London Knights 2024 - 25 Season Thread, Part VII

[ohloutsider]

Yes that makes sense on the Cowan interference penalty. But as per the rule "incidental" contact was made so the goal gets wiped off. It also states that the penalty gets wiped off as well. 95 percent of the contact was made because of Marelli cross checking Cowan in to the goalie. The TSN announcers even stated this and were confused by the call. And one of those announcers is an ex- Ranger and we know they have no love for the Knights nor should they! So the goal should be disallowed and Sennecke should have a roughing penalty. And please tell me how Marelli cross checking Cowan from behind into his own goalie miraculously got missed? It just seems to have a little bit of a foul odour that one team seemed to be playing by a totally different set of standards. But as Mr. Hunter said last night with a giant smirk on his face and a giant chuckle " oh the officials were great tonight "

Lots and lots of missed calls, both ways. Can't justify it but it is easier to understand the calls when my team has no stick in the game. Vision gets a little blurred when my team is playing, I'm sure it happens to others as well.

 

[shootscore115]

Asking if there is something I am missing, like is there some sort of background to these statements that I am not aware of.

If I asked that question on the other platform, I would just get troll answers and be called names like one London Knight fan insaulted me last night for being a "dumb Pejorative Slured lesbian" last night on one of those platforms and tried to shame me that I am gay.

We have a 35% PP in the playoffs, and we scored on 33% of the Powerplays last night, so I don't know what the deal is that 3 of our goals were on the powerplay.

I don't think any Knights fan that thinks we are disciplined enough. But we know that Oshawa's biggest advantage is their PP. So going into this game, I am sure our strategy was to stay out of the box as much as possible and I think we did and OK job of that. The problem was the penalties called on us that were obviously not penalties (Cowan Pushed into the goalie or embellishment on Sim for getting a face full of stick which should have been a major} As well were the non-calls on Oshawa.

 

[Otto]

Lots and lots of missed calls, both ways. Can't justify it but it is easier to understand the calls when my team has no stick in the game. Vision gets a little blurred when my team is playing, I'm sure it happens to others as well.

The "missed calls both ways" doesn't cut it when a) there were Bogus calls Against London and b) One team got 3x as many powerplays

 

[Billyjack]

Sennecke is a massive diver. He’s no Zayne Parekh, but still

Just like Sim

 

[shootscore115]

I do not think most educated Knights fans are complaining that Gens goals were scored on the Power Play. We all said before the series started that the boys MUST stay out of the box. I think it has more to do with HOW Oshawa came out with said powerplays. I will break some down some blatantly missed calls before going through some other weak calls.

The whole game was officiated egregiously!

1 - Woolley roughing - Yes correct call.

Missed Call - O'Reilly blatantly speared in the nether region by Ritchie off the faceoff. Ref looks right at O'Reilly and laughed at him.

2 - Van Bommell - Boarding - Meh boarderline board, official took 7 seconds after hit to make the call. Officials arm was not up until D'Amato pretended like he was hurt 5-7 seconds after the hit.

3 - Sim - 4 Min High Stick - High stick yes, 4 mins absolutely not. Sennecke PICKED his nose for a solid 6-8 seconds and then the ref actually looked UP INTO HIS NOSE for what might have been a small amount of blood that Sennecke obviously produced by picking his own nose haha

Cowan Tripped in neutral zone while shorthanded. Again ref looks directly at him and shakes his head.

4 - Ritchie - Roughing - Meh him and Bonk were tied up. Both should have went to the box but Ref knew he could not do that.

5 - Sennecke "Roughing" Sim "Diving" - If getting cross checked in the face nets you a diving penalty then the precedent for diving has now been set.

6 - Woolley - Roughing - This one was awful. Woolley hits Buckey and Buckley falls. Buckley has both arms wrapped around Woolleys foot preventing him from moving for 3-4 seconds. Woolley pushes him once and gets a "roughing" penalty. Make it make sense. This one garnered a Rough and a Hold.

7 - Bonk - 4 Min High Sticking - Again sure there was a tad bit of blood. it was an accidental high stick but a high stick non the less. But if Sim got a dive, Sennecke acting like a sniper shot him should have garnished an embelllishment call for sure!

7 - Martin - Roughing - Again officials should have taken both combatants as both were roughing after the whistle. 100 Percent make up call.

8 - Cowan ( Goalie Int )/Sennecke ( Rough ) - Goal disallowed because of goalie interference. Replay clearly shows Marelli CROSS CHECKING Cowan into his own goalie. I can understand the goal being disallowed but that interference penalty should have been taken off the board as it was the Oshawa player who initiated the contact.

