Value of: Lucic, Sekera, & 10th pick to create cap space?

[Habs Halifax]

Lucic (5 more years at $6M, age 30-34)

Sekera (3 more years at $5.5M, Age 32-34)

What kind of moves do the Oilers want to make and how much cap space to they have?

- Currently 16 players signed with $15M in cap space ($80M cap)

- RFA's to sign: Nurse, Strome, Benning, Slepyshev, Pakarinen, Caggiula. After these guys are signed, it's likely looks like 22 players signed with very little cap space left. Maybe $2M +/- ?

- UFA's: Cammy, Auvito

If a team is willing to absorb the Lucic and Sekera contracts, what kind of package do teams offer the Oilers if they add the 10th pick? This could return a player they can use to build a winner and much needed cap space in the process.

Is this of any interest from the Oilers perspective?

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[BringBackLibertys]

That is $12 million a year in Cap space. I would guess on this forum most people would tell you the Oilers would have to add to the 10OA or take back a bad contract to do it....

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Sekera struggled with injuries, but he's still a solid defenseman IMO and worth his cap hit.

The real problem though is that even IF the Oilers wanted to move them (and I'm not sure they do), both Sekera and Lucic chose to sign in Edmonton and both have a full NMC for this year. I doubt they are waiving it to go anywhere, much less to a bad team.

 

[Habs Halifax]

That is $12 million a year in Cap space. I would guess on this forum most people would tell you the Oilers would have to add to the 10OA or take back a bad contract to do it....

From the Habs perspective, I would be willing to take on the bad contracts and offer Patch and other pieces. My initial offer would be Patch, Lindgren, Schlemko, and a 2nd round pick. In this deal, the Oilers save almost $5M in cap space. Puts them at 16 players signed with $20M in cap space. Gives them a lot of wiggle room to make other moves to improve their roster.

Guys like JVR, De Haan, Kovalchuk, Grabner.

Not sure Bergevin makes a move like this but I prefer the Habs to target futures and we have tons of cap space. So adding Lucic and Sekera is no big deal for us. The value for the Habs is the 10th pick.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Sekera struggled with injuries, but he's still a solid defenseman IMO and worth his cap hit.

The real problem though is that even IF the Oilers wanted to move them (and I'm not sure they do), both Sekera and Lucic chose to sign in Edmonton and both have a full NMC for this year. I doubt they are waiving it to go anywhere, much less to a bad team.

I agree about Sekera but it's hard to say how he rebounds. I knew Lucic had a NMC but did not about Sekera. Lucic was interested in joining Gallagher and Weber prior to signing with the Oilers. He might waive his NMC. Not sure about Sekera. I added Schlemko in the deal from the Habs cause he could be a good 3rd pairing guy that does a lot of things well.

Another option is Patch (pre-negioated contract extension) and another piece for Lucic and the 10th pick. Doesn't save the Oilers cap space but they get an upgrade with Patch who skates very well, plays a 200' game, and has a great NHL shot with a quick release while unloading Lucic who has skating concerns in a game that is getting faster.

 

[Notsince67]

Sekera struggled with injuries, but he's still a solid defenseman IMO and worth his cap hit.

The real problem though is that even IF the Oilers wanted to move them (and I'm not sure they do), both Sekera and Lucic chose to sign in Edmonton and both have a full NMC for this year. I doubt they are waiving it to go anywhere, much less to a bad team.

yikes

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I agree about Sekera but it's hard to say how he rebounds. I knew Lucic had a NMC but did not about Sekera.

Lucic's is a full NMC for the next 3 seasons then goes to an 8-10 team (that he can be traded to) NTC/Modified NMC in June 2021.
Sekera's is a full NMC for this coming season, then goes to a 15 team (that he can be traded to) NTC starting next season.

 

[Benstheman]

I'd do Pacioretty and a 2nd for Sekera and 10OA.

 

[shortfuze]

From the Habs perspective, I would be willing to take on the bad contracts and offer Patch and other pieces. My initial offer would be Patch, Lindgren, Schlemko, and a 2nd round pick. In this deal, the Oilers save almost $5M in cap space. Puts them at 16 players signed with $20M in cap space. Gives them a lot of wiggle room to make other moves to improve their roster.

Guys like JVR, De Haan, Kovalchuk, Grabner.

Not sure Bergevin makes a move like this but I prefer the Habs to target futures and we have tons of cap space. So adding Lucic and Sekera is no big deal for us. The value for the Habs is the 10th pick.

You’d take on the bad contracts and STILL add patches in the deal? I think the deal would be without patches included.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You’d take on the bad contracts and STILL add patches in the deal? I think the deal would be without patches included.

I don't think the Oilers make the move then. Lucic and Sekera are not Gomez type bad contracts. They still are capable of doing good things but they are well overpaid. I'd be willing to figure out what it takes to get the 10th pick. Maybe Lucic, Sekera, 10th pick for Patch straight up is fair.

 

[Roof Daddy]

I'd do Pacioretty and a 2nd for Sekera and 10OA.

That sounds fair, but I don’t see Sekera waiving.

 

[Benstheman]

That sounds fair, but I don’t see Sekera waiving.

Yeah probably not.

 

[LAKings88]

Too much salary to move in one trade.

Two trades that LA should have never made lol.

I like the players but they are overpaid.

 

[Hostile Offer]

From the Habs perspective, I would be willing to take on the bad contracts and offer Patch and other pieces. My initial offer would be Patch, Lindgren, Schlemko, and a 2nd round pick. In this deal, the Oilers save almost $5M in cap space. Puts them at 16 players signed with $20M in cap space. Gives them a lot of wiggle room to make other moves to improve their roster.

Guys like JVR, De Haan, Kovalchuk, Grabner.

