Prospect Info: Logan Mailloux Part 3 The Only Hockey Talk Thread

[ChesterNimitz]

He's getting written off because he's going to be 22 next week, he's only got 1 year of waiver exemption left, and it looks like Reinbacher is passing over him.

Nothing really justified, but if we need trading ammo, he seems to be the one stuck in the middle and out for it.

Mailloux has shown no ability to evade forechecking pressure at the AHL level. He would be easily exploited and abused at the NHL level. It would be hard to watch.

Regrettably, Mailloux, at least as a defenceman, has little market value.

 

[vokiel]

Mailloux has shown no ability to evade forechecking pressure at the AHL level. He would be easily exploited and abused at the NHL level. It would be hard to watch.

Regrettably, Mailloux, at least as a defenceman, has little market value.

Well aware of it, but also I'm well aware that amateur scouts in Anaheim seem to have a very different way of evaluating value for prospects than I would expect.

Maybe they have a coach who can fix Logan and we don't.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Well aware of it, but also I'm well aware that amateur scouts in Anaheim seem to have a very different way of evaluating value for prospects than I would expect.

Maybe they have a coach who can fix Logan and we don't.

Not the most intuitive approach to asset management: hoping the other side is less informed than you.

There are few here who have been higher on Mailloux over the years than this writer. But one has to be realistic in one’s assessment and in Mailloux’s case it has become apparent, if not obvious, that he lacks the quickness/acceleration to be an effective NHL level defenceman.

I’ve watched almost every game that Mailloux has played since leaving the OHL and can count the number of times I’ve seen him successfully evade forecheck pressure using his skating on the fingers of one hand.

The kid just doesn’t have it. At least as a defenceman.

 

[vokiel]

Not the most intuitive approach to asset management: hoping the other side is less informed than you.

There are few who have been higher on Mailloux over the years than this writer. But one has to be realistic in one’s assessment and in Mailloux’s case it has become apparent, if not obvious, that he lacks the quickness/acceleration to be an effective NHL level defenceman.

I’ve watched almost every game that Mailloux has played since leaving the OHL and can count the number of times I’ve seen him successfully evade forecheck pressure using his skating on the fingers of one hand.

The kid just doesn’t have it. At least as a defenceman.

There's got to be multiple ways of approaching the issue, not simply give up on his skating. Slower and worst skaters than him have had entire seasons on defense in this league, playing for the Habs also.

If he's not traded this summer or at the draft, which I think is probable, we'll have to figure it out next season with him.

 

[Rapala]

There's got to be multiple ways of approaching the issue, not simply give up on his skating. Slower and worst skaters than him have had entire seasons on defense in this league, playing for the Habs also.

If he's not traded this summer or at the draft, which I think is probable, we'll have to figure it out next season with him.

It depends on how you look at it. I never thought Mailloux's biggest hindrance would be his skating but his processor.
The latter only exascerbates the problems he has with his foot work. He'd be fine with a High End processor.

 

[vokiel]

It depends on how you look at it. I never thought Mailloux's biggest hindrance would be his skating but his processor.
The latter only exascerbates the problems he has with his foot work. He'd be fine with a High End processor.

Which can come with experience, hence why I think folks still believe he can be traded and not just waived after giving up. If in 2 seasons from now that's what happens, I think he can still work towards an NHL position with figuring out how to work around his issues.

The only certitude I have is he can't "Play his own game", that will just hurt him as much as it did for Barron.

 

[Wats]

Can't see how a team won't be interested just based on tools. Basically our best trade asset along with the 1st round picks and Mesar. Hopefully Hughes can do some magic.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Which can come with experience, hence why I think folks still believe he can be traded and not just waived after giving up. If in 2 seasons from now that's what happens, I think he can still work towards an NHL position with figuring out how to work around his issues.

The only certitude I have is he can't "Play his own game", that will just hurt him as much as it did for Barron.

Regrettably, the ultimate recovery/ return for Mailloux will again prove the old adage that it is far better to trade a player one year too early than one year too late. The time to have traded Mailloux was at the end of last year. Today, he has marginal value.