9 - Montgomery - Tripping - Shitty call but had to be made it was obviously a trip. Although it would not have happened if Officials call the hold in the corner on Haltunnen a minute before where D'Amato was drapped all over his back.

With all of this being said, if we bury any of our 3 breakaways/P.Shot then we could have won regardless.

as of this minute, this is by far the best post I have read that explains how most Knights fans are feeling about this game

 

[Altek]

Yes that makes sense on the Cowan interference penalty. But as per the rule "incidental" contact was made so the goal gets wiped off. It also states that the penalty gets wiped off as well. 95 percent of the contact was made because of Marelli cross checking Cowan in to the goalie. The TSN announcers even stated this and were confused by the call. And one of those announcers is an ex- Ranger and we know they have no love for the Knights nor should they! So the goal should be disallowed and Sennecke should have a roughing penalty. And please tell me how Marelli cross checking Cowan from behind into his own goalie miraculously got missed? It just seems to have a little bit of a foul odour that one team seemed to be playing by a totally different set of standards. But as Mr. Hunter said last night with a giant smirk on his face and a giant chuckle " oh the officials were great tonight "

I agree Cowan should not have been called for a goalie interference pentalty and Sennecke for roughing on that same play. If you don't give Cowan a pentalty there is not enough there to give Sennecke a penalty.

 

[Altek]

I don't think any Knights fan that thinks we are disciplined enough. But we know that Oshawa's biggest advantage is their PP. So going into this game, I am sure our strategy was to stay out of the box as much as possible and I think we did and OK job of that. The problem was the penalties called on us that were obviously not penalties (Cowan Pushed into the goalie or embellishment on Sim for getting a face full of stick which should have been a major} As well were the non-calls on Oshawa.

As I said it wasnt Knights fans that said they they were displine it was the talking heads on TSN that were talking about it ALL NIGHT

 

[Ferguson Jenkins]

I don’t know why fans can’t admit one team was heavily favoured by the stripes. Imagine if the roles were reversed. You “unbiased observers” can still keep your “I hate London” badge. It was as if Oshawa hired Patrick Mahomes to wear a Gens jersey for a night. The game was heavily influenced by the referees (linespeople also missed a number of offsides, but I digress). I still don’t see Oshawa winning the series, unless the officials try to gift every game to them like last night. And that could happen. This is the OHL after all. Doesn’t matter to me anyway. I’ll listen to Stubbs the rest of the series with Van Horne hopefully interrupting him at a minimum. Not spending another dime on this league, especially when the talent pool gets drained and we’re watching rosters of U18 players and three mediocre imports. Move on and enjoy the weather. It’s good for you. Cheers.

 

[Altek]

I don’t know why fans can’t admit one team was heavily favoured by the stripes. Imagine if the roles were reversed. You “unbiased observers” can still keep your “I hate London” badge. It was as if Oshawa hired Patrick Mahomes to wear a Gens jersey for a night. The game was heavily influenced by the referees (linespeople also missed a number of offsides, but I digress). I still don’t see Oshawa winning the series, unless the officials try to gift every game to them like last night. And that could happen. This is the OHL after all. Doesn’t matter to me anyway. I’ll listen to Stubbs the rest of the series with Van Horne hopefully interrupting him at a minimum. Not spending another dime on this league, especially when the talent pool gets drained and we’re watching rosters of U18 players and three mediocre imports. Move on and enjoy the weather. It’s good for you. Cheers.

That's the issue, Knights fans give the Generals team ZERO respect, that you guys are that much better than us without the refs' assistance, even though we split the series during the season, with you guys winning in overtime. I think both teams are strong and either can win, and they don't need refs or the league rigging it to do so.

 

[purple pharrt]

Hey, If respect is what you want, cue the music guy to play this classic as the intro tune for the warm-up skate:

 

[frontsfan67]

Lastly on Cowans penalty shot I have been saying I think teams should get a 2 minute power play over a pentaly shot because it today’s game with shoot out goalies have advantage on a pentaly shot and I think you have better odds to score on a power play. Also it is the only time that a player causes a pentaly but does not have to serve time in the box. In this situation instead of calling the pentaly shot Danford gets 2 min for tripping and London is on the PP. Or another idea I had to not eliminate penalty shots out of the game all together is to let the team have the pentaly shot if they score no pentaly and if they don’t score the player gets a 2 minute minor. Almost treating the penalty shot as a delayed penalty

The way I see it. Think of it as a team like Peterborough or Owen sound this year trying to score on the powerplay where they’re not very strong in that regard. Instead of that they get their best player on a breakaway vs the opposing teams goalie.

A team like London can do either and be in a good situation because your team is loaded and your powerplay is the best in the league.