Not sure Bergevin makes a move like this but I prefer the Habs to target futures and we have tons of cap space. So adding Lucic and Sekera is no big deal for us. The value for the Habs is the 10th pick.

Patches, Lindgren, Schlemko, 2nd rounder for Lucic, Sekera, 10OA? You gotta be kidding me dude...

 

[TFHockey]

Edmonton will just have to bite the bullet on Lucic and hope he changes his game enough to be useful again.

Sekera *should* bounce back after his injury. He was our best defenseman in 2016-17 and our worst in 2017-18. If he returns to 30+ point form he is worth his contract. If not, buy out candidate in the next few years.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Patches, Lindgren, Schlemko, 2nd rounder for Lucic, Sekera, 10OA? You gotta be kidding me dude...

The idea is to figure out a way to get the 10th pick and also make the Oilers happy. I realize it's overpayment. The goal is to spark the conversation. Are the Oilers interested in this type of deal if they can manage to get Lucic and Sekera to waive their NMC.

I don't value the Lucic and Sekera contracts like Gomez either. They are overpaid like Azner yes. But I'm not scared of the contracts cause we are rebuilding. Habs might be able to get Zadina and Kotkaniemi and that's what we really need. Figure out a way to get the 10th pick.

 

[TFHockey]

Full disclosure: Sekera tore up his ACL pretty badly in the series against the Ducks. He returned in December and was a shadow of his former self. The Oilers shut him down at the end of this season because he tweaked his knee again. I hope he is 100% healthy at training camp but I seriously don't know how he will recover.

 

[Draiskull]

Full disclosure: Sekera tore up his ACL pretty badly in the series against the Ducks. He returned in December and was a shadow of his former self. The Oilers shut him down at the end of this season because he tweaked his knee again. I hope he is 100% healthy at training camp but I seriously don't know how he will recover.

Pretty sure he played at the worlds. Not sure how good he was but he would have to be 100% for Oilers to allow him to play in that tourney.

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• Andrej Sekera led all Slovakian defenceman with three points and was a notable bright spot despite missing the majority of his season due to surgery."

 

[jfhabs]

Full disclosure: Sekera tore up his ACL pretty badly in the series against the Ducks. He returned in December and was a shadow of his former self. The Oilers shut him down at the end of this season because he tweaked his knee again. I hope he is 100% healthy at training camp but I seriously don't know how he will recover.

Sad, I always liked Sekera. Sometimes athletes just come back way to fast. Those injuries are pretty serious and they come back within 4-5 months. Normal humans take that time just to walk properly again!!!

 

[WJCJ]

I am not sure how many teams could take on $11.5 million, I think Edmonton would have to take back significant salary and that kind of defeats the purpose of the trade if it is to make room under the cap.

 

[Hostile Offer]

The idea is to figure out a way to get the 10th pick and also make the Oilers happy. I realize it's overpayment. The goal is to spark the conversation. Are the Oilers interested in this type of deal if they can manage to get Lucic and Sekera to waive their NMC.

I don't value the Lucic and Sekera contracts like Gomez either. They are overpaid like Azner yes. But I'm not scared of the contracts cause we are rebuilding. Habs might be able to get Zadina and Kotkaniemi and that's what we really need. Figure out a way to get the 10th pick.

I'd consider Patches for Lucic+10OA+ if Kotkaniemi is available. We already have a bottom four LHD logjam, paying Sekera for three more years sounds absolutely stupid to me, he can still play and would serve a much better purpose on some other team so he has better value than a pure cap dump which the Habs would see him as. Lindgren and the 2nd round pick are both valuable for the future, why get rid of them when we shouldn't need to?

 

[Habs Halifax]

I'd consider Patches for Lucic+10OA+ if Kotkaniemi is available. We already have a bottom four LHD logjam, paying Sekera for three more years sounds absolutely stupid to me, he can still play and would serve a much better purpose on some other team so he has better value than a pure cap dump which the Habs would see him as. Lindgren and the 2nd round pick are both valuable for the future, why get rid of them when we shouldn't need to?

Me too. But do the Oilers make this move? Seems fair but wait for it...

 

[Seanaconda]

Sekera struggled with injuries, but he's still a solid defenseman IMO and worth his cap hit.

The real problem though is that even IF the Oilers wanted to move them (and I'm not sure they do), both Sekera and Lucic chose to sign in Edmonton and both have a full NMC for this year. I doubt they are waiving it to go anywhere, much less to a bad team.

When does sekeras contract change ? Either way it’s bad timing to trade both of them at their lowest value tho

 

[Habs Halifax]

I am not sure how many teams could take on $11.5 million, I think Edmonton would have to take back significant salary and that kind of defeats the purpose of the trade if it is to make room under the cap.

Believe it or not, the Habs would have $7M in cap space after this trade is made and we are still able to sign all our RFA's. You want to unload salary and give us futures, while we give you Patch. We can talk

Send the memo out now... Habs have Patch and Cap space as trade chips. But we want futures. Serious futures.

 

[Sota Popinski]

I don't think the Oilers make the move then. Lucic and Sekera are not Gomez type bad contracts. They still are capable of doing good things but they are well overpaid. I'd be willing to figure out what it takes to get the 10th pick. Maybe Lucic, Sekera, 10th pick for Patch straight up is fair.

Lucic and Sekera both have negative value. IF they are willing to waive their NMC, the Oilers would have to package the 10th pick with them to get someone to take those contracts. You are being far too kind to the Oilers here. Even Bergevin wouldn't do the deal you offered. If Patches was going back the Oilers would have to add even more to the 10th pick because Pacioretty is worth at least a first round pick at the trade deadline. And that is without taking bad contracts back.