Confirmed with Link: Logan Stanley 2 years 1.25 million

[Bender Duster]

Okay, but, if we get rid of Stan who would we hate on then. It is proven to be cathartic for people to come together and hate on the same thing....

Off the top of my head, hockey related we have:
Gary Galley
Gary Bettman
Ryan Hartman
Kane's track suit
Memories of the chaos giraffe or of Maurice's revolving door of fourth line plugs
Habs fans offering 2nd round picks and plugs for our top players

More broadly:
Mosquitos
Frozen batteries
SK Roughriders (or is is Rough Riders?)
Brussel sprouts

 

[Gm0ney]

Off the top of my head, hockey related we have:
Gary Galley
Gary Bettman
Ryan Hartman
Kane's track suit
Memories of the chaos giraffe or of Maurice's revolving door of fourth line plugs
Habs fans offering 2nd round picks and plugs for our top players

More broadly:
Mosquitos
Frozen batteries
SK Roughriders (or is is Rough Riders?)
Brussel sprouts

 

[voyageur]

One possible explanation is at that snap shot in time TNSE just didn’t see Kovacevic fitting in at the next level regularly and they played their cards accordingly. Shit happens.

In Kovacevic’s last season in Winnipeg Stanley got 58 games in the NHL while Jonathan got 4. That summer we waved him and Montreal grabbed him and Kovy proceeded to play full time for two seasons. I think since Montreal was in a rebuild some might have discounted this promotion a bit even though he looked pretty comfortable in the NHL. When he got caught in the numbers game in Montreal and they traded him for a 4th, skeptics said “see, all he was worth was a 4th”, however, back in 2020 the Jets traded a 3rd round pick for a similar style but smaller player named Dylan DeMelo.

When Jon went to New Jersey he slotted in effectively to their #4 spot as a 6’5” 220 pound RH defensive defenseman. He has grown into what TNSE were hoping Stan would grow into.

Honestly my give a shit factor on all of this is less than 3 out of 10 but I am happy for Kovacevic. Reminds me of a Chiarot type underdog story and they both broke in at a similar age.

I think the moral of the story is keep your eyes open for value acquisitions. Don’t waist money on rentals when you can buy term on a DeMelo or Dillon for those same assets.

New Jersey's defense is an anomaly from every other team. Their top minute defender is Pesce at 20:53/per game Hamilton is #3 at 19:58, Kovacevic is #4 at 19:51, all on the right side. Siegenthaler is #2 at 19:59, also a waiver pickup. Luke Hughes a 1st round pick, averages 19:42. Brendon Dillon is #6 defense on the Devils for ice time at 18:06. Hamilton is the #1 PP QB so that's where his ice time comes in. Kovacevic is #1 in PK time and that is where he gets his minutes.

But at the start of the season I don't think any hockey people would have predicted that Dillon was leaving a contending team as a top 4 d-man to be a #6 and that Kovacevic would get more even strength time than Hamilton. It's circumstance and success that led to that, and you look at a guy like Casey coming up the ranks for the Devils, it's possible now that they keep Kovacevic in his role and part ways with Hamilton. Is Kovacevic a better defenseman than Dougie Hamilton? I wonder if anyone believes that. Maybe more effective, with the players around him?

He was always on the radar as a good PKer and I think that Samberg-Kovacevic had some potential to move up the ranks here. There was a good discussion about that back in the day. Maybe that would have had an impact on Pionk, releasing him from that role. Maybe could have become the shutdown pairing. There is a touch of irony here that you and I had him higher on the Jets prospects rankings than most of the posters on here.

I always find it fascinating that Kovacevic gets so much attention, but Pionk's good season largely flies under the radar. Same role. Shutdown. At almost 3 more minutes a night. And with his d-partner healthy probably same rate of success, with more points. Both in their UFA seasons.

And the Jets have got good minutes from MIller (trade of 4th round pick/UFA) contribution from Fleury (UFA), Coghlan (futures) and Heinola (draft) on their depth chart this year.

But Stanley is the focal point.

 

[Crocket]

We'd have an all time AHL all star team with the guys we've waived.