You eliminate penalty shots and it does nothing but screw the lesser teams. Almost like hack a Shaq when Shaquille O’Neal was playing- sending him to the line but he’s a horrible free throw shooter, works the same with lower end teams struggling to score like Peterborough and Owen sound. Gotta keep the penalty shots.

 

[frontsfan67]

Because of the way he fell I can kinda understand how some thought there was embellishment on the Montgomery trip but he was mid stride, and when his left leg came off the ice he stepped on Montgomery's stick and his legs went out from under him.

IMO the ref tilt leaned Oshawa's way last night based on calls/missed calls - but that one they got right.

Don’t forget about all the diving between the 2 teams. Embarrassing. A hockey game broke out at a diving match!

Oshawa fans lean Oshawa and London fans lean London, common sense obviously but both teams were really selling last night for the calls.

 

[shootscore115]

I agree Cowan should not have been called for a goalie interference pentalty and Sennecke for roughing on that same play. If you don't give Cowan a pentalty there is not enough there to give Sennecke a penalty.

you can't be serious. Sennecke and the player that cross checked Cowan both should have got penalties. Brutal

 

[frontsfan67]

If I’m London. Keep screwing with Sennecke he can have a little bit of a temper. Anytime you pull him off for 2 mins that’s doing nothing but benefiting the knights.

Cowan, O’Reilly and Haltunnen (yes I know they’re not on same line) are the only 3 forwards I wouldn’t trade off with sennecke.

On defence you can’t have Bonk or Dickinson taking penalties, rest are expendable.

 

[rve24]

LK is very disciplined most of the time
..... with their systems
As far as penalties, whatever. I find this whole thing comical. 1 game in, a game not refereed well ( nope I'm not picking sides ) and 4/5 pages of banter.
Most LK fans I know get it....according to 19 other teams fan bases " in general " LK dives, plays Hunter hockey, cheats, bullies......and they want LK to lose ( not TB77 from Windsor thou as an exception ) It's a badge of honour and JMO but is alot of sour grapes looking externally instead of internally.
Would be awesome to have a forum of fans on every side a little less fanatical but that ain't happening.

End of the day the better team, or team that plays better will win the series just like 98% of every series played.
I just wish the games didn't have all the TV TOs in the finals every year as it changes the dynamic teams faced 95% of the time thru 68 reg season games and 3 rds of POs.
I'll be in my seat Saturday, shaking my head at the crazy fanatics griping about the refs.

 

[Fastpace]

The explanation given by the TSN guys on why the goal was called back made sense, at least to me. They said and showed on the replay that Cowan was already in the blue paint and had made contact with Oster ( the face wash) before he was checked from behind into Oster. Also Cowan would have hindered Osters ability to make the save being that he was already in the blue paint and draped over Oster.
I'd be more concerned about the missed opportunities that London had. That is what cost them the game.
And lastly Oshawa looked nervous and out of sorts for the 1st 2 periods. London and Oshawa both have more to give. This is going to be a hard fought series. Be safe.

Well, of course they were nervous as heck, they were getting calls for just being on the ice.

These kids had no clue where the tolerance bar was set at, and were getting frustrated watching the freebies that Oshawa were getting away with. Opposing teams and fans may dislike London all they want, that is part of the game, but the unfair officiating to level out the playing field should not be part of it. I have been fairly quiet about officiating for a very longtime. I found myself having to comment on these pages, stating early, at the 7-minute mark of the second to be precise, that this game had the making of a league interference. Last night's game was a bit much. These kids have worked hard to get at the level they are at, it appears the league's officiating team is sabotaging these kid's hard efforts, making it some kind of travesty. Not all Knights calls against were bad calls, but a few truly were, and Oshawa were not all that disciplined either, they got the freebies and won the game.

 

[Altek]

LK is very disciplined most of the time
..... with their systems
As far as penalties, whatever. I find this whole thing comical. 1 game in, a game not refereed well ( nope I'm not picking sides ) and 4/5 pages of banter.
Most LK fans I know get it....according to 19 other teams fan bases " in general " LK dives, plays Hunter hockey, cheats, bullies......and they want LK to lose ( not TB77 from Windsor thou as an exception ) It's a badge of honour and JMO but is alot of sour grapes looking externally instead of internally.
Would be awesome to have a forum of fans on every side a little less fanatical but that ain't happening.

End of the day the better team, or team that plays better will win the series just like 98% of every series played.
I just wish the games didn't have all the TV TOs in the finals every year as it changes the dynamic teams faced 95% of the time thru 68 reg season games and 3 rds of POs.
I'll be in my seat Saturday, shaking my head at the crazy fanatics griping about the refs.

Thank you, a LK fan with some logic.

