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Rumor: Los Angeles is interested in Prohorkin

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tigermask48 said:
At Wing? Lewis, Nolan, King jump to mind as guys he could replace. A replacement if Williams ends up on the FA market maybe? If he is dead set on making it at Center? I still hold out hope that Kopitar, or Richards gets good enough at draws to make Stoll expendable to open up a spot for Porkins. Another less desirable option could be he beats out Richards if MR continues to decline and can be dealt. I don't Porkins needs a top 6 role to start out. Bringing some skill to the bottom 6 with some PP time and odd shifts in the top 6 would work. Kind of the same way Williams, Brown, Gabby, and Toffoli, got shuffled around once Gabby was brought in
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See, that's my concern with all of this. Replacing King would make sense but Lewis and Nolan? I don't think anyone thinks giving Nolan's ice time and role to Porkins makes any sense. Porkins is a skill player, he doesn't improve playing seven minutes a game on the fourth line. He needs to be playing 15 minutes a game or more someplace and that's the real question, who does he bump out to give him that kind of ice time? King and Lewis, perhaps (especially King as he could see some time in a scoring role). Nolan? Not a chance.

It's not a matter of finding someone who Porkins is more skilled than, it's a matter of finding someone that is eating up the minutes and role Porkins needs.

Williams doesn't make sense to me either. When was the last time the Kings plugged a rookie with zero NHL games into a top six role at forward? Kopitar?
 
kingsfan said:
See, that's my concern with all of this. Replacing King would make sense but Lewis and Nolan? I don't think anyone thinks giving Nolan's ice time and role to Porkins makes any sense. Porkins is a skill player, he doesn't improve playing seven minutes a game on the fourth line. He needs to be playing 15 minutes a game or more someplace and that's the real question, who does he bump out to give him that kind of ice time? King and Lewis, perhaps (especially King as he could see some time in a scoring role). Nolan? Not a chance.

It's not a matter of finding someone who Porkins is more skilled than, it's a matter of finding someone that is eating up the minutes and role Porkins needs.

Williams doesn't make sense to me either. When was the last time the Kings plugged a rookie with zero NHL games into a top six role at forward? Kopitar?
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2012. Nolan and King. OK, King had all of 6 games under his belt.
 
Frolov 6'3 said:
If you play in the KHL and are one of the best over there than you are not going to spend a year in the AHL. Simple as that.

Just because there are a truckload of players on the Kings roster who did, does not mean every prospect need ""to pay their dues".

Most were fragile prospects. Why would they get a rosterspot ? Not to mention, most of the time there's no room on the roster unless you are elite like Kopitar and Doughty.

Heck, I doubt the Kings thought that anyone of King, Nolan, Martinez, Muzzin would ever become a NHL regular. Lets get real serious here.

Moller, Clifford, Schenn and Simmonds all got a rosterspot. It doesnt matter that Moller and Clifford have failed, they got it.

Porky might think he should get one too.


Tigermask is right.
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Complete hogwash, Muzzin/A-Mart were definitely being groomed in the AHL with roster spots in mind. Muzzin was kept over Hickey. Muzzin was picked up as an UFA, the Kings brass had every intention of making Muzzin into a roster player.

Some of you are acting like the current Kings roster happened by chance....

Nolan/King were fringe guys like Andy. But the fringe guys are being developed the correct way.

People go to the AHL to develop, not just cause they have too...

Seen Porky play, He will not need time in the AHL. But...He is not going to displace Stoll/Richards in the future, unless those two fall off the face of the earth. I think Stoll will be resigned.

Again, I doubt his KHL team is going to let him go. They will fork over the big bucks if he has another great season.

A lot will depend on how bad Porky wants to play in the NHL.

Also you're the same poster that said Zykov is a bust right ?
 
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damacles1156 said:
Complete hogwash, Muzzin/A-Mart were definitely being groomed in the AHL with roster spots in mind. Muzzin was kept over Hickey. Muzzin was picked up as an UFA, the Kings brass had every intention of making Muzzin into a roster player.

Some of you are acting like the current Kings roster happened by chance....