 

[Moloch]

Maybe? I think since we have him now, and he's not going anywhere - it will be interesting to see how the rest of this season shakes out. I think he's playing well enough to be a competent 6-7, which is where I put most of our bottom 5 guys who are rotating in the 5-6 spots.

For me, the concern is if we ever get healthy some decisions need to be made and of the 5 I don't see one guy who is heads and tails above, or has played themselves out of the equation.

Heinola had his best game in a very long while last night, Coghlan has been nothing but impressive in his limited time.

The guy who impresses me the least is Miller - though its not by a lot. I have them ranked:

Fleury
Stanley
Coghlan
Heinola
Miller

Coghlan and Heinola both get a bullet as I see them rising. Heinola in play, and Coghlan in showing consistency when he gets to play.

I think it would be a mistake to waive Coghlan again if we need to make a roster move as I don't think he will clear again. He seems to have the chops to play the offensive D role if heaven forbid Jomo or Pionk are out for any significant time.

How on earth do you have Miller at the bottom here

 

[ps241]

New Jersey's defense is an anomaly from every other team. Their top minute defender is Pesce at 20:53/per game Hamilton is #3 at 19:58, Kovacevic is #4 at 19:51, all on the right side. Siegenthaler is #2 at 19:59, also a waiver pickup. Luke Hughes a 1st round pick, averages 19:42. Brendon Dillon is #6 defense on the Devils for ice time at 18:06. Hamilton is the #1 PP QB so that's where his ice time comes in. Kovacevic is #1 in PK time and that is where he gets his minutes.

But at the start of the season I don't think any hockey people would have predicted that Dillon was leaving a contending team as a top 4 d-man to be a #6 and that Kovacevic would get more even strength time than Hamilton. It's circumstance and success that led to that, and you look at a guy like Casey coming up the ranks for the Devils, it's possible now that they keep Kovacevic in his role and part ways with Hamilton. Is Kovacevic a better defenseman than Dougie Hamilton? I wonder if anyone believes that. Maybe more effective, with the players around him?

He was always on the radar as a good PKer and I think that Samberg-Kovacevic had some potential to move up the ranks here. There was a good discussion about that back in the day. Maybe that would have had an impact on Pionk, releasing him from that role. Maybe could have become the shutdown pairing. There is a touch of irony here that you and I had him higher on the Jets prospects rankings than most of the posters on here.

I always find it fascinating that Kovacevic gets so much attention, but Pionk's good season largely flies under the radar. Same role. Shutdown. At almost 3 more minutes a night. And with his d-partner healthy probably same rate of success, with more points. Both in their UFA seasons.

And the Jets have got good minutes from MIller (trade of 4th round pick/UFA) contribution from Fleury (UFA), Coghlan (futures) and Heinola (draft) on their depth chart this year.

But Stanley is the focal point.

Jersey is overflowing with quality D depth. They have 6 guys that are all top 4 level players. Pretty amazing top 6 really and where do they eventually slot in Simon Nemec (RH) who was drafted 2OA in 2022? I haven’t really been following his progression.

I wonder if Kovacevic might not have been DeMelo’s replacement here at some point? Similar role but the top pairing gets an injection of size. DeMelo has been good in his role and TNSE are conservative so who knows. I think Samberg brings the best out of Pionk and our D does needs to generate scoring and Neil is our second best offensive producer so that pair makes sense to me. Neil runs hot and cold season to season so what we really need is Salomonsson to become the Samberg of the right side. By that I mean become so good that it results in everyone slotting down one eventually (fingers crossed).

I don’t mind Miller on our bottom pair currently. What we really need is Fluery to get healthy and take over those PK2 minutes for left shot behind Samberg. That has been a weakness for us.

 

[Jet]

How on earth do you have Miller at the bottom here

Because I'm not part of the mind hive? I'm not saying because I am a defenseman and have played 40+ years my opinion should be valued more than others, but I do watch everything the D do with particular interest, and since the Stan hate gang really started rallying the troops I've been watching him and his bottom 5 peers with a keener eye to try to figure out where these guys slot in in my mind.