Some on here and making it sound like Oshawa was out there with guns shooting Knights players and London was all innocent, doing nothing wrong.

 

[Otto]

Thank you, a LK fan with some logic.

Some on here and making it sound like Oshawa was out there with guns shooting Knights players and London was all innocent, doing nothing wrong.

Nobody is saying that

 

[Altek]

Nobody is saying that

You are saying there hasn't been any home team exaggeration on the missed calls against Oshawa on these multiple pages of poor refereeing on this board.

Not even just a little by anyone?

Also what is annoying is even IF London wins game two and gets more powerplays and scores all their goals on the Powerplay. Knights fans will still be complaining how they should be up 2-0 before of the bad refs in game one.

 

[Otto]

You are saying there hasn't been any home team exaggeration on the missed calls against Oshawa on these multiple pages of poor refereeing on this board.

Not even just a little by anyone?

Also what is annoying is even IF London wins game two and gets more powerplays and scores all their goals on the Powerplay. Knights fans will still be complaining how they should be up 2-0 before of the bad refs in game one.

Just stop it.

Nobody is even saying they should be up 1-0

Why are you continuously saying things that are not happening? What are you hoping to accomplish?

 

[purple pharrt]

You are saying there hasn't been any home team exaggeration on the missed calls against Oshawa on these multiple pages of poor refereeing on this board.

Not even just a little by anyone?

Also what is annoying is even IF London wins game two and gets more powerplays and scores all their goals on the Powerplay. Knights fans will still be complaining how they should be up 2-0 before of the bad refs in game one.

So, now you're crystal ball gazing ?? Let's let the future unfold without any attempt at prophesy. That too is respectful !

 

[rve24]

You are saying there hasn't been any home team exaggeration on the missed calls against Oshawa on these multiple pages of poor refereeing on this board.

Not even just a little by anyone?

Also what is annoying is even IF London wins game two and gets more powerplays and scores all their goals on the Powerplay. Knights fans will still be complaining how they should be up 2-0 before of the bad refs in game one.

Are you saying the officiating was down the middle, applying equality in all calls, non calls lol.

Could change "Knights fans" to "some fans of teams 1-20 in the OHL" lol.
That's "annoying" to me as a hockey fan
That's a 2 way street with lots of fans of every team in the OHL.
Check out other teams board after a W or L , esp in a finals. It's just that most teams don't have 19 other teams hoping for them to fail. Again that's a badge of honour here in London for the people I know as fans, involved with the team.
I could say if LK gets an adv in PIMs n wins a game watch the other 19 teams fans whine.
Your agenda seems to have flipped from wanting to discuss hockey to lumping Knights fans on their board all in the same pot as you say...annoying. Why keep posting here, just to call out LK fans as a whole?

I never use the refs as an excuse but for any1 to say it was even up, or Shwa also suffered s much, didn't see the game without bias. They did not afford the same curtesy to players n coaches on each side. AINEC. It'll even out over the series, or won't, so no biggie and won't be an excuse here.

 

[Otto]

Your agenda seems to have flipped from wanting to discuss hockey to lumping Knights fans on their board all in the same pot as you say...annoying. Why keep posting here, just to call out LK fans as a whole?

I'm starting to think the issue on the other platforms isn't the Knights fans either. Seems to be a common denominator here.

 

[Altek]

Did I think the game was called down the middle, no it was not the calls on this night did go Oshawa's way. That happens in hockey some nights and I am pretty sure there will be another game in this series where London will get the calls. But do i think the calls were outragously missed on Oshawa No i do not. I question some calls that went against London that I wouldnt necessarly call and there was 1 trip on Danford that could have been called. But remember I was not there in person and I was limted to only see what TSN showed on the screen. So anything that was behind the play or away from the puck I most likely would not have seen.

I have said this before and I will say it again, it was just one game you guys may still win it all just relax and move on to game two. Nothing can be done complaining about reffing for 20 hours after the game it wont change anything.

Just Breath.

 

[Otto]

Did I think the game was called down the middle, no it was not the calls on this night did go Oshawa's way. That happens in hockey some nights and I am pretty sure there will be another game in this series where London will get the calls. But do i think the calls were outragously missed on Oshawa No i do not. I question some calls that went against London that I wouldnt necessarly call and there was 1 trip on Danford that could have been called. But remember I was not there in person and I was limted to only see what TSN showed on the screen. So anything that was behind the play or away from the puck I most likely would not have seen.

I have said this before and I will say it again, it was just one game you guys may still win it all just relax and move on to game two. Nothing can be done complaining about reffing for 20 hours after the game it wont change anything.

Just Breath.

Then stop posting about it. And stop exaggerating what Knights fans are saying. Problem solved