Nolan/King were fringe guys like Andy. But the fringe guys are being developed the correct way.

People go to the AHL to develop, not just cause they have too...

Seen Porky play, He will not need time in the AHL. But...He is not going to displace Stoll/Richards in the future, unless those two fall off the face of the earth. I think Stoll will be resigned.

Again, I doubt his KHL team is going to let him go. They will fork over the big bucks if he has another great season.

A lot will depend on how bad Porky wants to play in the NHL.

Also you're the same poster that said Zykov is a bust right ?
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Of course the Kings brass have every intention to develop any prospect into a Kings regular. That doesnt mean that players like King, Nolan, Martinez and Muzzin werent very fringe players. Kings have had much more promising prospects in the minors than those.

So yes I think they and the Kings lucked out some bit but full credit to them. If you dont sign them (Jones, Muzzin) than nothing will happen.

Though Nolan and King were called up when things were going the wrong way for us. Otherwise they would still be playing AHL hockey right now. I still think there are better 4th liners out there than Nolan as well.

Martinez got better because of Martinez himself and not the Kings IMO. Kings (Sutter) never believed that much in him.

Kings have an excellent core and sometimes limited players who can play the system will turn into good NHL regulars. Hickey would have looked good in a Kings jersey too. Most steady defenseman on the Islanders....it would not have been any different with the Kings.

Like the Red Wings in the past. Sometimes it seemed like every prospect they called up turned into gold. People always said how it was possible that they could find the talent in the later rounds. IMO that was overreaction. They had players that carried that team (like the Kings). Any prospect that was hungry and could play the system, could turn into something decent.


EDIT: regarding Zykov. No I never said he was a bust. I said people should stop talking about him as he was the next best thing because he isnt.

To be honest, I dont see the relevance of your question other than to make me look bad. At least dont make things up.
 
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HookKing said:
2012. Nolan and King. OK, King had all of 6 games under his belt.
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Ok, let me clarify my own question then. When was the last time the Kings did it out of camp? When did they Kings start a season with a rookie with zero NHL games (and 8 AHL games for that matter) in a top six role?

Also on Nolan, I know he and King played together down the stretch at times but Nolan played 9:20 a game with the Kings in 2011-2012, hardly top six ice time.
 
kingsfan said:
See, that's my concern with all of this. Replacing King would make sense but Lewis and Nolan? I don't think anyone thinks giving Nolan's ice time and role to Porkins makes any sense. Porkins is a skill player, he doesn't improve playing seven minutes a game on the fourth line. He needs to be playing 15 minutes a game or more someplace and that's the real question, who does he bump out to give him that kind of ice time? King and Lewis, perhaps (especially King as he could see some time in a scoring role). Nolan? Not a chance.

It's not a matter of finding someone who Porkins is more skilled than, it's a matter of finding someone that is eating up the minutes and role Porkins needs.

Williams doesn't make sense to me either. When was the last time the Kings plugged a rookie with zero NHL games into a top six role at forward? Kopitar?
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Understandable, but I think also if Porkins were to make the team there would be other moves made. It wouldn't just be a new guy coming in and no one leaving. I also think Prohkorkin is far from a one dimensional offensive guy and is a decent two-way player. Could benefit from either a top 6 or bottom 6 role.

In a perfect bubble world with no new additions coming in, and the only guys leaving being vets getting big pay days/retiring like Stoll, Williams, Regehr over the next couple years. This also is going off the assumption that current prospects meet there full potential, so take this next bit with a grain of salt if you want to. In theory I think the next few seasons would look something like this;

-One of Nolan, Andreoff (or even Sabourin, though he's unlikely) improves and takes over Clifford's role making him expendable. Freeing up a roster spot.

-Toffoli or Pearson continues to develop and one of them is moved into Williams role on the team. Williams tests FA and frees up a roster spot.

-Lewis, or one of the Monarchs (Weal? Shore?) moves into Stoll's spot, if Stoll goes the FA route. Frees up a roster spot.

I could see prohkorkin filling in any of those spots honestly. Most likely I'd think would be Williams moves on, Toffoli, Pearson move to his spot and Porkins is brought in alongside Carter, or down the middle with Carter on his wing.

