Looking back at prime Niklas Kronwall
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It was pretty hilarious. "get me the smallest visor manufactured and basically put it on the top of my helmet."
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He was suspended for the Kucherov hit I think, which was warranted, and got kicked out of the game for the hit on Havlat, which he probably shouldn't have been.
JianYang
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It's funny, you associate samuelsson with head hits, whereas I think about knee hits first. I think his knee on knees with neely and skrudland were career altering, as examples.
In that era, when I think about knee on knee hitters, it was marchment and samuelsson that I think of first.
There's dirty and there's flirting with the edge. This looks to me like flirting with the edge.
If people want hitting in the game they have to accept that there are still going to be bad hits- not bad as in dirty but as in dangerous.
And for anyone who cries about CTE resulting from hits, you better be one of the staunchest advocates of banning fighting for health and safety reasons otherwise you should speak nothing of hitting and CTE. You have no logical, rational, moral, or ethical place on which to stand.
And quite frankly, even trying to regulate hitting for the sake of preventing future CTE issues is logically absurd. Any kind of hit is a risk. I'm not advocating getting rid of any kind of regulations but for the love of God, recognize and accept that there are going to be gray areas and quit whining about every iffy hit.
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He didnt need to go through the chest into the head there. He could have just as easily blown him up by going through the chest through the right or left shoulder. And that was usually the case with players he "Kronwalled." He had no concern for the damage he was causing his opponents and badly injured many of them, whether it be over the edge or simply on the edge. Very vicious player.
Cursed Lemon
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And that is to he expected when you allow hitting.
Anytime rules are being considered, you have to think of the players who are going to do the 120km in a 100km max limit areas.
If these kinds of hits are too dangerous in the view of some, then push the boundary back further so these kind of players who straddle the edge are tamed more.
If the NHL doesn't deem it necessary, then there you have it. If they're not pushing these boundaries back then the players themselves- through the NHLPA- aren't pressuring them to push them further back either .
As I said, hitting is dangerous per se, you can have a level of danger that you're comfortable with as a viewer, bit it doesn't mean everyone else is going to be be at that same level. If his hits were dangerous and dirty by NHL's standards- then he would have been suspended for each and every one of them.
tarheelhockey
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No, you’re exactly right. I wasn’t making the comparison based on head hits. The comparison was based on a guy who practiced a type of hit that was widely disparaged at the time, largely in a predatory way on guys who didn’t see it coming, and somehow always seemed to dodge accountability (via discipline and also via fighting).
I have had the exact same arguments on here about Samuelsson that we’re having about Kronwall. Fans of his teams absolutely went to the mat for him as a gritty, “edgy”, “game changing” type of hitter who they were happy to have on their teams. Even 30-40 years later they legitimately don’t understand the disgust.
edit: as noted above, there was a BIG difference in how these guys viewed visors, though
Yeah I was like 8 glasses of wine deep when I posted that
What always intrigued me about the situation with a player like Samuelsson is a team would go ballistic and want a suspension or what not, yet you'd think tge NHLPA would pressure through NHL to suspend those types of hits, yet on the flip side they also represent the aggressor. Can you say conflict of interest?No, you’re exactly right. I wasn’t making the comparison based on head hits. The comparison was based on a guy who practiced a type of hit that was widely disparaged at the time, largely in a predatory way on guys who didn’t see it coming, and somehow always seemed to dodge accountability (via discipline and also via fighting).
I have had the exact same arguments on here about Samuelsson that we’re having about Kronwall. Fans of his teams absolutely went to the mat for him as a gritty, “edgy”, “game changing” type of hitter who they were happy to have on their teams. Even 30-40 years later they legitimately don’t understand the disgust.
edit: as noted above, there was a BIG difference in how these guys viewed visors, though
"Sorry 'bout your knee, Cam. But Ulfue pays his dues too."
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I will say, though the hits were dirty and dangerous they took some serious precision and anticipation to line up.
he is effectively committing to a lot of them 3-4 seconds in advance by lining up, pivoting and going backwards into the hits. if he misses, hes doomed
he is effectively committing to a lot of them 3-4 seconds in advance by lining up, pivoting and going backwards into the hits. if he misses, hes doomed
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Another problem I had with Kronwall is he would never answer the bell after a bad hit. Dudes gloved were glued on tight.
NOT ONE SINGLE FIGHT IN HIS CAREER!
NOT ONE SINGLE FIGHT IN HIS CAREER!