I don't mind Miller but I don't particularly love his passing or exits - he has zero offensive ability, and he doesn't seem particularly composed with the puck.

I think he's fine as a 7 but that's it.

To be fair, any of our current bottom 5 guys are probably close to even when you add up their positives and subtract their negatives. The only one that might be a bit above them is Fleury, who has an all round solid game, and has good speed and ability to carry the puck out of the zone and through the neutral zone (though he isn't particularily good at offensive blueline work and getting quality shots through.

Stanley:

• Positives: Strong exit passes, composure in his zone, good offensive shot selection, some offensive prowess.
• Negatives: Doesn't use his size as well as he could (winning board battles, net front box out, hit timing). Is below average in agility, particularly when pivoting. Seems to struggle with timing on the rush (when to turn).

Heinola:

• Positives: Shows flashes of offensive prowess (agility, stickhandling). Solid exit passes, with the odd great spring pass.
• Negatives: Panics with the puck under pressure, loses most board battles, ineffective net front, not a lot generated from the point (yet).

Coghlan:

• Positives: Good speed and offensive instincts, shows ability to skate the puck out of the zone. Decent decision making with the puck in our zone (usually).
• Negatives: Not great at breaking pressure in our zone, not particularly strong.

Miller:

• Positives: Usually pretty reliable, keeps things simple, has a cannon, is a RD.
• Negatives: Doesn't use his shot enough, gets the yips in our zone, isn't offensively capable.

 

[John Agar]

New Jersey's defense is an anomaly from every other team. Their top minute defender is Pesce at 20:53/per game Hamilton is #3 at 19:58, Kovacevic is #4 at 19:51, all on the right side. Siegenthaler is #2 at 19:59, also a waiver pickup. Luke Hughes a 1st round pick, averages 19:42. Brendon Dillon is #6 defense on the Devils for ice time at 18:06. Hamilton is the #1 PP QB so that's where his ice time comes in. Kovacevic is #1 in PK time and that is where he gets his minutes.

But at the start of the season I don't think any hockey people would have predicted that Dillon was leaving a contending team as a top 4 d-man to be a #6 and that Kovacevic would get more even strength time than Hamilton. It's circumstance and success that led to that, and you look at a guy like Casey coming up the ranks for the Devils, it's possible now that they keep Kovacevic in his role and part ways with Hamilton. Is Kovacevic a better defenseman than Dougie Hamilton? I wonder if anyone believes that. Maybe more effective, with the players around him?

He was always on the radar as a good PKer and I think that Samberg-Kovacevic had some potential to move up the ranks here. There was a good discussion about that back in the day. Maybe that would have had an impact on Pionk, releasing him from that role. Maybe could have become the shutdown pairing. There is a touch of irony here that you and I had him higher on the Jets prospects rankings than most of the posters on here.

I always find it fascinating that Kovacevic gets so much attention, but Pionk's good season largely flies under the radar. Same role. Shutdown. At almost 3 more minutes a night. And with his d-partner healthy probably same rate of success, with more points. Both in their UFA seasons.

And the Jets have got good minutes from MIller (trade of 4th round pick/UFA) contribution from Fleury (UFA), Coghlan (futures) and Heinola (draft) on their depth chart this year.

But Stanley is the focal point.

Stanley needs his own prime time Soap Opera...

It would be much watched and talked about in Winnipeg that's for sure...

Possible names for this Soap Opera...?

The Tall and The Stress Test...

As the Massive Pylon Pivots...

WINNIPEG...

All My Excuses...

Guiding Light to the Penalty Box...

More... ?

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Because I'm not part of the mind hive? I'm not saying because I am a defenseman and have played 40+ years my opinion should be valued more than others, but I do watch everything the D do with particular interest, and since the Stan hate gang really started rallying the troops I've been watching him and his bottom 5 peers with a keener eye to try to figure out where these guys slot in in my mind.

I don't mind Miller but I don't particularly love his passing or exits - he has zero offensive ability, and he doesn't seem particularly composed with the puck.

I think he's fine as a 7 but that's it.