As far as the arguement of him needing icetime goes? There's plenty to go around, consider that over the course of the year the only forward that averaged 20 minutes a game was Kopi. Every other regular player in the lineup was averaging about 10 - 18 minutes a game depending on special teams time. Toffoli only averaged only 13 minutes.
The Kings are very much a 4 line team at this point so ice time won't be an issue. Porkins can play with guys like Carter, and Richards at even strength and see some sheltered minutes on the powerplay here and there the same way Toffoli was brought along.
 
tigermask48 said:
At Wing? Lewis, Nolan, King jump to mind as guys he could replace. A replacement if Williams ends up on the FA market maybe? If he is dead set on making it at Center? I still hold out hope that Kopitar, or Richards gets good enough at draws to make Stoll expendable to open up a spot for Porkins.
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THey're pretty close (2013/14)
RS
Stoll 54%
Richards 53.9%
Kopitar 53%

Playoffs
Stoll 56%
Richards 53.9%
Kopitar 53.1%

I don't think faceoffs is the reason SToll is so value dby DL, it's one of them but not near the top of his list. If you've ever read his interviews or heard DL speak of SToll, he values all the other things more, esp leaderhip, lockeroom presence, off ice responsiblity ,esp with rookies. Things that you only get by being a vet whose paid his dues, lost a lot of games and learned how to win, knows the sacrifices that have to be made.

Prohorkin has shown to be a very skilled player in the KHL. That may or may not translate to the NHL Even so, he's young and hasn't experienced thoes things that make a player like Stoll so valuable. That will come in time.
And as DL himself stated (and Hextall did recently in philly, citing DL) playing in the AHL never hurts a players game, moreso than not it makes htem a better player. Even if he comes over next year, playing in the AHL wouldn't be a deterent as it would help him get used to the North American style
 
deeshamrock said:
THey're pretty close (2013/14)
RS
Stoll 54%
Richards 53.9%
Kopitar 53%

Playoffs
Stoll 56%
Richards 53.9%
Kopitar 53.1%

I don't think faceoffs is the reason SToll is so value dby DL, it's one of them but not near the top of his list. If you've ever read his interviews or heard DL speak of SToll, he values all the other things more, esp leaderhip, lockeroom presence, off ice responsiblity ,esp with rookies. Things that you only get by being a vet whose paid his dues, lost a lot of games and learned how to win, knows the sacrifices that have to be made.

Prohorkin has shown to be a very skilled player in the KHL. That may or may not translate to the NHL Even so, he's young and hasn't experienced thoes things that make a player like Stoll so valuable. That will come in time.
And as DL himself stated (and Hextall did recently in philly, citing DL) playing in the AHL never hurts a players game, moreso than not it makes htem a better player. Even if he comes over next year, playing in the AHL wouldn't be a deterent as it would help him get used to the North American style
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Spot on. Well said.
 
tigermask48 said:
Understandable, but I think also if Porkins were to make the team there would be other moves made. It wouldn't just be a new guy coming in and no one leaving. I also think Prohkorkin is far from a one dimensional offensive guy and is a decent two-way player. Could benefit from either a top 6 or bottom 6 role.

In a perfect bubble world with no new additions coming in, and the only guys leaving being vets getting big pay days/retiring like Stoll, Williams, Regehr over the next couple years. This also is going off the assumption that current prospects meet there full potential, so take this next bit with a grain of salt if you want to. In theory I think the next few seasons would look something like this;

-One of Nolan, Andreoff (or even Sabourin, though he's unlikely) improves and takes over Clifford's role making him expendable. Freeing up a roster spot.

-Toffoli or Pearson continues to develop and one of them is moved into Williams role on the team. Williams tests FA and frees up a roster spot.

-Lewis, or one of the Monarchs (Weal? Shore?) moves into Stoll's spot, if Stoll goes the FA route. Frees up a roster spot.

I could see prohkorkin filling in any of those spots honestly. Most likely I'd think would be Williams moves on, Toffoli, Pearson move to his spot and Porkins is brought in alongside Carter, or down the middle with Carter on his wing.

