London Knights 2024 - 25 Season Thread, Part VII

[rve24]

Do I think there is a league conspiracy against LK...nope.
Do I think people can be influenced by bias in decision making.....sure across all aspects of life.
I'm not going to complain about the stripes and I hope no one at practice today would even bring it up, esp coaches.
Control what ya can, play thru the rest is all ya can really do.
Shwa won, kudos.
Saturday will be another chapter.

 

[shootscore115]

Oshawa Generals fans show London Knights and their fans nothing but respect acknowledging they have a good team. All we ask is for the same respect and reading fans on here say “Oshawa” isn’t that good is disappointing. Like we didn’t split the series vs London in regular season and you guys beat us in OT. And the only reason we won Game 1 is because of the refs. Both teams are good and think either team is willing deserving and capable of wining the championship. I want Oshawa to win but I’d London wins it’s because they played better over the series and was well deserved. But just feels like some Knights fans think that Oshawa does not belong on the same ice as London and if we win it’s clearly because it is rigged and no way our boys couldn’t play hard and beat your team on their own.

I would not say Oshawa did not deserve to be on the ice with a very talented London team. What I would say is, at the beginning of the year I told people I know including my Kitchener fans that the only 2 teams that should be in the final were London from the west and Oshawa or maybe Brampton from the east. Oshawa has probably the best all-star power play in the league. The players they picked up were brilliant. If you are London, the last thing you want is to kill a penalty. Their powerplay doesn't need any help from the refs. That makes our pk players over used and a lot of players did not get ice time. London has a better team (depth). Oshawa has the best line (lack of depth)

 

[Fastpace]

It’s not so much the penalties that were called. It’s the fact that only one team gets called. It happened off the hop on Oshawa’s first powerplay. Clear take down of O’Reilly was ignored. Of course, we can’t talk about that here. If Montgomery does it, hand in the air (green shirt).

They made it so obvious, didn't they?

 

[leafs4life94]

Because of the way he fell I can kinda understand how some thought there was embellishment on the Montgomery trip but he was mid stride, and when his left leg came off the ice he stepped on Montgomery's stick and his legs went out from under him.

IMO the ref tilt leaned Oshawa's way last night based on calls/missed calls - but that one they got right.

 

[shootscore115]

Lastly on Cowans penalty shot I have been saying I think teams should get a 2 minute power play over a pentaly shot because it today’s game with shoot out goalies have advantage on a pentaly shot and I think you have better odds to score on a power play. Also it is the only time that a player causes a pentaly but does not have to serve time in the box. In this situation instead of calling the pentaly shot Danford gets 2 min for tripping and London is on the PP. Or another idea I had to not eliminate penalty shots out of the game all together is to let the team have the pentaly shot if they score no pentaly and if they don’t score the player gets a 2 minute minor. Almost treating the penalty shot as a delayed penalty

I thought of this idea a couple of years ago. I don't think it has wheels but it is interesting to see someone else thought the same as me. Cool

 

[TheOrangePylon]

Dive by Senneke on the Wooley "roughing" penalty

Sennecke will be in the running for an Oscar after last night.

Watching that play live, I was confused as to how Wolley got a roughing penalty, on the replay I am still confused. Sennecke fell trying to shoot the puck, then when he fell Wolley got tangled up and fell with him, then they both went into the boards because of said fall .... didn't see anything egregious from Wolley after the fact.

 

[Altek]

Sennecke will be in the running for an Oscar after last night.

Watching that play live, I was confused as to how Wolley got a roughing penalty, on the replay I am still confused. Sennecke fell trying to shoot the puck, then when he fell Wolley got tangled up and fell with him, then they both went into the boards because of said fall .... didn't see anything egregious from Wolley after the fact.

I do ageee that was a very weak call. TSN guys said was because Wolley push whew his head into the boards at the ends of the play I didn’t really see it even after the replay.

 

[BobHockey]

London outplayed Oshawa 5 on 5 most of the game but they will not win this series if they are constantly on the PK. Too much ice time for our top guys (fatigue) and not allowing our depth players to play enough minutes. This is compounded by the additional TV time outs for the TSN broadcast which allows both teams to cycle in their top two lines much more frequently than in a regular OHL game.

While I thought the refs were definitely a factor in the outcome last night, London did not capitalize on their chances and they had MANY first rate opportunities.

Tighten up the discipline, get some traffic in front of Oster, get shots in the net instead of high and wide and they will be fine. The Generals tender outplayed ours last night imo. He needs to be better as well.

 

[tjziel]

Reminder: the Knights won the 1st of the OHL Finals 3-0 and the Pete’s came back to win the Championship.

Let’s hope London has the same path. Need to get more offense going and need to stay out of the box.

 

[EvenSteven]

Dive by Senneke on the Wooley "roughing" penalty

There’s probably no call on that play if not for the punch in the head the end.

 

[dirty12]

It seemed all the calls went the generals way in the eastern conference playoffs last season, and pretty sure Oshawa had more than double the PP opportunities in the series with Barrie this year. Maybe Oshawa players and coaches have more to do with that than the referees do.

 

[EvenSteven]

Truth be told, London had enough opportunity on the PK to win this game last night.

 

[Altek]

I do not understand this narrative that London is a well-disciplined team and that last night's penalty call difference was so out of the ordinary. London had more PIM than Oshawa in the regular season, more PIM than Oshawa in the playoffs (in fewer games played), and more PIM than Oshawa in Game 1. To me, the London Knights are not a well-disciplined team based on these numbers, and this is something they need to be aware of, as well as not having TSN spew this narrative that they are.