To be fair, any of our current bottom 5 guys are probably close to even when you add up their positives and subtract their negatives. The only one that might be a bit above them is Fleury, who has an all round solid game, and has good speed and ability to carry the puck out of the zone and through the neutral zone (though he isn't particularily good at offensive blueline work and getting quality shots through.

Stanley:

• Positives: Strong exit passes, composure in his zone, good offensive shot selection, some offensive prowess.
• Negatives: Doesn't use his size as well as he could (winning board battles, net front box out, hit timing). Is below average in agility, particularly when pivoting. Seems to struggle with timing on the rush (when to turn).

Heinola:

• Positives: Shows flashes of offensive prowess (agility, stickhandling). Solid exit passes, with the odd great spring pass.
• Negatives: Panics with the puck under pressure, loses most board battles, ineffective net front, not a lot generated from the point (yet).

Coghlan:

• Positives: Good speed and offensive instincts, shows ability to skate the puck out of the zone. Decent decision making with the puck in our zone (usually).
• Negatives: Not great at breaking pressure in our zone, not particularly strong.

Miller:

• Positives: Usually pretty reliable, keeps things simple, has a cannon, is a RD.
• Negatives: Doesn't use his shot enough, gets the yips in our zone, isn't offensively capable.

The old posts on the Winnipeg Jets Defence thread seem to indicate youve been pumping stans tires since 2021...

 

[Flair Hay]

New Jersey's defense is an anomaly from every other team. Their top minute defender is Pesce at 20:53/per game Hamilton is #3 at 19:58, Kovacevic is #4 at 19:51, all on the right side. Siegenthaler is #2 at 19:59, also a waiver pickup. Luke Hughes a 1st round pick, averages 19:42. Brendon Dillon is #6 defense on the Devils for ice time at 18:06. Hamilton is the #1 PP QB so that's where his ice time comes in. Kovacevic is #1 in PK time and that is where he gets his minutes.

But at the start of the season I don't think any hockey people would have predicted that Dillon was leaving a contending team as a top 4 d-man to be a #6 and that Kovacevic would get more even strength time than Hamilton. It's circumstance and success that led to that, and you look at a guy like Casey coming up the ranks for the Devils, it's possible now that they keep Kovacevic in his role and part ways with Hamilton. Is Kovacevic a better defenseman than Dougie Hamilton? I wonder if anyone believes that. Maybe more effective, with the players around him?

He was always on the radar as a good PKer and I think that Samberg-Kovacevic had some potential to move up the ranks here. There was a good discussion about that back in the day. Maybe that would have had an impact on Pionk, releasing him from that role. Maybe could have become the shutdown pairing. There is a touch of irony here that you and I had him higher on the Jets prospects rankings than most of the posters on here.

I always find it fascinating that Kovacevic gets so much attention, but Pionk's good season largely flies under the radar. Same role. Shutdown. At almost 3 more minutes a night. And with his d-partner healthy probably same rate of success, with more points. Both in their UFA seasons.

And the Jets have got good minutes from MIller (trade of 4th round pick/UFA) contribution from Fleury (UFA), Coghlan (futures) and Heinola (draft) on their depth chart this year.

But Stanley is the focal point.

Comparing Kovacevic and Pionk is tough because they are polar opposite roles. Calling Pionk a shutdown role may be accurate, but it doesn't mean he does that part of that top 4 role well at all...

Like when you say "probably same rate of success" does that mean specifically defensively? As long as he is with Samberg? Because that assumption would be wrong.

Pionk Samberg has actually been really really good offensively. Samberg helps so much with suppressing shots that they pair spends more time in the Ozone where Pionk makes a big impact.

IHe is basically a right handed Samberg and there is so much discussion about him because he was here, and then he was not. That he was waived and we kept Capobianco instead of him didn't make sense at that time and made even less sense when they waived Capo anyway the following year.

Samberg and Pionk are playing better than the sum of their parts together so hopefully that success continues.

 

[voyageur]

Comparing Kovacevic and Pionk is tough because they are polar opposite roles. Calling Pionk a shutdown role may be accurate, but it doesn't mean he does that part of that top 4 role well at all...