As far as the arguement of him needing icetime goes? There's plenty to go around, consider that over the course of the year the only forward that averaged 20 minutes a game was Kopi. Every other regular player in the lineup was averaging about 10 - 18 minutes a game depending on special teams time. Toffoli only averaged only 13 minutes.
The Kings are very much a 4 line team at this point so ice time won't be an issue. Porkins can play with guys like Carter, and Richards at even strength and see some sheltered minutes on the powerplay here and there the same way Toffoli was brought along.
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Quite honestly the only scenario you discussed that I see as plausible is Williams leaving. Now if Williams has a strong year or another epic playoffs, that scenario in all likelihood goes out the window assuming Williams himself doesn't demand to move on/explore UFA.

Porkins isn't going to fill in for Nolan/Clifford/etc. Different. The more likely progression is Clifford goes, Nolan moves up and Andreoff replaces Nolan, or Andreoff leapfrogs Nolan or the Kings keep Clifford, or the Kings dump Nolan and Andreoff replaces Nolan, some combo of all that.

The Stoll/Lewis idea could have some merit too, however I haven't heard anything about Porkins skill away from the puck and as much as the Kings preach overall play, it'd go ten fold on a line with Lewis which is heavy on pushing forechecking and sound positional play. If Porkins is up to that task, he'll have a better shot at jumping straight in.

I think that if anything could ticket him for the AHL. We all know he has the puck skills. How's the defense?
 
deeshamrock said:
THey're pretty close (2013/14)
RS
Stoll 54%
Richards 53.9%
Kopitar 53%

Playoffs
Stoll 56%
Richards 53.9%
Kopitar 53.1%

I don't think faceoffs is the reason SToll is so value dby DL, it's one of them but not near the top of his list. If you've ever read his interviews or heard DL speak of SToll, he values all the other things more, esp leaderhip, lockeroom presence, off ice responsiblity ,esp with rookies. Things that you only get by being a vet whose paid his dues, lost a lot of games and learned how to win, knows the sacrifices that have to be made.

Prohorkin has shown to be a very skilled player in the KHL. That may or may not translate to the NHL Even so, he's young and hasn't experienced thoes things that make a player like Stoll so valuable. That will come in time.
And as DL himself stated (and Hextall did recently in philly, citing DL) playing in the AHL never hurts a players game, moreso than not it makes htem a better player. Even if he comes over next year, playing in the AHL wouldn't be a deterent as it would help him get used to the North American style
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Agree completely. Good post.
 
Agree with you kf and dee. The only way I see Williams or Stoll leaving is if it's them wanting to test free agency. If neither wants go that route I'd be happy keeping both and Porkins, can spend a year or two in the AHL. Didn't bother to look up those numbers so thanks for doing that dee! Stoll is such a beast in the circle in the playoffs. Almost 60%. :laugh:

Prokhorkin from what little (maybe 5 KHL games) I've seen kind of seems like a smaller grittier more motivated Frolov, which was the reason I brought up him in Williams spot.
 
I think his ceiling is definitely on a top line, But it is hard to jump from Europe to the NHL without an acclimatization period, especially for a 21 year old. If he's willing to suck it up, go to Manchester for a year, acclimatize to the NA game, he could be a real force for us in 2016-2017
 
tigermask48 said:
Agree with you kf and dee. The only way I see Williams or Stoll leaving is if it's them wanting to test free agency. If neither wants go that route I'd be happy keeping both and Porkins, can spend a year or two in the AHL. Didn't bother to look up those numbers so thanks for doing that dee! Stoll is such a beast in the circle in the playoffs. Almost 60%. :laugh:
Prokhorkin from what little (maybe 5 KHL games) I've seen kind of seems like a smaller grittier more motivated Frolov, which was the reason I brought up him in Williams spot.
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All 3 were strong and when you control the circle, you can usually dictate the pace. It was something no team could combat. Look at the effect it had in the game 7's.

