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Lucas Raymond breakout season

Akrapovince said:
Isn’t he crazy good defensively too?
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Not crazy good, but getting there. He's starting to get to a point where if hes in the corner battling for a puck, you kinda just assume hes coming out of the corner with it and hes starting to get a lot of those Datsyuk style takeaways. Hes playing on the PK and defending empty nets now as well.

I think its more hes just really competitive than anything. If you take a run at him, hes running you next shift. You take the puck from him he wants it back bad etc
 
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newfy said:
He might be that offensive game breaker that a lot of people didnt think the wings had in their rebuild. 21 years old with 30+ goals and 70+ points make me think theres 40 goal 90 point potential at his best, especially the way he started slow this year and has built as the year went on.

He was the best player from his draft class this season
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And Stutzle has already reached that potential
 
newfy said:
And Raymond, with a year less experience, just had a better season than Stutzle. Goes to show how good Raymond has become
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Stützle had a bad season and even still your premise is arguable. Either way, Jarvis had a better year than either of them.
 
Crazy to think like early this season I was seeing some Wings fans saying Raymond might not hit his ceiling of being a top line player (this might've been a minority opinion, but I definitely saw it). He's looked unreal this back half of the year.
 
Hockey Know it all said:
Explain how Jarvis had a better season than Raymond?
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2nd in goals, assists, points, +/- on arguably the best team in the league despite playing over a third of the season with Martinook, Staal, Noesen, Fast, Bunting, and Kotkaniemi; better defensive player, PKed more than any other forward in his draft year and had some of the best results in the league; is and was simply the better player.
 
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The Devilish Buffoon said:
2nd in goals, assists, points, +/- on arguably the best team in the league despite playing half the season with Martinook & Staal; better defensive player, PKed more than any other forward in his draft year and had some of the best results in the league; is and was simply the better player.
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More like 1/4 of the year. Spent way more time with Aho overall.

Think you could make a strong case for either of them.
 
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The Devilish Buffoon said:
2nd in goals, assists, points, +/- on arguably the best team in the league despite playing over a third of the season with Martinook, Staal, Noesen, Fast, Bunting, and Kotkaniemi; better defensive player, PKed more than any other forward in his draft year and had some of the best results in the league; is and was simply the better player.
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Fairpoint, but and I hate using this argument, look at the team he had compared to the Red Wings
 
The Devilish Buffoon said:
Stützle had a bad season and even still your premise is arguable. Either way, Jarvis had a better year than either of them.
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I dont think its really arguable at all.

Raymond almost doubled Stutzles goal total, had 55 primary points to Stutzles 37, and did it playing 3.5 minutes less a game and almost a minute less on the PP per game. Theres no real way to argue Stutzle as having a better season unless you value secondary assists more than goals I guess
 
Hockey Know it all said:
Fairpoint, but and I hate using this argument, look at the team he had compared to the Red Wings
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Sure, but the Wings had more guys with 60+ points (3 vs 2), as many 30+ goal scorers (2), as many 20+ goal scorers (4), and whereas Raymond spent basically his entire season playing with at least one guy (if not two) who hit those marks, Jarvis spent a significant portion of his season playing with depth guys - in fact, 1/3rd of his season was spent with line mates who had fewer points than him combined.

Raymond had an excellent season and will continue to improve but Jarvis does it all at a high level, even when played in a shutdown role. He's a special player imo. He belonged in that top group with Lafreniere, Byfield, Stützle, Raymond & Sanderson from day 1 imo.
 
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newfy said:
I dont think its really arguable at all.

Raymond almost doubled Stutzles goal total, had 55 primary points to Stutzles 37, and did it playing 3.5 minutes less a game and almost a minute less on the PP per game. Theres no real way to argue Stutzle as having a better season unless you value secondary assists more than goals I guess
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I'll give you this one. It would be more accurate (IMO) to say that the gap was not as significant as the stats suggest.
 
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A breakout year would be hovering around the 40 goal / 90 point mark. I think he'll get there. Possibly within the next two seasons.
 
Pretty sure the "dramatic shit" being referred to was late game clutch as hell heroic shit, not diving shit like everyone is assuming.

Anyways, he's realgud and I have not appreciated him enough to this point
 
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Some of the takes in here aged like milk. Seth Jarvis being better than Raymond, lmao.

This kid gets so little respect around the league. He doesn’t benefit from playing with Larkin anymore- it is definitively the other way around. If Larkin was with anyone else he’d be at 30 pts this season, he hasn’t been great other than the last 10ish games.

Raymond is a superstar and will be the best player from the 2020 draft. He will hit 90 this year and 100 next.
 
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