Like when you say "probably same rate of success" does that mean specifically defensively? As long as he is with Samberg? Because that assumption would be wrong.

Pionk Samberg has actually been really really good offensively. Samberg helps so much with suppressing shots that they pair spends more time in the Ozone where Pionk makes a big impact.

IHe is basically a right handed Samberg and there is so much discussion about him because he was here, and then he was not. That he was waived and we kept Capobianco instead of him didn't make sense at that time and made even less sense when they waived Capo anyway the following year.

Samberg and Pionk are playing better than the sum of their parts together so hopefully that success continues.

I don't think Kovacevic skates anywhere near as well as Samberg. In fact I wouldn't say he skates as well as Pionk either. Pionk's a little different because the real technical skating people on here would say that there is some issues with his backwards skating. But that's part of the reason he didn't make it. His skating was probably better than Stan's but you need a good skater to protect a player like Kovacevic, and since he moved on he's been paired with a few.

Anyways it's Stanley-Heinola tonight. What could go wrong?

 

[Crocket]

Because I'm not part of the mind hive? I'm not saying because I am a defenseman and have played 40+ years my opinion should be valued more than others, but I do watch everything the D do with particular interest, and since the Stan hate gang really started rallying the troops I've been watching him and his bottom 5 peers with a keener eye to try to figure out where these guys slot in in my mind.

I don't mind Miller but I don't particularly love his passing or exits - he has zero offensive ability, and he doesn't seem particularly composed with the puck.

I think he's fine as a 7 but that's it.

To be fair, any of our current bottom 5 guys are probably close to even when you add up their positives and subtract their negatives. The only one that might be a bit above them is Fleury, who has an all round solid game, and has good speed and ability to carry the puck out of the zone and through the neutral zone (though he isn't particularily good at offensive blueline work and getting quality shots through.

Stanley:

• Positives: Strong exit passes, composure in his zone, good offensive shot selection, some offensive prowess.
• Negatives: Doesn't use his size as well as he could (winning board battles, net front box out, hit timing). Is below average in agility, particularly when pivoting. Seems to struggle with timing on the rush (when to turn).

Heinola:

• Positives: Shows flashes of offensive prowess (agility, stickhandling). Solid exit passes, with the odd great spring pass.
• Negatives: Panics with the puck under pressure, loses most board battles, ineffective net front, not a lot generated from the point (yet).

Coghlan:

• Positives: Good speed and offensive instincts, shows ability to skate the puck out of the zone. Decent decision making with the puck in our zone (usually).
• Negatives: Not great at breaking pressure in our zone, not particularly strong.

Miller:

• Positives: Usually pretty reliable, keeps things simple, has a cannon, is a RD.
• Negatives: Doesn't use his shot enough, gets the yips in our zone, isn't offensively capable.

The only positive for Stan is that he does shoot when given the chance. He's awful in the D zone.
With Samberg back as a big body, way better to bet on Heinola and Fluery on the left as they are far more skilled.

I don't think Kovacevic skates anywhere near as well as Samberg. In fact I wouldn't say he skates as well as Pionk either. Pionk's a little different because the real technical skating people on here would say that there is some issues with his backwards skating. But that's part of the reason he didn't make it. His skating was probably better than Stan's but you need a good skater to protect a player like Kovacevic, and since he moved on he's been paired with a few.

Anyways it's Stanley-Heinola tonight. What could go wrong?

Ville played fantastic his last game. Stan is really struggling, and has for years.

 

[Jet]

The only positive for Stan is that he does shoot when given the chance. He's awful in the D zone.
With Samberg back as a big body, way better to bet on Heinola and Fluery on the left as they are far more skilled.

Ville played fantastic his last game. Stan is really struggling, and has for years.

Interesting that when I make an argument for Stanley, I give specific examples based on what I'm watching, and when you criticize him it's some vague statement.

 

[Flair Hay]

Interesting that when I make an argument for Stanley, I give specific examples based on what I'm watching, and when you criticize him it's some vague statement.