As far as Prokhorkin, I'm glad the Kings management is smart about development. THey seem to value stable growth and culturing young players the right way. Dn't rush them! Coming from Russia, playing there is not like the North American game. WHen The Flyers signed Bob in 2010, I remember thinking as good as he looked in the first few games, he should go to the Phantoms for a year. Even the goalie coach (reese) suggested that, saying Bob had all the tools to be an elite NHL goalie but adjusting to the North Amercian style is difficult. He said 'give the kid 2 or 3 years and he'll be a top NHL goalie. But Homer and Snider aren't that patient and Bob when right from Russia to the NHL , couldn't speak English, understand it that well and didn't understant the cultture. Hard adjustment. And cutting him off at the knees the nex tyear , after a good rookie season, by benching him in favor of Bryz didn't help. I like Bob and am glad he's his home in Columbus and is thriving there.
I think for Prokhorkin, it would help him to adjust to the North America and also, in the AHL he'd get alot more minutes, which would help his game grow.
 
Perhaps its best if Prohorkin gets another great year in Russia and we can use him as a trade chip

Ya i would love to fantasise about him scoring tones with the big club, but chances are he's going to have to go through the AHL on a 2 ways contract. He's going to get at least $2-$3m tax free contract in the KHL. Alternatively, he can go for his "dream" and play for 100k in the AHL....

Its going to be a life changing contract for him in the KHL. If I was Prohorkin, i might just be tempted to play few more years in the KHL and get financial independence before moving over. Its a big risk, if he gets injured in the AHL, now instead of being a millionaire, he's going to be working some 9-5 job the rest of his life. I don't think many of us would "chase our dreams" with that much of an upside-downside risks
 
kingsfan said:
Ok, let me clarify my own question then. When was the last time the Kings did it out of camp? When did they Kings start a season with a rookie with zero NHL games (and 8 AHL games for that matter) in a top six role?

Also on Nolan, I know he and King played together down the stretch at times but Nolan played 9:20 a game with the Kings in 2011-2012, hardly top six ice time.
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Fair enough but that wasn't your question. They were brought up and plugged into the second line (with Richards). And, contrary to a lot of selective memories out there -- it was a failure.
 
HookKing said:
Fair enough but that wasn't your question. They were brought up and plugged into the second line (with Richards). And, contrary to a lot of selective memories out there -- it was a failure.
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Actually it didn't answer my question anyway. As I clarrified, when was the last King player to start the season in a top 6 role as a rookie with zero NHL expereince? I don't believe it has happened since Kopitar.
 
Do the Kings still have his rights? He looks pretty well in the KHL, centering SKA's 2nd line. 54% FO, 5+3 after 11 games, having TOI 12:39 and no PP. Of course, playing with Gusev helps, but he displays a lot of skill. He's got his 24th birthday today and has a contract untill 2019.
 
Kshahdoo said:
Do the Kings still have his rights? He looks pretty well in the KHL, centering SKA's 2nd line. 54% FO, 5+3 after 11 games, having TOI 12:39 and no PP. Of course, playing with Gusev helps, but he displays a lot of skill. He's got his 24th birthday today and has a contract untill 2019.
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Yes, they still have NHL rights.
 
He's had plenty of chances to come back to the USA and hasn't. If he sticks to demanding a guaranteed NHL roster spot he probably never will.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Not necessarily, some of them take some time, like Panarin.

Then again, for each of those guys there's a guy like Plotnikov.
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Prohorkin is way more skilled, than Plotnikov. He needs to figure out other things, like consistency. Dadonov did it in the KHL, so why not Prohorkin as well? He'll be just 26 in 2019. Skillful centermen with size aren't that general commodity. I hope, he'll make Russian Olympic team for PyeongChang.
 
Kshahdoo said:
Prohorkin is way more skilled, than Plotnikov. He needs to figure out other things, like consistency. Dadonov did it in the KHL, so why not Prohorkin as well? He'll be just 26 in 2019. Skillful centermen with size aren't that general commodity. I hope, he'll make Russian Olympic team for PyeongChang.
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I'm definitely not saying he CAN'T do it. Most of us were really eager for Porkins to come over at one point or another. Just saying it's not worth getting too worked up about it since there are no guarantees.
 
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