It's interesting to see how the fans' perception of Mailloux has been eroded so dramatically. Last year, many were penciling Mailloux in as an almost certain top pairing defenceman on the Canadiens. Today, Mailloux is an afterthought.

 

[Tyson]

Regrettably, the ultimate recovery/ return for Mailloux will again prove the old adage that it is far better to trade a player one year too early than one year too late. The time to have traded Mailloux was at the end of last year. Today, he has marginal value.

It's interesting to see how the fans' perception of Mailloux has been eroded so dramatically. Last year, many were penciling Mailloux in as an almost certain top pairing defenceman on the Canadiens. Today, Mailloux is an afterthought.

Yeah I am one of those who has come to terms that he is probably on borrowed time in Montreal, probably a throw in for acquiring a needed forward.

 

[schwang26]

Not the most intuitive approach to asset management: hoping the other side is less informed than you.

There are few here who have been higher on Mailloux over the years than this writer. But one has to be realistic in one’s assessment and in Mailloux’s case it has become apparent, if not obvious, that he lacks the quickness/acceleration to be an effective NHL level defenceman.

I’ve watched almost every game that Mailloux has played since leaving the OHL and can count the number of times I’ve seen him successfully evade forecheck pressure using his skating on the fingers of one hand.

The kid just doesn’t have it. At least as a defenceman.

I completely agree. That could be improved upon though. It’s really up to him.

 

[vokiel]

Regrettably, the ultimate recovery/ return for Mailloux will again prove the old adage that it is far better to trade a player one year too early than one year too late. The time to have traded Mailloux was at the end of last year. Today, he has marginal value.

It's interesting to see how the fans' perception of Mailloux has been eroded so dramatically. Last year, many were penciling Mailloux in as an almost certain top pairing defenceman on the Canadiens. Today, Mailloux is an afterthought.

I'm thinking of the GM who was able to convert Barron into Carrier. Barron wasn't worth much either, but we were able to find someone to play top 4 minutes this season, probably less next season, but still an addition with some impact. So maybe we can find a stop-gap C for Mailloux with the same amount of marginal value?

He's no more than a project for another GM. Same as with Barron.

 

[schwang26]

Regrettably, the ultimate recovery/ return for Mailloux will again prove the old adage that it is far better to trade a player one year too early than one year too late. The time to have traded Mailloux was at the end of last year. Today, he has marginal value.

It's interesting to see how the fans' perception of Mailloux has been eroded so dramatically. Last year, many were penciling Mailloux in as an almost certain top pairing defenceman on the Canadiens. Today, Mailloux is an afterthought.

I remember after a couple big games in Laval, people were already saying he should be called up. Then he came back down to earth.

It almost never happens, but he might make a better winger than a defenceman. I’ve seen almost every Laval game and he’s just not as fast as I thought he was. His decision is slow as well.

 

[Miller Time]

So quick to elevate, or bury, these young athletes...

Mailloux is 21, 6'3 215lbs and a strong skater... He has produced at over .5ppg in his pro career at both AHL & NHL level. Whatever warts in his game, it's far too early to pigeonhole his ceiling.

Wether we keep developing him or leverage him in trade, he's a high value asset.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Vincent mentioned how they know he's got offensive tools but if he wants to play in the NHL. The other parts of his game have to improve. He's intentionally working on the defensive and physical elements of his game and Vincent seemed genuinely pleased.

Things for him aren't as dire as people are making it out to be. If it takes him another AHL year to put it all together that would not be uncommon.

 

[Scriptor]

I also think that giving up on Mailloux this early is ridiculous and reeks of some particular penchant against him from the start.

I haven't had the chance to watch every AHL game or all of the games Mailloux has played as a pro, as suggested by some posters, but the handful of games I saw Mailloux play as a Rocket were not games where he looked clueless or useless.

Almost every one of those few games, he stood out as one of the better Laval players, even when he didn't score or get on the scoreboard.

I have no reason to expect that he can't be at least a 3rd pairing RHD at the NHL level and hold his own in that role.

It mightn't be with Montreal, though.

 

[ahmedou]

Mailloux's birthday today

Mailloux is 22 years old today

 

[Tyson]

Mailloux's birthday today

Mailloux is 22 years old today

He will need to make his place soon