There has been some data shared here that Stanley is not solid with his zone exits at all. He has actually been the worst on the team by a noticeable margin. I didn't want to pick a bone with a pretty good post overall. But that's one thing I noticed. Miller is fine with zone exits, nothing special. Stan has been successful at about half the rate of the rest of the Jets defense.

 

[BoneDocUK]

Because I'm not part of the mind hive? I'm not saying because I am a defenseman and have played 40+ years my opinion should be valued more than others, but I do watch everything the D do with particular interest, and since the Stan hate gang really started rallying the troops I've been watching him and his bottom 5 peers with a keener eye to try to figure out where these guys slot in in my mind.

I don't mind Miller but I don't particularly love his passing or exits - he has zero offensive ability, and he doesn't seem particularly composed with the puck.

I think he's fine as a 7 but that's it.

To be fair, any of our current bottom 5 guys are probably close to even when you add up their positives and subtract their negatives. The only one that might be a bit above them is Fleury, who has an all round solid game, and has good speed and ability to carry the puck out of the zone and through the neutral zone (though he isn't particularily good at offensive blueline work and getting quality shots through.

Stanley:

• Positives: Strong exit passes, composure in his zone, good offensive shot selection, some offensive prowess.
• Negatives: Doesn't use his size as well as he could (winning board battles, net front box out, hit timing). Is below average in agility, particularly when pivoting. Seems to struggle with timing on the rush (when to turn).

Heinola:

• Positives: Shows flashes of offensive prowess (agility, stickhandling). Solid exit passes, with the odd great spring pass.
• Negatives: Panics with the puck under pressure, loses most board battles, ineffective net front, not a lot generated from the point (yet).

Coghlan:

• Positives: Good speed and offensive instincts, shows ability to skate the puck out of the zone. Decent decision making with the puck in our zone (usually).
• Negatives: Not great at breaking pressure in our zone, not particularly strong.

Miller:

• Positives: Usually pretty reliable, keeps things simple, has a cannon, is a RD.
• Negatives: Doesn't use his shot enough, gets the yips in our zone, isn't offensively capable.

There has been some data shared here that Stanley is not solid with his zone exits at all. He has actually been the worst on the team by a noticeable margin. I didn't want to pick a bone with a pretty good post overall. But that's one thing I noticed. Miller is fine with zone exits, nothing special. Stan has been successful at about half the rate of the rest of the Jets defense.

Yep.

Appreciated the careful and detailed analysis in @Jet’s post above, but not sure I’d have “composure in his own zone” as a notable strength of Stan.

Coughlan is interesting to me. AHL all-star and up there with the points leaders, would be nice to see him given a bit of rope and add some offence.

 

[Jet]

There has been some data shared here that Stanley is not solid with his zone exits at all. He has actually been the worst on the team by a noticeable margin. I didn't want to pick a bone with a pretty good post overall. But that's one thing I noticed. Miller is fine with zone exits, nothing special. Stan has been successful at about half the rate of the rest of the Jets defense.

Yep.

Appreciated the careful and detailed analysis in @Jet’s post above, but not sure I’d have “composure in his own zone” as a notable strength of Stan.

Coughlan is interesting to me. AHL all-star and up there with the points leaders, would be nice to see him given a bit of rope and add some offence.

I'm really not sure what is going on there - whether it be situational or something polluting the data.

Stan does seem to struggle when he's swarmed (he wouldn't be the only one), but I think when he has a bit of time he makes really smart reads and good exit decisions.

If I had the time and energy I'd dissect an entire game and isolate every instance of Stanley being involved with a play - and look at the outcomes. It would be interesting to get some of that put together along with a comparative analysis of some of our other bottom 5 guys.

If I had the skillz I'd figure out how to make AI do this to save time (just the editing, not the dissemination)

I'm not immune to bias - I do try to be as objective as possible.

 

[voyageur]

There has been some data shared here that Stanley is not solid with his zone exits at all. He has actually been the worst on the team by a noticeable margin. I didn't want to pick a bone with a pretty good post overall. But that's one thing I noticed. Miller is fine with zone exits, nothing special. Stan has been successful at about half the rate of the rest of the Jets defense.

