, who's driving the play, you see why he get's sheltered. He can hurt your team if you don't shelter him because he really isn't a great player.
I won't get into the semantics of 'being a hack' with you but I don't really see him as a part of the core going forward or as an impact player in this league unless he gets a lot better basically.