 

[EvenSteven]

I do not understand this narrative that London is a well-disciplined team and that last night's penalty call difference was so out of the ordinary. London had more PIM than Oshawa in the regular season, more PIM than Oshawa in the playoffs (in fewer games played), and more PIM than Oshawa in Game 1. To me, the London Knights are not a well-disciplined team based on these numbers, and this is something they need to be aware of, as well as not having TSN spew this narrative that they are.

When DeBoer coached in Kitchener, his mantra was that if your PK is at or near the top of the league, you can afford to ice a rough and tumble team. It allows you to go over the edge without much consequence.

That’s the same thought process in London. Their PK is top end and they also create many scoring chances on the PK as well.

Last night was an example of this. Most other teams would have given up another PP goal or two.

London was a shortie away from a different outcome.

 

[TheOrangePylon]

I do not understand this narrative that London is a well-disciplined team and that last night's penalty call difference was so out of the ordinary. London had more PIM than Oshawa in the regular season, more PIM than Oshawa in the playoffs (in fewer games played), and more PIM than Oshawa in Game 1. To me, the London Knights are not a well-disciplined team based on these numbers, and this is something they need to be aware of, as well as not having TSN spew this narrative that they are.

The Knights are not a disciplined team, they are not afraid to take penalties and are confident in their PK. Last night was just the amount of questionable calls and non-calls, that have people upset.

Both teams were flopping around the ice last night with dives trying to draw penalties and the refs took the bait on several occasions both ways, I would love to put this ref conversation behind us and see both teams go out there and play straight up hockey the rest of the way and may the best team win. No more diving, no more refs being the lead conversation. Just great hockey.

Both teams are deserving finalists and if they stick to playing hockey, we should be in for a great series.

 

[Altek]

That is fine, but to me, that does not sound like a mantra of a "well-disciplined team".

To me, the meaning of a well-disciplined team stays out of the box, but you are saying the teams' strategy is to play closer to that edge because they have a strong PK, which is fine, but I don't think a team that plays this style can also be said they be well-disciplined.

For anyone that watched the game last night on TSN that is all you heard is how well-disciplined the London Knights are and seeing the reaction to the penalty call difference I thought maybe it was out of character but looking at the PIM in regular season and Playoffs I was surprised to see that they have more PIM than Oshawa. The TSN crew never once said that Oshawa was a well-disciplined team.

 

[EvenSteven]

That is fine, but to me, that does not sound like a mantra of a "well-disciplined team".

To me, the meaning of a well-disciplined team stays out of the box, but you are saying the teams' strategy is to play closer to that edge because they have a strong PK which is fin,e but I don't think a team that plays this style can also be said they are well-disiplined.

I never said they were well disciplined.

 

[rangersblues]

Agreed on penalties ( minus the embellishment lol ) but since you watched, did 'Shwa deserve a couple more penalties based on the standard set tor LK?

Yes. But you have to control the part of the game you can. Unfortunately London didn't do that last night. I'm sure that will change Saturday and it will be a different story. Like I said London controlled much of the game at even strength but couldn't sustain momentum because of penalties.

 

[Altek]

I never said they were well disciplined.

I did not say you did, just thats all the TSN crew were saying last night how well-disaplined team the London Knights are. Frankie C at one point even said the Oshawa Generals probably will not see the powerplay 8 more times for the rest of the series stating that London is this team that never goes short-handed.

 

[Billyjack]

Fortunately, I have a life and I don’t waste ~$700 on a season ticket on this gong show of a league anymore. When Dave suspended Mark for a year back in 2000, I’d have bolted back then and told Branch where to go. The CHL will be scrambling (if they aren’t already) when Misa and McKenna bolt for NCAA. And I’m sure London will rally and win this series as Oshawa is not that good, but we’ll see. OHL might have other ideas. Not ideal for Crawford having one team with a Dodgers-esque run over the rest of the league for >20 years. All good things come to an end.

I think you better go back to that life before you give yourself a heart attack. Did you really think Oshawa wouldn't win a game? Perhaps this is Elliot when he meets a really good team. We all hope so!!

 

[TheOrangePylon]

I did not say you did, just thats all the TSN crew were saying last night how well-disaplined team the London Knights are. Frankie C at one point even said the Oshawa Generals probably will not see the powerplay 8 more times for the rest of the series stating that London is this team that never goes short-handed.

I was at the game, so did not hear this talk.
But the TSN obviously have no idea what they are talking about lol. I am obviously a London fan and in no shape or form are they disciplined.

I will say though, I don't know if TSN showed this or not. But Ryder Boulton, Yes Ryder Boulton! Played peace keeper after the buzzer and pushed some of his teammates out of the scrum. So maybe things are changing in TSN's eyes! lol

 

[Otto]

Sorry. I don't consider myself a troll although I'm sure some will disagree. My original post was London was the better team at even strength but couldn't build momentum because of penalties.

Bye

Cya

 

[Buttsy]

I jinxed the boys claiming before puck drop they were one of the most disciplined teams the Knights have ever iced. LOL my bad!
Credit to Oster after last years humiliation (he really struggled) he was very good last night.

GO Knights GO it’s pretty obvious what areas we need to address and I am confident the boys will.

 

[Otto]

We get it Oshawa is better. You guys happy? The series is 1-0. London is on a bad path currently.

In 2012 after sweeping Kitchener, the Knights lost the opener at home to Niagara before winning the next 4. I'm not concerned.

 

[Altek]

Even as a Generals fan, I know this series is far from over and can still go either way. I do expect a close series, and it won't be over until one of the two teams wins four games.