I think the stats you referred to had a table with controlled exits being his lowest standard, but uncontrolled exits being higher. Chaos defense. Stanley can win a puck battle on the boards if he uses body position, that's a strength he has over any of our d except maybe Samberg who is physical enough and a good enough skater to create some separation. Pionk' wins his fair share of these too.

I'd like to see those stats again, with some other ones, because passing into the neutral zone is something that is key to the Jets attack mentality.

 

[AtomicJets]

Yep.

Appreciated the careful and detailed analysis in @Jet’s post above, but not sure I’d have “composure in his own zone” as a notable strength of Stan.

Coughlan is interesting to me. AHL all-star and up there with the points leaders, would be nice to see him given a bit of rope and add some offence.

Yeah Coghlan's got a cannon and led the AHL in goals by a defenceman. I think he's got some serious offensive chops and he's okay defensively. I'd personally like to see us lean on him more than Miller. Give him a serious run of games and see what he's got.

Sadly we're about to have an issue with 9 healthy defencemen.

 

[Buffdog]

There has been some data shared here that Stanley is not solid with his zone exits at all. He has actually been the worst on the team by a noticeable margin. I didn't want to pick a bone with a pretty good post overall. But that's one thing I noticed. Miller is fine with zone exits, nothing special. Stan has been successful at about half the rate of the rest of the Jets defense.

I've pointed out the potential pitfalls with that zone exit data that's been posted here. I'd need to see it from an unbiased third party since it doesn't match my eye test at all

 

[Gm0ney]

Yep.

Appreciated the careful and detailed analysis in @Jet’s post above, but not sure I’d have “composure in his own zone” as a notable strength of Stan.

Coughlan is interesting to me. AHL all-star and up there with the points leaders, would be nice to see him given a bit of rope and add some offence.

My composure when Stan's defending in his own zone isn't great, at least...

Heinola-Coughlan were pretty good together and seemed to be working well. We've seen Stanley-Heinola and it hasn't been very good.

	TOI	CF%	FF%	SF%	GF%(+/-)	xGF%	SCF%	HDCF%
Stanola	65:35	40.00	46.74	40.68	66.67 (+1)	49.30	46.30	39.13
Heinola w/o Stan	123:22	54.05	52.50	50.51	85.71 (+5)	51.61	50.49	51.02
Stan w/o Heinola	360:03	46.08	46.51	45.03	57.89 (+3)	47.32	46.98	46.67

Why go back to Stanley-Heinola when it's been crap? Heinola's not very good on his off side and that puts additional defensive pressure on Stanley, which is the last thing he needs...the whole thing's a disaster.

At least with other Stanley-X or X-Heinola pairings you have someone who can theoretically hold their own in the D-zone.

 

[voyageur]

My composure when Stan's defending in his own zone isn't great, at least...

Heinola-Coughlan were pretty good together and seemed to be working well. We've seen Stanley-Heinola and it hasn't been very good.

	TOI	CF%	FF%	SF%	GF%(+/-)	xGF%	SCF%	HDCF%
Stanola	65:35	40.00	46.74	40.68	66.67 (+1)	49.30	46.30	39.13
Heinola w/o Stan	123:22	54.05	52.50	50.51	85.71 (+5)	51.61	50.49	51.02
Stan w/o Heinola	360:03	46.08	46.51	45.03	57.89 (+3)	47.32	46.98	46.67

Why go back to Stanley-Heinola when it's been crap? Heinola's not very good on his off side and that puts additional defensive pressure on Stanley, which is the last thing he needs...the whole thing's a disaster.

At least with other Stanley-X or X-Heinola pairings you have someone who can theoretically hold their own in the D-zone.

Too many stats too soon. The Heinola-Coghlan pairing feasted on a bottom feeding team, Nashville. Stanola have the Vegas game on their resume.

I look at the QoC Arniel is deploying Heinola against, and Leafs/Wild were teams he trusted him against, the grinders not so much. Vancouver can play a grind, but thery aren't a high pressure team, so for Ville it's a good measuring stick. If either have a bad game we will know by the PGT.